Gun Control 2023 (V) - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Kernen]

*Wolverine intensifies....*

Carry the light always friends.

Mega based.

[Grinning Dragon]

Yeah, I don't think it's going to work they way they envisioned after hitting the crack pipe. Ammo manufacturers would have to retool, then you have the issue that it would have to be printed as I would think laser etching and or stamping would cause weak points in the casing and no manufacturer is going to want the headache of being sued when shit goes sideways. Perhaps PA's end goal it that the manufacturers just wont sell ammo to the state.

A few years later...

"OMG, I just hit another deer! This is the fifth Mercedes they've totaled, why isn't anyone doing something about all these deer running around?"

Had to go back and edit, seeing as the proposal says "bullet" and not cartridge case. So putting a serial number on a bullet is going to render that serial number unreadable since lead like to go flat when it hits things and with a serial number on the inside of the case, well extreme heat is going to mar that serial number and make it unreadable.

[Kernen]

Your sexual fantasies don't make real life messes.

Unlike the mass shootings that the GOP hopes to pray away.

The GOP would like to let existing law address perpetrators of gun violence.

[Juansonia]

1. Punishing people solely for their party affiliation is a hate crime.
2. Most voters (in the US) aren't registered with either party
3. Your entire argument here is "appeal to emotion" and "coercion", both of which mean that you have no intent of discussing the problem.

You can't just say "appeal to emotion."

I can, especially when it applies to the situation. You are assuming that forcing Republicans(lawmakers, post-clarification) would change their minds rationally.

I swear people find out about words like, "fallacy" and "appeal to emotion" and then just use them in situations where they aren't accurate.

That is a problem, but it pales in comparison to the effects of erroneous and malicious tactics on policy discussions.

Btw, I didn't mean republican voters(although some are crazy enough to where they probably sbhould), I meant republican lawmakers like Desantis, MTG, Ted Cruz, etc.

You said "republicans", so I assumed you meant the lot. I don't think that narrowing the scope makes it better, but still.

Also, that's...not a hate crime. What? You aren't born a republican or democrat. It's not a feature that you can't get rid of.

You aren't born a Christian, and Explicit Atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, a Sikh, a Buddhist, a Pagan, or a member of any religious group either. Beating someone up because they are (insert religious status here) is still a hate crime.

[Paddy O Fernature]

A few years later...

"OMG, I just hit another deer! This is the fifth Mercedes they've totaled, why isn't anyone doing something about all these deer running around?"

Had to go back and edit, seeing as the proposal says "bullet" and not cartridge case. So putting a serial number on a bullet is going to render that serial number unreadable since lead like to go flat when it hits things.

Which is why they will require all bullets to now be manufactured with a steel core so that a S/N can be laser engraved onto it and is strong enough to generally survive being fired.

Makes perfect sense......

*Nod Nod*

[Ryemarch]

Unlike the mass shootings that the GOP hopes to pray away.

The GOP would like to let existing law address perpetrators of gun violence.

I'm sure that's of great comfort to all the parents mourning their murdered children.

[The Two Jerseys]

A few years later...

"OMG, I just hit another deer! This is the fifth Mercedes they've totaled, why isn't anyone doing something about all these deer running around?"

Had to go back and edit, seeing as the proposal says "bullet" and not cartridge case. So putting a serial number on a bullet is going to render that serial number unreadable since lead like to go flat when it hits things.

It's almost as if the people who proposed this know not of which they seek to control...

[Grinning Dragon]

Had to go back and edit, seeing as the proposal says "bullet" and not cartridge case. So putting a serial number on a bullet is going to render that serial number unreadable since lead like to go flat when it hits things.

Which is why they will require all bullets to now be manufactured with a steel core so that a S/N can be laser engraved onto it and is strong enough to generally survive being fired.

Makes perfect sense......

*Nod Nod*

Penatrator rounds for all. Then they'll ban steel core.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Which is why they will require all bullets to now be manufactured with a steel core so that a S/N can be laser engraved onto it and is strong enough to generally survive being fired.

Makes perfect sense......

*Nod Nod*

Penatrator rounds for all. Then they'll ban steel core.

They gotta do something with all those "Cop Killer" signs and T-shirts collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

[Grinning Dragon]

Penatrator rounds for all. Then they'll ban steel core.

They gotta do something with all those "Cop Killer" signs and T-shirts collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

Yay, the 80's redux. That whole cop killer bullet nonsense, killed more brain cells than booze.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Had to go back and edit, seeing as the proposal says "bullet" and not cartridge case. So putting a serial number on a bullet is going to render that serial number unreadable since lead like to go flat when it hits things.

It's almost as if the people who proposed this know not of which they seek to control...

Willful ignorance is a magical thing to those who are allergic to the truth.

They gotta do something with all those "Cop Killer" signs and T-shirts collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

Yay, the 80's redux. That whole cop killer bullet nonsense, killed more brain cells than booze.

If only the AG's could be held liable for all the death and destruction caused by their asinine ideas.

[Grinning Dragon]

It's almost as if the people who proposed this know not of which they seek to control...

Willful ignorance is a magical thing to those who are allergic to the truth.

It still baffles me that in some bans they put in barrel shrouds. Almost as if they want people to burn their hands.

If only the AG's could be held liable for all the death and destruction caused by their asinine ideas.

Agreed. Life in prison.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Willful ignorance is a magical thing to those who are allergic to the truth.

It still baffles me that in some bans they put in barrel shrouds. Almost as if they want people to burn their hands.

If only the AG's could be held liable for all the death and destruction caused by their asinine ideas.

Agreed. Life in prison.

You know they do. Any statistic they can use to point and go " gun bad, me good" is useful to them, even if they are the ones that caused it in the first place.

Agreed with the prison sentence as well, or at the very least be expelled from whatever bench they are keeping war when they knowingly introduce unconstitutional legislation.

[Urkennalaid]

You can't just say "appeal to emotion." I swear people find out about words like, "fallacy" and "appeal to emotion" and then just use them in situations where they aren't accurate. Btw, I didn't mean republican voters(although some are crazy enough to where they probably sbhould), I meant republican lawmakers like Desantis, MTG, Ted Cruz, etc.

Also, that's...not a hate crime. What? You aren't born a republican or democrat. It's not a feature that you can't get rid of.

Except "appeal to emotion" fits your post to a T...

"I don't want my child to die in a school shooting"
"Uhm uhm appeal to emotion!!!!!!!"

It always turns into a semantics based argument everytime with guns, you say assault rifle and then you get dozens of people being like, "actually AR doesn't mean assault rifle" even though thats not the discussion thats being said.

[Urkennalaid]

You can't just say "appeal to emotion." I swear people find out about words like, "fallacy" and "appeal to emotion" and then just use them in situations where they aren't accurate. Btw, I didn't mean republican voters(although some are crazy enough to where they probably sbhould), I meant republican lawmakers like Desantis, MTG, Ted Cruz, etc.

Also, that's...not a hate crime. What? You aren't born a republican or democrat. It's not a feature that you can't get rid of.

But it is an appeal to emotion. The merits of gun control vs gun rights exist regardless of whether you see a shooting.

Fwiw, I've seen plenty of footage from mass shootings, including the Buffalo shooter's stream, and it hasn't budged me an inch. Elect me!

Damn, that must make you really cool that you can watch innocent people be butchered and not budge an inch. Like is that supposed to be a flex?

[The Two Jerseys]

Except "appeal to emotion" fits your post to a T...

"I don't want my child to die in a school shooting"
"Uhm uhm appeal to emotion!!!!!!!"

Yes, it is exactly that.

It always turns into a semantics based argument everytime with guns, you say assault rifle and then you get dozens of people being like, "actually AR doesn't mean assault rifle" even though thats not the discussion thats being said.

Oh yes, God forbid that we expect the people trying to take away our rights to have some clue of what they're actually talking about...

[Urkennalaid]

"I don't want my child to die in a school shooting"
"Uhm uhm appeal to emotion!!!!!!!"

Yes, it is exactly that.

It always turns into a semantics based argument everytime with guns, you say assault rifle and then you get dozens of people being like, "actually AR doesn't mean assault rifle" even though thats not the discussion thats being said.

Oh yes, God forbid that we expect the people trying to take away our rights to have some clue of what they're actually talking about...

So what would you do to fix the mass shootings, genuinely? Kids are out here now needing to learn how to fix battlefield wounds, so what is your suggestion, and what makes America different in that every other European country that banned guns or made harsher restrictions on guns fixed their gun problems?

[The Two Jerseys]

Yes, it is exactly that.

Oh yes, God forbid that we expect the people trying to take away our rights to have some clue of what they're actually talking about...

So what would you do to fix the mass shootings, genuinely? Kids are out here now needing to learn how to fix battlefield wounds, so what is your suggestion, and what makes America different in that every other European country that banned guns or made harsher restrictions on guns fixed their gun problems?

What would you do to fix the falling space station toilet seats, genuinely?

[Ryemarch]

So what would you do to fix the mass shootings, genuinely? Kids are out here now needing to learn how to fix battlefield wounds, so what is your suggestion, and what makes America different in that every other European country that banned guns or made harsher restrictions on guns fixed their gun problems?

What would you do to fix the falling space station toilet seats, genuinely?

So you have no answer to their question, and instead of admitting that you have no answer and/or that you simply prioritize your right to bear arms over other peoples' right to life, you deflect.

k.

(Edited to remove the unintentional grammar error.)

[Galloism]

Yes, it is exactly that.

Oh yes, God forbid that we expect the people trying to take away our rights to have some clue of what they're actually talking about...

So what would you do to fix the mass shootings, genuinely? Kids are out here now needing to learn how to fix battlefield wounds, so what is your suggestion, and what makes America different in that every other European country that banned guns or made harsher restrictions on guns fixed their gun problems?

Naturally, addressing the actual social causes of violence is superior to banning implement after implement thereof and leaving the actual causes unaddressed.

[The Two Jerseys]

What would you do to fix the falling space station toilet seats, genuinely?

So you have no answer to their question, and instead of admitting that you have no answer and/or that you simply prioritize your right to bear arms over other peoples' right to life, you deflect.

k.

(Edited to remove the unintentional grammar error.)

Why would I "fix" something that isn't a problem?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So what would you do to fix the mass shootings, genuinely? Kids are out here now needing to learn how to fix battlefield wounds, so what is your suggestion, and what makes America different in that every other European country that banned guns or made harsher restrictions on guns fixed their gun problems?

Naturally, addressing the actual social causes of violence is superior to banning implement after implement thereof and leaving the actual causes unaddressed.

Honestly even putting the political realities aside I’m not sure we could fix the root causes. American society is fundamentally broken in so many different ways that it might as well not even exist. I’m not sure what could be done to try and rectify that.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Naturally, addressing the actual social causes of violence is superior to banning implement after implement thereof and leaving the actual causes unaddressed.

Honestly even putting the political realities I’m not sure we could fix the root causes. American society is fundamentally broken in so many different ways that it might as well not even exist. I’m not sure what could be done to try and rectify that.

One of those few situations where a hard reset might be the only thing that bring about actual change one way or another in that regard.

[Ryemarch]

Why would I "fix" something that isn't a problem?

Then why not say "I don't see the fact that the United States has had nearly 200 mass shootings in 2023 (so far) as a problem."?

Is it because the follow-up question will likely be along the lines of "Why not?"

[Paddy O Fernature]

Why would I "fix" something that isn't a problem?

Then why not say "I don't see the fact that the United States has had nearly 200 mass shootings in 2023 (so far) as a problem."?

Is it because the follow-up question will likely be along the lines of "Why not?"

Oh look, it's that number again.