Gun Control 2023 (V) - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Vrbo]

When your argument is filled with nothing but emotionally driven propaganda terms such as "murder weapon", "murder machine", "weapon of war", "assault weapon"
"Tell that to the dead X". Your argument is built on nothing and there really isn't anything to reason or argue.

I've lost count of how many times San Lumen uses the argument of weaponizing dead people to advance the deprivation of constitutional rights.

[Paddy O Fernature]

When your argument is filled with nothing but emotionally driven propaganda terms such as "murder weapon", "murder machine", "weapon of war", "assault weapon"
"Tell that to the dead X". Your argument is built on nothing and there really isn't anything to reason or argue.

So much this.

These measures include the following bills:

• AB355: Age minimum increases for semiauto shotguns and rifles from 18 to 21, with Armed Forces and Law Enforcement members being exempt
• AB 354: Ban on ghost guns through prohibiting the sale of unfinished frames or receivers, and banning firearm possession close to an election site
• SB171: Those who have been convicted of attempting or committing a violent hate crime would be banned from possession of firearms.

Hmm...

A: Pointless and would have done literally nothing other than punish law abiding citizens and infringe further upon their rights. Prime example of politicians targeting innocent people instead of actual criminals.
B: Yes, how dare anyone sell an unfinished project and/or kit to someone else that they have lost interest in or are no long able to finish themselves for any logical reason. Since poll sites can be pretty much anywhere a city decides them to be, I can see this possibly being abused, like how the local big city here years ago tried to label large parts of itself as a school zone so nobody could carry legally within it.
C: Once a person is released from prison and served their sentence, outside extreme circumstances they should have all their rights restored to them, including firearm possession. If the person cannot be trusted with one, then they shouldn't be released as clearly they are not ready for reintegration into society.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-wh ... -sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

[Ors Might]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

Removing rights from others without due process is evil, actually.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

Removing rights from others without due process is evil, actually.

That’s not what has occurred here.

[Ors Might]

Removing rights from others without due process is evil, actually.

That’s not what has occurred here.

That's what red flag laws do.

[San Lumen]

That’s not what has occurred here.

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

[Ors Might]

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

Tell us your understanding of red flag laws and how they don't violate due process, please.

[Galloism]

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

In order to explain your position, please use another right.

Let’s say I can go get an extreme speech risk protection order, and you are then required to turn over all your electronic devices so you can no longer post on Nationstates.

How would you make this fit within our rubric of free speech rights?

[Grinning Dragon]

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

Do you even understand due process protections and ex parte orders?
As Gallo pointed out using the 1st Amendment as an example of an ex parte order violating your due process and stripping you of your first amendment right without so much as stepping foot inside a court room and face a judge and your accuser(s). Jackboots just show up one day and say hand em over and that will be the first time you are aware of it.

Now back in 2015 a 9-0 supreme court ruling in Caniglia v. Strom basically delegitimizes red flag laws.

[Galloism]

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

Do you even understand due process protections and ex parte orders?
As Gallo pointed out using the 1st Amendment as an example of an ex parte order violating your due process and stripping you of your first amendment right without so much as stepping foot inside a court room and face a judge and your accuser(s). Jackboots just show up one day and say hand em over and that will be the first time you are aware of it.

Now back in 2015 a 9-0 supreme court ruling in Caniglia v. Strom basically delegitimizes red flag laws.

To be fair, the facts of Caniglia are so far out there (seriously, it’s like Dianne Feinstein had a wet dream) I wouldn’t necessarily construe it to delegitimize red flag laws.

I agree red flag laws are super suspicious constitutionally, but Caniglia just had the worst of all possible facts.

[Ors Might]

Do you even understand due process protections and ex parte orders?
As Gallo pointed out using the 1st Amendment as an example of an ex parte order violating your due process and stripping you of your first amendment right without so much as stepping foot inside a court room and face a judge and your accuser(s). Jackboots just show up one day and say hand em over and that will be the first time you are aware of it.

Now back in 2015 a 9-0 supreme court ruling in Caniglia v. Strom basically delegitimizes red flag laws.

To be fair, the facts of Caniglia are so far out there (seriously, it’s like Dianne Feinstein had a wet dream) I wouldn’t necessarily construe it to delegitimize red flag laws.

I agree red flag laws are super suspicious constitutionally, but Caniglia just had the worst of all possible facts.

The very concept of judges being able to remove rights on mere accusations, completely abandoning the need for trials or even evidence, should be enough to burst a constitutional blood vessel.

[Grinning Dragon]

Do you even understand due process protections and ex parte orders?
As Gallo pointed out using the 1st Amendment as an example of an ex parte order violating your due process and stripping you of your first amendment right without so much as stepping foot inside a court room and face a judge and your accuser(s). Jackboots just show up one day and say hand em over and that will be the first time you are aware of it.

Now back in 2015 a 9-0 supreme court ruling in Caniglia v. Strom basically delegitimizes red flag laws.

To be fair, the facts of Caniglia are so far out there (seriously, it’s like Dianne Feinstein had a wet dream) I wouldn’t necessarily construe it to delegitimize red flag laws.

I agree red flag laws are super suspicious constitutionally, but Caniglia just had the worst of all possible facts.

Perhaps so, none the less its still a step toward a rejection of red flag laws and now with Bruen the 5th circuit shot down the stripping of ones 2nd Amendment in domestic violence orders.
United States v. Rahimi

[Grinning Dragon]

Seems Mexico with the help of American anti gun orgs is still on a mission to blame firearm manufacturers and FFLs for the cartel violence.

A coalition of 20 Republican attorneys general has filed a friend of the court brief with the First Circuit Court of Appeals urging a three-judge panel to uphold a district court decision that tossed out a lawsuit filed by the Mexican government against U.S. gun makers blaming them for cartel violence.

In his decision, U.S. District Judge Dennis Saylor rejected the claims by Mexican officials and U.S. gun control advocates, opining instead that the real cause of cartel violence are the cartels themselves....

AGs ask appeals court to reject Mexico's lawsuit against US gun makers

[Kernen]

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

You don't understand constitutional law.

[Greater Cesnica]

That's what red flag laws do.

No it isn’t. You simply don’t like it’s a restriction on gun ownership.

Red flag laws are legalized swatting.

[The Two Jerseys]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

[Greater Cesnica]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

B-But muh hecking wiLl oF tHe pEopLe!!!

[Grinning Dragon]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

TBH, upholding constitutional rights is upholding the highest law of the land and laws that are repugnant to the US Constitution are to be ignored.

[Grinning Dragon]

Interesting...
Black Wolf: The New Rideshare App for Customers Who Want the Security of an Armed Driver

You don’t typically see a bulletproof vest in the trunk of someone’s car.

“We’re about security and safety at all times,” said Kerry King Brown.

However, Atlanta’s Kerry King Brown isn’t an ordinary driver. He’s also a private investigator and an experienced bodyguard for celebrities and politicians.

Now, he wants you to feel what it’s like to have “executive protection.”

“Who are mostly on the news getting robbed, getting raped? The average person. What I’m creating is a necessary evil. It’s a necessity,” Brown said.

Brown’s new ride-sharing app. called “Black Wolf,” lets you request a driver who is armed.

The app., which launched just last week, already has 79,000 downloads.

As a side note, I have a few acquaintances that drive for uber eats/uber/lyft as a side hustle to their day job for some extra cash and since here in La. your vehicle is an extension of ones home and they all are strapped, ride share rules be damned they say.

[Haganham]

Interesting...
Black Wolf: The New Rideshare App for Customers Who Want the Security of an Armed Driver

You don’t typically see a bulletproof vest in the trunk of someone’s car.

“We’re about security and safety at all times,” said Kerry King Brown.

However, Atlanta’s Kerry King Brown isn’t an ordinary driver. He’s also a private investigator and an experienced bodyguard for celebrities and politicians.

Now, he wants you to feel what it’s like to have “executive protection.”

“Who are mostly on the news getting robbed, getting raped? The average person. What I’m creating is a necessary evil. It’s a necessity,” Brown said.

Brown’s new ride-sharing app. called “Black Wolf,” lets you request a driver who is armed.

The app., which launched just last week, already has 79,000 downloads.

As a side note, I have a few acquaintances that drive for uber eats/uber/lyft as a side hustle to their day job for some extra cash and since here in La. your vehicle is an extension of ones home and they all are strapped, ride share rules be damned they say.

is anyone really going to expect armed protection from a rideshare driver?

[American Legionaries]

Interesting...
Black Wolf: The New Rideshare App for Customers Who Want the Security of an Armed Driver


As a side note, I have a few acquaintances that drive for uber eats/uber/lyft as a side hustle to their day job for some extra cash and since here in La. your vehicle is an extension of ones home and they all are strapped, ride share rules be damned they say.

is anyone really going to expect armed protection from a rideshare driver?

People expect armed protection from the police department...

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4015969-whitmer-signs-michigans-red-flag-law-ag-calls-out-defiant-sheriffs/

Whitmer signs Michigan’s red flag law; AG calls out defiant sheriffs

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

[Paddy O Fernature]

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

Ah, so you are just being a hypocrite. Thank you for clarifying your stance.

[Tarsonis]

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

The sheriffs are also elected.