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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:23 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:Why can't she be a member of Chad's harem? And why assume he won't treat her equally? (especially given that Chad has higher than average standards for physical attractiveness to sleep with a woman at all, I know because of Chads in my family).
This is especially true if chooses to be a paragon of virtue.
And is even more true if, addition to this, chivalry demands he treat his wives equally rather than exercising favouritism for purely capricious reasons.

So why can’t Janette have a harem? Is sexism chivalrous?

The comments on the locked thread should really have told you how that would turn out in practice, by the way, you yourself called chivalry "sexist", I believe, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve here.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:31 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:So why can’t Janette have a harem? Is sexism chivalrous?

The comments on the locked thread should really have told you how that would turn out in practice, by the way, you yourself called chivalry "sexist", I believe, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve here.

So why would polygyny go better than polyandry?
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:33 am

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The comments on the locked thread should really have told you how that would turn out in practice, by the way, you yourself called chivalry "sexist", I believe, so I don't know what you're trying to achieve here.

So why would polygyny go better than polyandry?

We're discussing chivalry, how polygyny would be more chivalrous than polyandry is:
compare my ideal of love expressed on that thread to the gross comments I was referring to.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:39 pm

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:So why would polygyny go better than polyandry?

We're discussing chivalry, how polygyny would be more chivalrous than polyandry is:
compare my ideal of love expressed on that thread to the gross comments I was referring to.



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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:42 pm

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Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:We're discussing chivalry, how polygyny would be more chivalrous than polyandry is:
compare my ideal of love expressed on that thread to the gross comments I was referring to.



Wow…..that’s a weird tangent……

Don’t worry, I’m referring to Neutraglion’s comments in relation to chivalry, not yours.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:57 pm

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:So why would polygyny go better than polyandry?

We're discussing chivalry, how polygyny would be more chivalrous than polyandry is:
compare my ideal of love expressed on that thread to the gross comments I was referring to.

My man, you compared homosexuality to pedophilia, zoophilia and incest. You don't get to call things gross, especially considering your dumping of your dearest morals. From "I don't talk to 14 year olds about sex" to "yeah, incest lol".
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:14 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:We're discussing chivalry, how polygyny would be more chivalrous than polyandry is:
compare my ideal of love expressed on that thread to the gross comments I was referring to.

My man, you compared homosexuality to pedophilia, zoophilia and incest. You don't get to call things gross, especially considering your dumping of your dearest morals. From "I don't talk to 14 year olds about sex" to "yeah, incest lol".

When did I compare it to paedophilia?
And I knew you knew what incest is from the “is sex outside marriage wrong?” thread.
Besides, I was discussing laws not directly “should people engage in sexual practice x”? and I’m feeling a bit guilty discussing polygyny and polyandry with you TBH.

And if your comment was to come from those closest to me, I’d rather be executed by the state than for them to compare me unfavourably to people saying such things.
I’m sure many homosexuals feel the same way.
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Postby Rightus » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:42 am

I believe it is a good thing. However, I have seen situations where too much of it is more of a flaw than a virtue.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:09 am

I am going to fold this in with the whole of notion noblesse oblige, and call it just another one of many well meaning ideals that fell victim to the stark realities of its day.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:14 am

Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:I am going to fold this in with the whole of notion noblesse oblige, and call it just another one of many well meaning ideals that fell victim to the stark realities of its day.

You know, that German Reichsbürger princeling guy who turned traitor honestly believes noblesse oblige was actually practiced, along with the usual "it was better in the past". All in all pretty hilarious beliefs until he tried to make them reality.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:38 am

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Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:I am going to fold this in with the whole of notion noblesse oblige, and call it just another one of many well meaning ideals that fell victim to the stark realities of its day.

You know, that German Reichsbürger princeling guy who turned traitor honestly believes noblesse oblige was actually practiced, along with the usual "it was better in the past". All in all pretty hilarious beliefs until he tried to make them reality.

High minded ideals are tricky things to make manifest off the page.
Good, bad, right, wrong, you can easily drive yourself crazy, and the people around you in the attempt to live up to them regardless of whether you actually meant to in the first place.
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Postby Heavenly Assault » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:13 am

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Heavenly Assault wrote:Sure, so you're assuming incompetence or ignorance on the part of the woman. So, if you're assisting someone because you feel them incapable, is that really chivalry? If you'd do it for the same reason as an elderly man, is that chivalry? That doesn't seem like "chivalry" to me, just generic altruism motivated by certain factors. What I define as simping is showing extra affection to women and showing extra respect to women. For example, I generally do not hold the door open for either men or women. If I were to do it for women, that would be simping to me.

Yes, holding the door for your grandma is definitely simping.

Is there a reason that you're intentionally misrepresenting me?

Heavenly Assault wrote:Hypothetically, why should I treat a woman that is a stranger to me with extra respect or affection?


Heavenly Assault wrote:For example, I tend to assist disabled people, but that is because I perceive them to be "less capable".


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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:34 am

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Portzania wrote:Yes, holding the door for your grandma is definitely simping.

Is there a reason that you're intentionally misrepresenting me?

Heavenly Assault wrote:Hypothetically, why should I treat a woman that is a stranger to me with extra respect or affection?


Heavenly Assault wrote:For example, I tend to assist disabled people, but that is because I perceive them to be "less capable".


SMFH.

"I am a sexist, and I think women can't open their own doors, and are basically disabled" is not something you want to be known for.
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Postby Saiwana » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:48 am

Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.
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The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Heavenly Assault wrote:Is there a reason that you're intentionally misrepresenting me?





SMFH.

"I am a sexist, and I think women can't open their own doors, and are basically disabled"

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Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:I am going to fold this in with the whole of notion noblesse oblige, and call it just another one of many well meaning ideals that fell victim to the stark realities of its day.

You know, that German Reichsbürger princeling guy who turned traitor honestly believes noblesse oblige was actually practiced, along with the usual "it was better in the past". All in all pretty hilarious beliefs until he tried to make them reality.


Those Nazis never give up their Putsch nonsense. Even during Hitler’s “constitutional” phase, documents such as the Boxheim Papers were very incriminating.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:46 am

Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

Sai, you don't have to provide any more examples of your wonky moral code. We get it already.
Now please stop getting life lessons from Hollywood.
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And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

Sai, you don't have to provide any more examples of your wonky moral code. We get it already.
Now please stop getting life lessons from Hollywood.

Wait until he watches Downfall, the boy in the striped pyjamas and Sophie’s Choice, and guess who he’ll think are the good guys.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:03 pm

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Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

Sai, you don't have to provide any more examples of your wonky moral code. We get it already.
Now please stop getting life lessons from Hollywood.

And he wonders why he has no job or girlfriend.
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Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

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Postby Juristonia » Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:02 am

Heavenly Assault wrote:
Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

By all means, agree with the self-proclaimed supremacist who gets all his life lessons from TV and movies, but don't pretend it's the people practising general politeness who are superficial and self-serving here.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Empire of Donner land » Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:17 am

Heavenly Assault wrote:
Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.

I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

Never before have I heard the phrase "door simping"

Jesus Christ, it's literally just holding a door for someone. It really doesn't have to be this complicated.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:38 am

Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.


This is a losing attitude.

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Heavenly Assault wrote:I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

Never before have I heard the phrase "door simping"

Jesus Christ, it's literally just holding a door for someone. It really doesn't have to be this complicated.


On the plus side, Heavenly Assault gets to sound edgy and controversial.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:57 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Saiwana wrote:Don't hold the door open for anyone, asides from going unappreciated it is a mean world out there and you have to be mean back to not get taken for a pushover or fool. On the few occasions where someone objects I just say that I'm rude and to let it go. Sort of like how Schultz from Django Unchained refuses to shake hands with anyone he doesn't want to, despite it being the US Southern states' custom.


This is a losing attitude.

Empire of Donner land wrote:Never before have I heard the phrase "door simping"

Jesus Christ, it's literally just holding a door for someone. It really doesn't have to be this complicated.


On the plus side, Heavenly Assault gets to sound edgy and controversial.


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Postby Heavenly Assault » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:04 pm

Juristonia wrote:
Heavenly Assault wrote:I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

By all means, agree with the self-proclaimed supremacist who gets all his life lessons from TV and movies, but don't pretend it's the people practising general politeness who are superficial and self-serving here.

After what you did to me, you're not in a position to try and assassinate peoples' character - and that's not even addressing the anti-intellectualism inherent with trying to disregard views based solely on who holds them.

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Heavenly Assault wrote:I actually do sort of agree with this, but in a less exaggerated way. I only hold the door if it would smack the person behind me if I didn't, or like I said, if the person needs physical help. Door simping is basically just a social contract "microaggression" where society subconsciously tries to cultivate altruistic conformity, like the American obsession with smiling. It's very superficial and self-serving.

Never before have I heard the phrase "door simping"

Jesus Christ, it's literally just holding a door for someone. It really doesn't have to be this complicated.

It's not complicated. (Most) people get a little dopamine hit for holding the door open for someone else. It makes them feel good. When folks start holding the doors open for their worst enemies, then you can tell me it's not superficial and self-serving, but until then, it is. It's not necessarily a bad thing, though.

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