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Mating as a group activity instead of a pair bonding one?

Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:27 pm

There is drama over infidelity that gets caught.

There is drama over infidelity that is suspected; rightly or wrongly; but never caught.

Beyond infidelity concerns, there is drama over those who feel left out of sex and dating altogether. Mostly men / boys (more of them claim than women / girls to identify as single, suggesting either polyamory or respondent dishonesty) but not exclusively. Even women have supposedly been rejected, at least from monogamous relationships. I wasn't there, nor have both sides of the story, so I would never claim to know.

But in case it's true, ask yourself this; if there were no expectation of monogamy in the first place, would these women have been just as likely to be rejected from casual sex in that circumstance as from monogamous relationships now? Would that not double as a means of cutting down on drama over infidelity, by giving everyone expectations that are easier to meet?

The average male's sex drive is so intense, so extremely overwhelming against all capacity for rational thought, that in their teen years most boys risk impoverishing themselves for life; much less their female sex partners; by having sex before they could afford children, with nothing to go on but her word of knowing what she would do if she fell pregnant. (Obviously mine is milder, as evidenced by the fact that I am typing this instead of, let's say, watching pornography.) It is absurd to expect them to go from that to having the self-control to spurn the advances of every would-be mistress, unless you think pollution somehow reduces sex drive that much between one's teen years and one's 20s.

As such, with men/boys not having the self-control to uphold monogamy, it's either up to women or a lost cause. And by the aforementioned "more men/boys claim to be single than women/girls" statistic cited earlier, I'm going to go with monogamy being a lost cause.

So why not just drop the facade, and embrace what our evolutionary cousins, the bonobos, did, by making this sort of thing a group activity instead of a pair bonding one? No more drama over infidelity if you never expected exclusivity in the first place. Fewer reasons for anyone of either sex to feel left out, if people have enough variety of partners to not care about any flaws, be they significant flaws or superficial ones. As well, people would be less complacent about the need to wear protection if they did not have the illusion of a monogamous partner. If people were always wearing protection (with the exception of when procreation was intended, of couse), many STDs could be eradicated in just a few generations.
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Postby Nilokeras » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:56 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:The average male's sex drive is so intense, so extremely overwhelming against all capacity for rational thought, that in their teen years most boys risk impoverishing themselves for


It's really difficult to read this and not come to the conclusion that you're suffering from a frothy mixture of self-loathing and misandry, my dude. Doubly so considering two lines down you pat yourself on the back for not being one of the porn addled ape-men.

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:So why not just drop the facade, and embrace what our evolutionary cousins, the bonobos, did, by making this sort of thing a group activity instead of a pair bonding one? No more drama over infidelity if you never expected exclusivity in the first place. Fewer reasons for anyone of either sex to feel left out, if people have enough variety of partners to not care about any flaws, be they significant flaws or superficial ones. As well, people would be less complacent about the need to wear protection if they did not have the illusion of a monogamous partner. If people were always wearing protection (with the exception of when procreation was intended, of couse), many STDs could be eradicated in just a few generations.


You're making the cardinal mistake of assuming a particular cultural tradition (monogamy) is a human universal. Spoiler alert: it's not. Try interrogating why it is that our culture is constructed to center around monogamous, cis-heterosexual sexuality.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:39 pm

You're building a lot from a pretty far-reaching assumption, and how much you do so from it is rather disturbing.
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Postby Countesia » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:41 pm

TL;DR

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:46 pm

Countesia wrote:TL;DR

OP wants to have an orgy

No no no, you have it wrong.

All the men are secretly rape-apes that can't think about anything but 24/7 orgies even if Op can't fully prove it, but he's one of the good ones who doesn't!
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Postby New Anarchisticstan » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:47 pm

................. uh?
Did this guy just use philosophy to explain orgy urges? This is what reading Brave New World does to a man.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:48 pm

The sheer volume of wild, unsupported assumptions about the world you manage to pack into your posts is beyond mind-boggling. My mind is something worse than boggled.
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Postby Dylar » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:50 pm

how many sex-related/incel-related threads are we gonna have this year? So far I think the count's up to 5
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:51 pm

First, men are capable of holding monogamous relationships. Saying all of them are not is plain absurd. Second, no. It should be pair bonding, not a group activity.
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Postby Dylar » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:The sheer volume of wild, unsupported assumptions about the world you manage to pack into your posts is beyond mind-boggling. My mind is something worse than boggled.

Scrabbled?
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Postby Cachard Calia » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:01 pm

I propose we just all butt the hell out of everyone's sex life. Don't take that out of context.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:01 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:There is drama over infidelity that gets caught.

There is drama over infidelity that is suspected; rightly or wrongly; but never caught.

Beyond infidelity concerns, there is drama over those who feel left out of sex and dating altogether. Mostly men / boys (more of them claim than women / girls to identify as single, suggesting either polyamory or respondent dishonesty) but not exclusively. Even women have supposedly been rejected, at least from monogamous relationships. I wasn't there, nor have both sides of the story, so I would never claim to know.

But in case it's true, ask yourself this; if there were no expectation of monogamy in the first place, would these women have been just as likely to be rejected from casual sex in that circumstance as from monogamous relationships now? Would that not double as a means of cutting down on drama over infidelity, by giving everyone expectations that are easier to meet?

The average male's sex drive is so intense, so extremely overwhelming against all capacity for rational thought, that in their teen years most boys risk impoverishing themselves for life; much less their female sex partners; by having sex before they could afford children, with nothing to go on but her word of knowing what she would do if she fell pregnant. (Obviously mine is milder, as evidenced by the fact that I am typing this instead of, let's say, watching pornography.) It is absurd to expect them to go from that to having the self-control to spurn the advances of every would-be mistress, unless you think pollution somehow reduces sex drive that much between one's teen years and one's 20s.

As such, with men/boys not having the self-control to uphold monogamy, it's either up to women or a lost cause. And by the aforementioned "more men/boys claim to be single than women/girls" statistic cited earlier, I'm going to go with monogamy being a lost cause.

So why not just drop the facade, and embrace what our evolutionary cousins, the bonobos, did, by making this sort of thing a group activity instead of a pair bonding one? No more drama over infidelity if you never expected exclusivity in the first place. Fewer reasons for anyone of either sex to feel left out, if people have enough variety of partners to not care about any flaws, be they significant flaws or superficial ones. As well, people would be less complacent about the need to wear protection if they did not have the illusion of a monogamous partner. If people were always wearing protection (with the exception of when procreation was intended, of couse), many STDs could be eradicated in just a few generations.

I mean if you want to live like a bonobo why not go all the way and live in the trees and eat termites? Why half-ass it and stop at sex?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:02 pm

Dylar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The sheer volume of wild, unsupported assumptions about the world you manage to pack into your posts is beyond mind-boggling. My mind is something worse than boggled.

Scrabbled?

Maybe, I'm too mind-scrabbled to be sure.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:44 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:(Obviously mine is milder, as evidenced by the fact that I am typing this instead of, let's say, watching pornography.)


You say that, but you post about sex ALL THE TIME.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:54 pm

Dylar wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The sheer volume of wild, unsupported assumptions about the world you manage to pack into your posts is beyond mind-boggling. My mind is something worse than boggled.

Scrabbled?

MInd-burgled?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 pm

Dylar wrote:how many sex-related/incel-related threads are we gonna have this year? So far I think the count's up to 5

Only 5? They must be slippin'.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:11 pm

Seems like an awful lot of scheduling and planning has to be involved.

Who is in charge of snacks?
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:11 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:(Obviously mine is milder, as evidenced by the fact that I am typing this instead of, let's say, watching pornography.)


You say that, but you post about sex ALL THE TIME.

Only because this site shaped my views on the matter in the first place, in 2 steps.

A. The same site on which it was pointed out to me that you’d just as easily have to drop out to pay child support if she said before sex she wouldn’t keep the baby, as if she said she would, was the same site that attributes any views on gender issues one didn’t like to “having difficulties getting laid,” not to “not thinking getting laid is worth the risk.” This was a de facto indirect way of calling the male sex drive powerful enough to make people risk ruining their own lives, even among those who refrain from saying the exact same thing more directly.

B. When I point that out, the people who claim to disagree claim I’m projecting, which discredits the people saying so, and in so doing, validates said narratives about the male sex drive.

I discuss other subjects on other sites all the time. I keep revisiting this one here because it feels like unfinished business.
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Dylar wrote:Scrabbled?

MInd-burgled?

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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:16 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
The Sherpa Empire wrote:
You say that, but you post about sex ALL THE TIME.

Only because this site shaped my views on the matter in the first place, in 2 steps.

A. The same site on which it was pointed out to me that you’d just as easily have to drop out to pay child support if she said before sex she wouldn’t keep the baby, as if she said she would, was the same site that attributes any views on gender issues one didn’t like to “having difficulties getting laid,” not to “not thinking getting laid is worth the risk.” This was a de facto indirect way of calling the male sex drive powerful enough to make people risk ruining their own lives, even among those who refrain from saying the exact same thing more directly.

B. When I point that out, the people who claim to disagree claim I’m projecting, which discredits the people saying so, and in so doing, validates said narratives about the male sex drive.

I discuss other subjects on other sites all the time. I keep revisiting this one here because it feels like unfinished business.


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Postby Celritannia » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:17 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Seems like an awful lot of scheduling and planning has to be involved.

Who is in charge of snacks?


Spreadsheets for spread legs, Excel for sex cell, etc.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:22 pm

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:24 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
The average male's sex drive is so intense, so extremely overwhelming against all capacity for rational thought, that in their teen years most boys risk impoverishing themselves for life;


Our user base consists for a significant part of teenage boys.

I guess that porn, for them, has been replaced by answering issues.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:34 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Seems like an awful lot of scheduling and planning has to be involved.

Who is in charge of snacks?


Spreadsheets for spread legs, Excel for sex cell, etc.

We are going to need a project manager. When is the kick off meeting? What's the job code?
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