The Us vs Them Mentality (Mostly in the west)

[Drongonia]

It would be a mistake to coddle these people because soothing and reassuring would only reinforce the bad behaviour of the tantrum. As any parent knows, you can't reason with or appease a toddler throwing a tantrum - sometimes you need to gently but firmly correct the behaviour before it becomes a habitual response to doing it experiencing anything uncomfortable.

And treating your political adversaries as children, attempting to "correct" their behaviour and opinions is surely a recipe for said people to take you seriously!!!

[Nilokeras]

It would be a mistake to coddle these people because soothing and reassuring would only reinforce the bad behaviour of the tantrum. As any parent knows, you can't reason with or appease a toddler throwing a tantrum - sometimes you need to gently but firmly correct the behaviour before it becomes a habitual response to doing it experiencing anything uncomfortable.

And treating your political adversaries as children, attempting to "correct" their behaviour and opinions is surely a recipe for said people to take you seriously!!!

'Gentle but firm correction' doesn't mean baby talk, it means taking the problem at hand and addressing it directly and seriously.

[Durius]

What can be done? Ignore it and let that people grow the fuck up. That "us vs. them" talk is exaggerated and divide it supposedly causes too. However, I do like how OP tries to input the "us vs. them" in the very title of the post. Well done.

[Dogmeat]

I posted actual academic resources but you're interested. I don't post any resources and you demand I post resources, I post resources and you accuse me of hiding behind my resources, so you know what. I give up. Some of you are interested in actual discourse and I shall continue with those people, but the vast majority are more interested in dogpiling me than anything else, mostly because you are in some of a radical left-winged cult, which is extremely hostile to outsiders for the sake of hostility. I don't know how to deprogram cult members, but I am not going to argue against you for the same reason I don't argue against Scientologists or Mason Family- there's no point in trying to convince cult members of anything if you don't know how to deprogram them

The complete lack of self-awareness is astounding.

[El Lazaro]

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you want to explain what you’re arguing in the first place instead of spamming links and expecting everyone to figure it out for you?

You're one of the two who most demanded sources.

Here is what I am arguing- toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality. That one sentence in bold is what I am arguing. So now, your job is to debunk that sentence. That sentence again, (this time in red) is what my argument is toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality . Read the red/bold text and that's my whole argument. The bold/red text is what you're arguing against. Now I am NOT saying that the left are INTENTIONALLY responsible for the us vs them mentality, so please don't interpret it as such, but intentional or otherwise, these are the unintended consequences

It is not my “job” to debunk this. If the left, which is substantially (if not majority) male, makes men who view women as a separate kind of human to confusedly hate both women and leftists, then I have no involvement in the misunderstanding, and pointing fingers at the slandered group is an abjectly stupid response.

[Galactic Powers]

And treating your political adversaries as children, attempting to "correct" their behaviour and opinions is surely a recipe for said people to take you seriously!!!

'Gentle but firm correction' doesn't mean baby talk, it means taking the problem at hand and addressing it directly and seriously.

But using toddlers and tantrums as an allegory for political opponents certainly implies it.

[Nilokeras]

'Gentle but firm correction' doesn't mean baby talk, it means taking the problem at hand and addressing it directly and seriously.

But using toddlers and tantrums as an allegory for political opponents certainly implies it.

People are people, whether they're 3 or 93. They can throw tantrums. Management of them is the same.

[Cannot think of a name]

You just Them'ed the hell out of a group of people.

Because, as I said, those people aren't interested in actual discourse, but rather dogpiling me. If they were interested in actual discourse, then I'll participate in actual discourse, but they're more interested in dogpiling me. Don't bother trying to explain why I am wrong, but rather mocking me for my "bad" research. That's cult thinking. If I was wrong and my research were bad, then it should be easy to debunk me with simple arguments, but nope, rather dogpiling me and mocking me. Classic cult thinking. I don't want to play us vs them, I am a victim of it. Again, classic cult thinking. Unfortunately, us vs them thinking is part and parcel of being in a cult

oh there's always a 'reason'...

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

we already have several feminism bad topics. you don’t need to make another.

[Vertillia]

I was hoping you'd cover moreso the 'Us VS Them' idea in politics.

[Cannot think of a name]

I was hoping you'd cover moreso the 'Us VS Them' idea in politics.

Or a healthy discussion of an underrated track on Dark Side of the Moon since every time I see this thread that's what gets stuck in my head.

But politics would have been more cogent.

[Neu California]

I was hoping you'd cover moreso the 'Us VS Them' idea in politics.

Or a healthy discussion of an underrated track on Dark Side of the Moon since every time I see this thread that's what gets stuck in my head.

But politics would have been more cogent.

Said track is called "Us and Them" not "Us Vs. Them" for the record.

[The Northern Chinese Republic]

You can be as careful as it is humanly possible to be when talking about male privilege, and some hack owned by Rupert Murdoch will go on air and lie about what you said. And gullible idiots will believe you said it.

This. ^

There's a huge problem with the media stirring the pot.

[Cannot think of a name]

Or a healthy discussion of an underrated track on Dark Side of the Moon since every time I see this thread that's what gets stuck in my head.

But politics would have been more cogent.

Said track is called "Us and Them" not "Us Vs. Them" for the record.

I am aware.

[The Northern Chinese Republic]

Said track is called "Us and Them" not "Us Vs. Them" for the record.

I am aware.

It's a good song.

[Adamede]

i dont think theres much of an us vs them mentality in the west

Cant speak for the rest of the world but there certainly exists that mentkaity in the US, maibky directed at the opposite party and its members.

[Alcala-Cordel]

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you want to explain what you’re arguing in the first place instead of spamming links and expecting everyone to figure it out for you?

You're one of the two who most demanded sources.

Here is what I am arguing- toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality. That one sentence in bold is what I am arguing. So now, your job is to debunk that sentence. That sentence again, (this time in red) is what my argument is toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality . Read the red/bold text and that's my whole argument. The bold/red text is what you're arguing against. Now I am NOT saying that the left are INTENTIONALLY responsible for the us vs them mentality, so please don't interpret it as such, but intentional or otherwise, these are the unintended consequences

You've made this claim a few times now, but it's still too vague to respond to. What exactly is the left attacking that makes boys disgruntled? Are you not undermining your own argument by generalizing and vilifying "the left"? It looks like you built a strawman. Then there's that bit where you compare those who dispute your claims to cultists...

It seems kinda hypocritical, but maybe I'm missing something here.

[The Holy Therns]

So literally your position is just "The problem with the Us vs. Them mentality is that They are BAD."

[Ifreann]

So literally your position is just "The problem with the Us vs. Them mentality is that They are BAD."

The problem with THEM is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur. *nods*

[-Astoria-]

i dont think theres much of an us vs them mentality in the west

Cant speak for the rest of the world but there certainly exists that mentkaity in the US, maibky directed at the opposite party and its members.

Isn't that a general constant globally, though with the addition of 'ethnicity, religion, etc...'

[Australian rePublic]

You're one of the two who most demanded sources.

Here is what I am arguing- toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality. That one sentence in bold is what I am arguing. So now, your job is to debunk that sentence. That sentence again, (this time in red) is what my argument is toxic masculinity is (at least in part) made popular by the us vs them mentality, partially exacerbated by the left, which makes boys feel disgruntled with their place in society, and the left has an obligation to stop the us vs them mentality . Read the red/bold text and that's my whole argument. The bold/red text is what you're arguing against. Now I am NOT saying that the left are INTENTIONALLY responsible for the us vs them mentality, so please don't interpret it as such, but intentional or otherwise, these are the unintended consequences

You've made this claim a few times now, but it's still too vague to respond to. What exactly is the left attacking that makes boys disgruntled? Are you not undermining your own argument by generalizing and vilifying "the left"? It looks like you built a strawman. Then there's that bit where you compare those who dispute your claims to cultists...

It seems kinda hypocritical, but maybe I'm missing something here.

As I said several times, the far left pushes the agenda, and the moderate left fails to hold them to account for it

[Alcala-Cordel]

You've made this claim a few times now, but it's still too vague to respond to. What exactly is the left attacking that makes boys disgruntled? Are you not undermining your own argument by generalizing and vilifying "the left"? It looks like you built a strawman. Then there's that bit where you compare those who dispute your claims to cultists...

It seems kinda hypocritical, but maybe I'm missing something here.

As I said several times, the far left pushes the agenda, and the moderate left fails to hold them to account for it

You do see how that doesn't answer anything I said, right?

[Indecent Anime Empire]

This thread, Cowboys vs Aliens.