Should Stalin be taught by schools to be a hero?

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

Then what are you saying? It is considered polite, if not explicitly required, that you give your opinion and back it up with sources and ... stuff.

Sorry,

Why the Holodomor should be taught in schools
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen ... l_schools/

Other Atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin that should also be taught about (in my opinion)
https://history.howstuffworks.com/histo ... stalin.htm

Literally a reddit post and a "top ten" type article.

[Faradova]

Both sides of his history should be taught, both his great contribution to defeating Nazi Germany as well as the terrible policies he enacted that led to the deaths of millions of Soviet people. However, he shouldn't be portrayed as a hero at all for his war effort, considering he was probably one of the most evil leaders in the 20th century

[Punished UMN]

The anti-Stalin line of the CPSU after 1956 was the correct one.

I disagree.

That is because you are an ultraleft Maoist/Hoxhaist, willing to betray the global socialist movement because Khrushchev admitted that Stalin's contributions to the USSR besides the victory in the second world war were harmful to the Party and the state.

[Italian Union of Controlled States]

No, but his efforts during the later half of WW2 should still be recognized

Yes, almost everyone owes something to Stalin for WW2 and his tremendous efforts shouldn't be forgotten

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

I disagree.

That is because you are an ultraleft Maoist/Hoxhaist, willing to betray the global socialist movement because Khrushchev admitted that Stalin's contributions to the USSR besides the victory in the second world war were harmful to the Party and the state.

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[The Rio Grande River Basin]

NO.

[Italian Union of Controlled States]

Both sides of his history should be taught, both his great contribution to defeating Nazi Germany as well as the terrible policies he enacted that led to the deaths of millions of Soviet people. However, he shouldn't be portrayed as a hero at all for his war effort, considering he was probably one of the most evil leaders in the 20th century

I agree, only teaching one side would be only showing half the picture, cutting out the "Un-necessary" parts.

[Farnhamia]

Then what are you saying? It is considered polite, if not explicitly required, that you give your opinion and back it up with sources and ... stuff.

Sorry,

Why the Holodomor should be taught in schools
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen ... l_schools/

Other Atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin that should also be taught about (in my opinion)
https://history.howstuffworks.com/histo ... stalin.htm

Now edit the OP and add those.

[Bharbosia]

He is not exactly the brightest hero, but certainly a great man who played a huge and generally progressive role in the history of the Earth.
He should be honored, though not idolized.

Yes, he had a very influential role and I think he should be honored, but the bad parts shouldn't be covered up

Yea and Hitler had a very influential role for the world too, but you would never see anyone saying shit like this for him

[II Soviet state]

Yes, he had a very influential role and I think he should be honored, but the bad parts shouldn't be covered up

Yea and Hitler had a very influential role for the world too, but you would never see anyone saying shit like this for him

Hitler was a fierce reactionary who blew up Europe for the sake of his obscurantist nonsense. Perhaps for someone he is a hero, for example, for those whom he "saved from communism", but not for me.
You didn’t see, or maybe you deliberately threw out what I Stalin is a great progressive figure.

[Cannot think of a name]

No, but his efforts during the later half of WW2 should still be recognized

Yes, almost everyone owes something to Stalin for WW2 and his tremendous efforts shouldn't be forgotten

Was there a grand strategic decision or thing he developed beyond 'hardcore winter and sending millions of soldiers into the meatgrinder until he eroded the German advance'?

Again, sort of stunned you haven't learned this stuff in school, but part of his contribution was things like 'giving every other soldier a rifle where the other guy was supposed to pick up the rifle of the first guy after he was killed' and 'shooting anyone who tried to retreat.' So even though Russia was a major contributor to turning the tide of the war, he was still characteristically a giant a-hole about it. And he initially wanted no part of it, he had signed a non-aggression pact with Germany until Germany got high on its own supply and thought they could take Russia as well. So he didn't heroically jump in to save the Allies, he got screwed and went ham on Germany in retaliation.

But then I'm piecing this together from the shit I learned in school. I'm not a big war history guy so I haven't done much 'reading more about it' outside the occasional WWII documentary as long as it's about cool shit like the Night Witches.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yea and Hitler had a very influential role for the world too, but you would never see anyone saying shit like this for him

Hitler was a fierce reactionary who blew up Europe for the sake of his obscurantist nonsense. Perhaps for someone he is a hero, for example, for those whom he "saved from communism", but not for me.

He, like...made a bunch of roads that connected the country...so he could move military equipment, but also so an Auto Union car could do a land speed run...

...yeah.

OH! Between shit like Project Paperclip, that thing where you watch aviation documentaries about the war where they go "the Germans reinvented entire aspects of aircraft design still in use today to make this crazy capable war plane, then the Americans put a bigger engine in their planes and blew the German fighters up" and people fleeing during the rise of Germany he caused maybe the biggest brain drain any country has ever had. Kinda makes you think that had they not gotten all weird about Jewish people and invading neighbors even with the punitive measures following WWI technologically they could have become fucking Wakanda if all the advancements that were done by refugees in other countries had all stayed in Germany. Like if the millions of dead and the nation permanently scared from war weren't bad enough, he also lost his country a fuckton of incredibly smart people.

[Bharbosia]

Yea and Hitler had a very influential role for the world too, but you would never see anyone saying shit like this for him

Hitler was a fierce reactionary who blew up Europe for the sake of his obscurantist nonsense. Perhaps for someone he is a hero, for example, for those whom he "saved from communism", but not for me.
You didn’t see, or maybe you deliberately threw out what I Stalin is a great progressive figure.

Progressive reactionary I don't give a shit both of them were genocidal dipshits who didn't give a damn about their people and who ruined their respective countries and other countries around them, Stalin didn't do much better fixing Europe after Hitler blew it up given how he stopped the Eastern Bloc from receiving aid to rebuild itself

[Rakhalia]

oh boy if it isnt the traditions of dead generations weighing like a nightmare on the brains of the living

[Stellar Colonies]

He was a criminal on the street who accomplished the greatest theft of all, that of a country.

[Orostan]

I'm NOT saying what we should do is completely ignore Stalin's contribution to the war effort (WW2)
I'm saying that people need to learn about the negatives as well, like the Holodomor and countless other mistreatments of his own people.
Thanks for taking the time to read this

Why the Holodomor Should be taught:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen ... l_schools/

Other Atrocities committed by Joseph Stalin:
https://history.howstuffworks.com/histo ... stalin.htm

Most of these never happened. Holodomor was a natural famine and there is no evidence at all that was deliberate. If you do believe it was deliberate, you must admit that the Kazakhs who suffered more in the famine were more oppressed than the Ukrainians who received disproportionate aid.

[Jewish Underground State]

For the sake of not ending up like the other 18 Million people who went to the gulags, Stalin is the best guy I met,

[Unmet Player]

Stalin was not a hero and should be never be taught as a hero

[Shermania]

He was a criminal on the street who accomplished the greatest theft of all, that of a country.

Eh... I still like Lupin III better.

[Orcuo]

Hot Take: You can talk about Stalin in a way that shows the contributions he made to WW2 and preventing the Nazi domination, while still talking about the faults of the leader and the mistakes he made. Stalin shouldn’t be viewed as a hero, but he also shouldn’t be viewed as a villain.

[Shermania]

He's as much of a hero as the guy who killed Hitler.

[HISPIDA]

depends on your definition of "hero" tbh

should his historical role be analyzed as close to neutrally as possible, showing off the benefits to his tenure as well as the negatives (the former tended to outweigh the latter tbh), emphasizing the importance of the traditional ML clique's policies to stopping nazi domination over at least eastern europe and the massive strides in modernization the VKPb made to the country over the course of a decade, alongside the fact that he let unchecked psychopaths (looking at you yezhov) and oversaw pretty unabashed failures (particularly in regards to agriculture)? of course.

should he be remembered as a monster in the veins of adolf hitler or winston churchill? absolutely not; but he also shouldn't be remembered as some paragon of virtue that singlehandedly upheld the world against the nazis

he is unfairly maligned though and the view on stalin's rule over the USSR should be taught with incredibly more tact and actual analysis than just the "HE PAID THE CLOUDS TO STOP RAINING AND PERSONALLY SHOT EVERY PURGE VICTIM!!!" schlock that gets repeated in every high school

[Jewish Underground State]

Stalin was not a hero and should be never be taught as a hero

I don't think Stalin was to pleased hearing that

[Orcuo]

Idk at this point, just tell the students the facts about Stalin, and let them decide. :/

[HISPIDA]

Idk at this point, just tell the students the facts about Stalin, and let them decide. :/

critical thinking skills? in my capitalist hellhole?