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Postby HISPIDA » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:43 pm

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:43 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:The closest I got was a Neocon-Neolib fusion.


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Ex-Nation

Postby Puertego » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:45 pm

Diarcesia wrote:My answer is "guess what's mine," really.

Unironic monarchism? Your nations flag gives me those vibes
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:18 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:The closest I got was a Neocon-Neolib fusion.


Stop Neo, you were only supposed to take one of the pills.

I swallowed the whole bottle...oops
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Technoscience Leftwing
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:21 pm

My ideology can be called "left radical techno-utilitarianism".

Details:

Utilitarianism is the pursuit of the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.
Leftism - protection of the interests of the common people, wide access to bread, circuses, leisure, knowledge, creativity, the benefits of technological progress.
Technicism is the improvement of people's lives, if possible, by influencing nature with the help of technology, without manipulating living beings and without suffering living beings. Within this framework - the encouragement of scientific and technological progress.
Radicalism is the belief that predators, despots and obscurantists will not give up their power and privileges without a fight. Proceeding from this - the approval of the revolutionaries and decisive methods of struggle for the people's welfare.

The goal is a caring and emancipated post-work society.

Caring - people are protected from hunger, homelessness, poverty, illiteracy and boredom.
Emancipated - life and culture are free from excessive uniformity and asceticism.
Post-labor - living labor is replaced by automation, there is no economic or forceful coercion to work, the choice between productive, educational and entertaining hobbies is voluntary.

A few more touches:

Materialism - explanation of the phenomena of nature and society by natural causes, secularization, rejection of references to miracles and the supernatural in science and politics.
Cosmopolitanism is the recognition of the planet Earth as one's homeland, the desire for a single humanity without borders and nations. Fight against nationalism.

I am also a supporter of the socialization of large monopolies, responsible childbearing and parental licenses, an unconditional basic income, diversity of opinions within the framework of humanistic socialism.
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Washington-Columbia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Washington-Columbia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:22 pm

I identify as a Social Democrat to a Democratic Socialist, though I do have a little patriotism (half of the time) and some libertarian socialistic characteristics.
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Diarcesia
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Diarcesia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:23 pm

Puertego wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:My answer is "guess what's mine," really.

Unironic monarchism? Your nations flag gives me those vibes

Interesting observation.

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El Lazaro
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:29 pm

Golgothastan wrote:PanAncient-Baroque Reptilio-TurboStatism, Except It's Ur-Islamist

My thoughts exactly

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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Intaglio » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:41 pm

I've always considered myself a moderate of sorts as I dislike the extremes of both the Left and Right but other than that, I don't like to label myself.
Yo try to sum up my beliefs:
I want a government that has a balance of power, strong enough to enforce the law and protect people but not so strong as to rule our lives.
I support everything LGBTQ, including gay marriage and adoption and laws that would criminalize discrimination against them but I support the right of religious officials to refuse to perform ceremonies if they don't want to.
I'm not a fan of abortion but ultimately I think it's up to the mother.
Freedom of speech is important, but if you say something people find objectionable, horrifying or just factually incorrect, you have to deal with the consequences.
Freedom of religion is also important but religion should never be mixed in government and never be powerful enough to force on those who do not want it.
Guns are okay, but I see no issue with owner registries, background checks, etc.
Police are fine but we need higher standards and better training to deal with non-criminal situations.
Taxes should be minimal and waste should be cut but taxes aren't inherently bad.
Big businesses are not inherently bad but their power should be limited.
I support affordable healthcare programs and laws that would keep insurance companies and hospitals from gouging costs.

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Socialist Montenegro
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Ex-Nation

Postby Socialist Montenegro » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:45 pm

Iransahr wrote:I am closely aligned to Blue Labour, though I feel that my social conservatism and economic leftism is stronger than some of my peers in that sort of alignment. I’m strongly influenced by communitarian, distributist, and corporatist thought. I’m also an English nationalist, Unionist, and I’m aware that I possess notable imperialist views, though I otherwise believe in creating and maintaining transparent and honest ties with other states and treating the developing world more fairly as to gather them into Britain’s sphere.


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New York Times Democracy

Postby Forsher » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:50 pm

I'm right, everyone else is wrong.

Actually, might as well do another political compass... been a while since I last did one and while I don't record the dates, I can compare it the last three I did.

Economic Left/Right: -3.5 (-2.25) (-3.25) (-2.50)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69 (-2.46) (-1.69) (-1.54)

Interesting, but it might be even more interesting as a plot... I assume the righthand side was the first of these, but I'm not sure:

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And I might as well do eight values while I'm at it. Anything to avoid thinking!

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But, as I see El Lazaro has already pointed out, these wouldn't really help someone trying to, say, create an account and LARP as Forsher. What does it even mean to be, say, 80.1% socialist? Which, frankly, seems very high. But, of course, the reason I did them is because it's less effort than having to articulate in a short paragraph what I believe. So, for all you would be Forsher impersonators out there, you're out of luck! I'm just too damn lazy. You will have to guess based on the following eight (hot?) takes:

  • rightwing politics is completely incompatible with the neo-classical synthesis/orthodox economics
  • democracy is an end in and of itself
  • the rule of law is incompatible with the existence of supreme law
  • good people exist
  • bad policy almost always comes down to bad people making predictably bad decisions
  • sports metaphors are a particularly useful class of metaphor
  • "blessings" are inherently religious and therefore they are intolerably religious and can gtfo
  • fiscal drag is the only plausible way of increasing tax revenues and is therefore very, very necessary

ChatGPT thinks this makes me a... libertarian???? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It is difficult to accurately predict someone's political ideology based on a few statements or beliefs. However, based on the statements given, the person could potentially be classified as a libertarian or a classical liberal.

The statement that right-wing politics is incompatible with neo-classical synthesis/orthodox economics suggests a belief in free market principles and a distrust of government intervention in the economy. Similarly, the statement that fiscal drag is the only plausible way of increasing tax revenues suggests a preference for low taxes and minimal government intervention in the economy.

The belief in democracy as an end in and of itself suggests a commitment to individual liberty and a belief in the importance of democratic processes. The statement that good people exist and bad policy is often the result of bad decisions suggests a belief in personal responsibility and accountability.

The statement that sports metaphors are a useful class of metaphor suggests a belief in the importance of competition and individual achievement. The statement that blessings are inherently religious and intolerably religious suggests a skepticism towards religion and a belief in secularism.

Finally, the statement that the rule of law is incompatible with the existence of supreme law is more difficult to interpret. It could suggest a belief in a decentralized legal system with more local control or a distrust of centralized government power. However, it is also possible that the statement is intended as a provocative statement without a clear political ideology attached to it.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:51 pm

Faradova wrote:
Untecna wrote:"a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction"

>right-wing refers to capitalist economics
>socialism is the opposite of capitalism


Maybe they meant culturally right-wing socialism, since yeah the main definition of right-wing goes completely against socialism

That's exactly what it is, I didn't think it was that hard to understand lol
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:56 pm

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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:02 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Faradova wrote:
Maybe they meant culturally right-wing socialism, since yeah the main definition of right-wing goes completely against socialism

That's exactly what it is, I didn't think it was that hard to understand lol

So, what do you mean by right-wing socialism?
Like, a rundown/summary of your beliefs
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Postby Puertego » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:03 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Puertego wrote:Unironic monarchism? Your nations flag gives me those vibes

Interesting observation.

Was I close or no?
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Postby Socialist Montenegro » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:03 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Faradova wrote:
Maybe they meant culturally right-wing socialism, since yeah the main definition of right-wing goes completely against socialism

That's exactly what it is, I didn't think it was that hard to understand lol


So...the government in both your bedroom and your boardroom? That's a lot of government.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:16 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:That's exactly what it is, I didn't think it was that hard to understand lol

So, what do you mean by right-wing socialism?
Like, a rundown/summary of your beliefs

Religious, anti-drug, pro-police, pro-life, stressing the importance of marriage, socialist
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:18 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:So, what do you mean by right-wing socialism?
Like, a rundown/summary of your beliefs

Religious, anti-drug, pro-police, pro-life, stressing the importance of marriage, socialist

I can get along with most of that, mkay. Thx
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Postby Puertego » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:18 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:So, what do you mean by right-wing socialism?
Like, a rundown/summary of your beliefs

Religious, anti-drug, pro-police, pro-life, stressing the importance of marriage, socialist

What do you mean when you say socialist?
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Ex-Nation

Postby Zhinmja » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:20 pm

Yes I am gonna go to the ideology store and pick out an ideology to wear. That one is too gray! It doesn't match my green shirt! This is a very healthy way of engaging with the world and with politics!

I am a member of a communist organization and am thereby part of a century-and-a-half of marxist ideological development and a century of that in the uniquely American context. My marxism was not constructed by me out of thin air in accordance with idealistic notions about how I would magically change the world if I led it. If I came out of my initial ideological development as a teenager and young adult as a liberal or a conservative, it would not have been because I actively chose and selected it.

I became a marxist, and stayed a marxist, because the immediate platforms of marxist organizations and the issues they tackled coincided closely with the ones that were relevant to me. It was out of that I developed a broader historical, ideological, and political understanding of the world and policy.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:23 pm

Puertego wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Religious, anti-drug, pro-police, pro-life, stressing the importance of marriage, socialist

What do you mean when you say socialist?

Pro regulation, programs to help poor people get richer and strive for income equality. However, I'm not communist. Like in the middle of capitalism and communism
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:23 pm

Ah, I finally found the results from this summer when I got bored and took all the (adjective)Values and related tests.

8values: Social Democracy
9axes: Libertarian Socialism
LeftValues: Market Anarchism
RightValues: Geolibertarianism
LiberationValues: Liberal Socialism
Authvalues: Distributism
CenterValues: Modern-day Politician
10groups: Democratic Socialism
SoilTextureTest: Clay Loam

This translates to -5.0, -4.41 on the Political Compass. Yes, some of these aren’t supposed to work for everyone, but they’re still amusing results, seeing as some can coexist while others are mutually exclusive. Besides generally appearing to be left-liberal or left-libertarian, what this says about my views is entertainingly wide-ranging and vague.

The only sure thing is that I am the dominant soil texture and type of politician, meaning I am powerful and I am many. Fear me, political rivals.
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Postby Port Caverton » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:25 pm

El Lazaro wrote:Ah, I finally found the results from this summer when I got bored and took all the (adjective)Values and related tests.

8values: Social Democracy
9axes: Libertarian Socialism
LeftValues: Market Anarchism
RightValues: Geolibertarianism
LiberationValues: Liberal Socialism
Authvalues: Distributism
CenterValues: Modern-day Politician
10groups: Democratic Socialism
SoilTextureTest: Clay Loam

This translates to -5.0, -4.41 on the Political Compass. Yes, some of these aren’t supposed to work for everyone, but they’re still amusing results, seeing as some can coexist while others are mutually exclusive. Besides generally appearing to be left-liberal or left-libertarian, what this says about my views is entertainingly wide-ranging and vague.

You forgot the 12axes test: https://politicaltests.github.io/12axes/
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:25 pm

El Lazaro wrote:SoilTextureTest: Clay Loam

CLAY LOAM?!?!?
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Postby Puertego » Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:27 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Puertego wrote:What do you mean when you say socialist?

Pro regulation, programs to help poor people get richer and strive for income equality. However, I'm not communist. Like in the middle of capitalism and communism

Eh somewhat based, I think regulations can be extremely detrimental if there's too many of them and I don't see how income inequality itself is bad, personally I don't really know if I would call myself a socialist my economic views are pretty much the same as modern day Vietnam
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