Gun Control 2023 (V) - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[San Lumen]

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

Shut the fuck up with this "blood will be on your hands" bullshit. Even if I wanted a gun ban in the United States, I would respect the law of the land enough that I'd repeal the Second Amendment instead of infringing upon the constitution (an act of treason).

It doesn't matter if an action has majority or even unanimous support. If it violates the constitution, implementing it is an open act of rebellion against the United States.

That's not the definition of treason.

[Galloism]

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

Shut the fuck up with this "blood will be on your hands" bullshit. Even if I wanted a gun ban in the United States, I would respect the law of the land enough that I'd repeal the Second Amendment instead of infringing upon the constitution (an act of treason).

It doesn't matter if an action has majority or even unanimous support. If it violates the constitution, implementing it is an open act of rebellion against the United States.

Supporting legislation that goes against the freedoms guaranteed in the constitution just means you hate the rights of the people. It also is closely associated with hating poor people and minorities.

That’s not treason. Just lower-class hatted.

[Haganham]

Shut the fuck up with this "blood will be on your hands" bullshit. Even if I wanted a gun ban in the United States, I would respect the law of the land enough that I'd repeal the Second Amendment instead of infringing upon the constitution (an act of treason).

It doesn't matter if an action has majority or even unanimous support. If it violates the constitution, implementing it is an open act of rebellion against the United States.

That's not the definition of treason.

You're right. it's seditious conspiracy and advocating overthrow of Government.

[American Legionaries]

When Lumen wants to prohibit thought and prayer too...

Did not say that. You want to do it go ahead but its meaningless when your opposed to any and all gun laws.

On the contrary, thoughts and prayers mean more when you actually care about the people.

[Kernen]

If the law infringes upon an established state or federal constitutional right it doesn't matter what a minority/majority wants and the judge can only rule according to the enumerated constitutional law.

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

Blood washes off.

[Thermodolia]

Crimes against humanity.

I don't think thats something you can be charged with in the United States.

You definitely can be as the US is a signatory of the UDHR

[Greater Cesnica]

If the law infringes upon an established state or federal constitutional right it doesn't matter what a minority/majority wants and the judge can only rule according to the enumerated constitutional law.

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

I don't care.

[Thermodolia]

Yes you did.


The underlined is an emotional strong arm.
Are you under the impression that rulings should ignore constitutional enumerated protections?

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. Only a very small minority wants that so yes if a judge strikes down this common sense law in Minnesota they should be lambasted. Threatened? No.

The majority of people in Mississippi want to ban gay marriage. So we should just let them right? The governor of Mississippi should tell the courts to go pound sand because they don’t care about what the people want and are ruling in favor of a minority that wants to ruin marriage.

[Paddy O Fernature]

If the law infringes upon an established state or federal constitutional right it doesn't matter what a minority/majority wants and the judge can only rule according to the enumerated constitutional law.

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

How could the blood possibly be on our hands when you have pretty much all of it soaked into your socks and shoes from tap dancing on the lukewarm corpses of children Lumen?

[Rary]

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

How could the blood possibly be on our hands when you have pretty much all of it soaked into your socks and shoes from tap dancing on the lukewarm corpses of children Lumen?

When you see innocent children being murdered on the news by a lunatic with a gun, do you think “Yes, this is the country I want to live in. Children will not stand in the way of my constitutional rights.”?

What if it was your kid?

[Paddy O Fernature]

How could the blood possibly be on our hands when you have pretty much all of it soaked into your socks and shoes from tap dancing on the lukewarm corpses of children Lumen?

When you see innocent children being murdered on the news by a lunatic with a gun, do you think “Yes, this is the country I want to live in. Children will not stand in the way of my constitutional rights.”?

What if it was your kid?

Is there a point in this flimsy appeal to emotion of yours?

[Rary]

When you see innocent children being murdered on the news by a lunatic with a gun, do you think “Yes, this is the country I want to live in. Children will not stand in the way of my constitutional rights.”?

What if it was your kid?

Is there a point in this flimsy appeal to emotion of yours?

Are you going to answer my question?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Is there a point in this flimsy appeal to emotion of yours?

Are you going to answer my question?

Do you have one? All I see is a laughable appeal to emotion.

[Rary]

Are you going to answer my question?

Do you have one?

The question is aimed at you, not me.

All I see is a laughable appeal to emotion.

So you don’t care about them?

[Juansonia]

How could the blood possibly be on our hands when you have pretty much all of it soaked into your socks and shoes from tap dancing on the lukewarm corpses of children Lumen?

When you see innocent children being murdered on the news by a lunatic with a gun, do you think “Yes, this is the country I want to live in. Children will not stand in the way of my constitutional rights.”?

What if it was your kid?

I don't want children to die, but I know that lives are finite anyways. It's not like banning guns would actually make schools safer. The proper way to fix the problem would be to rebuild American society.

I remember seeing a webcomic where a koala was in a field of stumps and a human said "This koala clearly has a mental health problem"
America is the field of stumps, and the people are the koala.

[Juansonia]

All I see is a laughable appeal to emotion.

So you don’t care about them?

I think that he does, but he understands that emotion isn't that useful in policy decisions. The law and the facts are what matters, not some sob-story.

In this case, the law is clear - until the 2nd A is repealed, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The facts are unclear in terms of how nationwide gun policy affects domestic terrorism.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So you don’t care about them?

I think that he does, but he understands that emotion isn't that useful in policy decisions. The law and the facts are what matters, not some sob-story.

In this case, the law is clear - until the 2nd A is repealed, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The facts are unclear in terms of how nationwide gun policy affects domestic terrorism.

Well said, on all accounts.

[The Two Jerseys]

If the law infringes upon an established state or federal constitutional right it doesn't matter what a minority/majority wants and the judge can only rule according to the enumerated constitutional law.

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

So you're willing to take the blame every time a woman is raped because she didn't have a gun to defend herself with then?

[Galloism]

How could the blood possibly be on our hands when you have pretty much all of it soaked into your socks and shoes from tap dancing on the lukewarm corpses of children Lumen?

When you see innocent children being murdered on the news by a lunatic with a gun, do you think “Yes, this is the country I want to live in. Children will not stand in the way of my constitutional rights.”?

What if it was your kid?

Parents have emotions - you might find parents of a child who committed suicide due to being bullied or to due to depression over televised information about world affairs to be sympathetic to calls to curb freedom of speech, as that freedom resulted in the death of their child.

That doesn't make it good policy to do so.

[Grinning Dragon]

If the law infringes upon an established state or federal constitutional right it doesn't matter what a minority/majority wants and the judge can only rule according to the enumerated constitutional law.

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

Well, blood does make the grass grow.
Again, rights are not subject by those who engage in illegal activities nor are they subject to a popular infringement.

[Kernen]

So you don’t care about them?

I do. I just don't think restrictions on rights is the answer.

[Undemocacy]

when you get what you want of zero gun laws whatsoever don't send thoughts and prayers. The blood will be on your hands because of attitudes like yours.

Well, blood does make the grass grow.
Again, rights are not subject by those who engage in illegal activities nor are they subject to a popular infringement.

So you don’t care about them?

I do. I just don't think restrictions on rights is the answer.

owning a firearm being a right in America is absolutely absurd to someone outside of the US. The idea that owning a murder weapon is not only legal but actually seen as a fundamental right is very strange.

[Kernen]

Well, blood does make the grass grow.
Again, rights are not subject by those who engage in illegal activities nor are they subject to a popular infringement.

I do. I just don't think restrictions on rights is the answer.

owning a firearm being a right in America is absolutely absurd to someone outside of the US. The idea that owning a murder weapon is not only legal but actually seen as a fundamental right is very strange.

And?

[Juansonia]

Well, blood does make the grass grow.
Again, rights are not subject by those who engage in illegal activities nor are they subject to a popular infringement.

I do. I just don't think restrictions on rights is the answer.

owning a firearm being a right in America is absolutely absurd to someone outside of the US. The idea that owning a murder weapon is not only legal but actually seen as a fundamental right is very strange.

the right to keep and bear weapons is a necessary extension of the right to self-defense. You could argue that ownership is unnecessary to "keep and bear", but you don't seem like a commie.

Also, the American state was a product of guerilla warfare against Britain, and nobody wants to give the Brits another chance.

[Galloism]

owning a firearm being a right in America is absolutely absurd to someone outside of the US. The idea that owning a murder weapon is not only legal but actually seen as a fundamental right is very strange.

It's true that a lot of people are uneducated on the immensely long history of the right to bear arms - right to bear arms actually predates firearms specifically by a very long period, along with most other known rights (including speech, religion, press, and against unreasonable search and seizure) and may (emphasis on may) actually be the reason the concept of rights even exists in the first place.