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Are you an unsuccessful man? Tired of having to initiate every social interaction/courtship and getting shot down/rejected at every turn? There are some solutions out there, one of the most radical of which is: why not try becoming a woman? Become what you previously wanted but always fail to get.

As of late, I've been fascinated by this "transmaxxing" phenomenon that is allegedly going on. Which is more or less, not becoming MtF because of identifying as trans, but specifically as a bid for personal gain and to trade a bad life for what they think will become a better one as the opposite sex. There is a small Reddit of 3,000+ unsuccessful men who're taking it upon themselves to get a sex change, in the belief that they'll find more personal gain/success as a woman than they currently do as a man, if they were born biologically male. They've essentially given up on trying to "man up" and conclude that women have it better and want to be one of them instead.

There is a 73+ page manifesto outlining the reasons for why being a woman in today's society is far superior than remaining as a man if they've failed to "measure up" to societal expectations or aren't otherwise a "Chad" in their worldview, their term for a truly masculine, dominant, assertive, and successful male who has success with women and in most other domains of life.

To keep it as PG-13 as possible, their reasons for transitioning to MtF being beneficial is as follows:

1. More beautiful to have a feminine body.
2. Access to the trans/lesbian dating pool.
3. More intense stimulus from physical touch.
4. More intense and wider range of emotions and happier on Estrogen.
5. Being able to attract cisgender lesbians (if attractive enough).
6. Being able to attract cisgender men for physical intimacy (if attractive enough).
7. Softer skin and less/no acne.
8. Live longer.
9. Being able to maybe extract money/resources from men.
10. No longer driven to do stupid/dangerous things due to testosterone.
11. Stop and reverse hair loss.
12. People will treat you better if they believe you're a woman.
13. Less likely to get killed.
14. Access to female only spaces.
15. Cheaper car insurance.

The transmaxxing manifesto has some testimonials of men who've successfully became women and have never looked back in terms of being happier than they were in their old life with before and after photos. They contend that the male gender role is broken and obsolete.

Their quote: "Let's face it, if you present as male, there's exactly one personality that will earn you social approval:Chad. Assertive, dominant, successful. Nobody will be impressed by a male that is meek, submissive and struggling. Such males are not considered gender trailblazers; they're just derided as incel NEETs. Nobody is offering an actual solution to this. Tradcons tell you to just man up. TERFs tell you to just abolish gender. Liberals deny this reality altogether. By embracing girl mode, you actually become free to be your authentic self without shame. Society at large requires men to keep grinding and struggling to keep the lights on, so obviously no serious and respectable person will encourage you to just drop down the pink vortex, but it's possibly the only thing that will actually help you if you're stuck being a shitty male with no prospects."

In addition, they discourage FtM transition because their conjecture is that this harms fertility and reproduction for our species and makes the world less beautiful, and that the end result is more beneficial if there are more MtF people but fewer FtM people out there.

Given the emergence of this recent rabbit hole, what do you make of it? Do you know anyone who's doing this online or in real life? Do you expect it to remain niche or become a bigger trend in the coming years? If it is a cry for help, what could possibly be done to keep men from giving up on being men? Are some or all of the reasons they give for it being more advantageous as a woman, valid or not?

I'm very much against sex changes in general, but do concede that it seems more viable to do MtF than FtM with our current medical technology/practices. I can't imagine going for something that is too permanent in that there is "no going back" after a certain point once it has been done. I'm very dissatisfied with what is expected of men from women and larger society, but I'm the sort to never give up my body for the world. What is your experience in terms of it being more positive or negative to be the sex/gender that you are?

https://www.piratewires.com/p/transmaxxing
-Article explaining transmaxxing more in depth (Safe for Work, so far as I can tell).

Saiwania wrote:Are you an unsuccessful man? Tired of having to initiate every social interaction/courtship and getting shot down/rejected at every turn? There are some solutions out there, one of the most radical of which is: why not try becoming a woman? Become what you previously wanted but always fail to get.

As of late, I've been fascinated by this "transmaxxing" phenomenon that is allegedly going on. Which is more or less, not becoming MtF because of identifying as trans, but specifically as a bid for personal gain and to trade a bad life for what they think will become a better one as the opposite sex. There is a small Reddit of 3,000+ unsuccessful men who're taking it upon themselves to get a sex change, in the belief that they'll find more personal gain/success as a woman than they currently do as a man, if they were born biologically male. They've essentially given up on trying to "man up" and conclude that women have it better and want to be one of them instead.

There is a 73+ page manifesto outlining the reasons for why being a woman in today's society is far superior than remaining as a man if they've failed to "measure up" to societal expectations or aren't otherwise a "Chad" in their worldview, their term for a truly masculine, dominant, assertive, and successful male who has success with women and in most other domains of life.

To keep it as PG-13 as possible, their reasons for transitioning from MtF is as follows:

1. More beautiful to have a feminine body.
2. Access to the trans/lesbian dating pool.
3. More intense stimulus from physical touch.
4. More intense and wider range of emotions and happier on Estrogen.
5. Being able to attract cisgender lesbians (if attractive enough).
6. Being able to attract cisgender men for physical intimacy (if attractive enough).
7. Softer skin and less/no acne.
8. Live longer.
9. Being able to maybe extract money/resources from men.
10. No longer driven to do stupid/dangerous things due to testosterone.
11. Stop and reverse hair loss.
12. People will treat you better if they believe you're a woman.
13. Less likely to get killed.
14. Access to female only spaces.
15. Cheaper car insurance.

The transmaxxing manifesto has some testimonials of men who've successfully became women and have never looked back in terms of being happier than they were in their old life with before and after photos. They contend that the male gender role is broken and obsolete.

Their quote: "Let's face it, if you present as male, there's exactly one personality that will earn you social approval:Chad. Assertive, dominant, successful. Nobody will be impressed by a male that is meek, submissive and struggling. Such males are not considered gender trailblazers; they're just derided as incel NEETs. Nobody is offering an actual solution to this. Tradcons tell you to just man up. TERFs tell you to just abolish gender. Liberals deny this reality altogether. By embracing girl mode, you actually become free to be your authentic self without shame. Society at large requires men to keep grinding and struggling to keep the lights on, so obviously no serious and respectable person will encourage you to just drop down the pink vortex, but it's possibly the only thing that will actually help you if you're stuck being a shitty male with no prospects."

In addition, they discourage FtM transition because their conjecture is that this harms fertility and reproduction for our species and makes the world less beautiful, and that the end result is more beneficial if there are more MtF people but fewer FtM people out there.

Given the emergence of this recent rabbit hole, what do you make of it? Do you know anyone who's doing this online or in real life? Do you expect it to remain niche or become a bigger trend in the coming years? If it is a cry for help, what could possibly be done to keep men from giving up on being men? Are some or all of the reasons they give for it being more advantageous as a woman, valid or not?

I'm very much against sex changes in general, but do concede that it seems more viable to do MtF than FtM with our current medical technology/practices. I can't imagine going for something that is too permanent in that there is "no going back" after a certain point once it has been done. I'm very dissatisfied with what is expected of men from women and larger society, but I'm the sort to never give up my body for the world. What is your experience in terms of it being more positive or negative to be the sex/gender that you are?

I just fucking logged in. I just logged in and this shit is the first thing I see.
What a great start to a day, I will enjoy this new comedy routine by Saiwania

Being MtF, you are still biologically male, even if you rightfully (not in this case but most) identify as female. You still have acne, You still get the same stimulus from physical tough, you still live the length a man would, you don't lose any less hair. I think. And the rest of these are bullshit thinly veiled sexist "misandry" bullshit. I know you've failed to attract a girl, you've said that much numerous times, that doesn't mean women are all privileged and you're oppressed or some shit.
There's so many more non-arguments and shit in this post but I seriously don't have the effort.

Saiwania wrote:Given the emergence of this recent rabbit hole, what do you make of it? Do you know anyone who's doing this online or in real life? Do you expect it to remain niche or become a bigger trend in the coming years? If it is a cry for help, what could possibly be done to keep men from giving up on being men? Are some or all of the reasons they give for it being more advantageous as a woman, valid or not?

To keep it brief, the only answer available to me consists of two words: come again?

That plan to leave NS lasted long didnt it

This is something where you will see things that should not exist.

While I support people who desire to transition because of genuine gender dysphoria, transitioning because you think sex and relationships will be easier to find as a woman is just these incels asking for more mental health issues further down the road when their plan doesn't work out. But then again, the incels who are considering gender transition as the solution to their problem may have underlying gender dysphoria as well.

Mfers will literally become a woman instead of washing their asses.

Hey guys, I'm back from NS jail, what'd I mi-


Hm.

Ifreann wrote:Mfers will literally become a woman instead of washing their asses.

The plan fails even then, because they probably admire the success of women who wash their asses.

Women can have it rough too, and I am pretty sure that escaping from your problems won't work. People won't want you to be a gigachad if they see you're a woman, but at work, they still want the same work done. Does not change anything, and the situation is only further aggravated. As for the people who actually liked their new life as a woman... Good for them. I still wouldn't recommend it if your reason has nothing to do with gender dysphoria.

Alright fine, I'll bite.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, should even be considering medically transitioning if they are not diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a medical professional. It's not a quick fix to your life issues. It is a serious decision to permanently alter your physical body, often in ways that not even surgery can fully undo. The only reason to do this is to alleviate the distress that comes with dysphoria, otherwise you can actually cause dysphoria. Even people who have gender dysphoria should be seriously considering the path of medically transitioning to make sure it is something they are fully aware of the consequences of. I say this out of a genuine concern and care for people, because this directly affects your physical and mental wellbeing.

That aside, men attempting to become women for the sole reason of "increasing their chances" doesn't actually solve their stated issue in how men who look a certain way are treated because of it. Of course, there can obviously be other issues (their behavior and attitude towards women, etc.), but they either disregard this or are oblivious to it, so making that argument against them doesn't do much.

This is really being advertised by and to men who have mentally boxed themselves in to a state of hopelessness when it comes to romantic relationships as a way to try and become a different person, as they have convinced themselves that they will never be loved.

If it wasn't already obvious, please please do not do this. It will not help you.

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Ifreann wrote:Mfers will literally become a woman instead of washing their asses.

The plan fails even then, because they probably admire the success of women who wash their asses.

No no, you see they can't take a shower because every single time they try to go near it, they automatically teleport back to their bedroom with their computer. The SYSTEM has failed them.

Fuck the wha?

what the fuck is this and why did we need to know

Saiwania wrote:Are you an unsuccessful man?

I wouldn't say so. I work a skilled job, which I enjoy and which I'm good at. It pays well. I own a car that most people would consider cool, and I'm on track to move out of my parents home before June.

Tired of having to initiate every social interaction/courtship and getting shot down/rejected at every turn?

It's the way of the world. It doesn't bother me.

There are some solutions out there, one of the most radical of which is: why not try becoming a woman?

Ah. No thank you.

[citation needed]

I think you need to adjust your noise filter a bit so thoughts like this don't go out into the wild. Tune it just right and only the sensical thoughts can be heard/seen.

Transmaxxing was, and remains, an abusive scheme to lure lonely and mentally unwell men into a discord server where they could be doxxed, abused, and blackmailed for sick sexual purposes.

It originated on 4chan's r9k board. It's honestly pretty disgusting, and should not be engaged with as though it were a serious philosophy or some idea to actually try to help and empower people.

Vexilia wrote:I think you need to adjust your noise filter a bit so thoughts like this don't go out into the wild. Tune it just right and only the sensical thoughts can be heard/seen.

He's a self-described eco-fascist. How many sensible thoughts can there really be?

Least wild NSG thread

Tbh he ain’t trolling there are incells who read way way too much hentia who think this will work .

Welp, I suppose the nazi routine wasn't getting people to bite anymore.

13. Less likely to get killed.

lol, lmao.

this copypasta is laughably bad

I sincerely hope that you don't actually mean any of this. It would make whatever problems you have so much worse. And if anyone is reading this, don't do it, it's a horrible idea.