Transmaxxing

[Stellar Colonies]

Not to sound nitpicky, but men do get attacked more in that context.

In what context?

On the streets at night.

It's not really an attempt at a gotcha or anything because I don't want to give credence to OP.

[Grenartia]

In what context?

On the streets at night.

Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit, given that rape exists.

[Stellar Colonies]

On the streets at night.

Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit, given that rape exists.

If you are specifically referring to reported rates of rape, then you would be correct, although most rape doesn't occur on the street.

I was interpreting the post as just being attacked on the street as a general term.

[Dylar]

He has considered and firmly rejected this.

And every job of every sort which I've tried, I don't find any fulfillment in.

y'know there's this neat establishment called community college that opens you up to white-collar careers. you should try it sometime

[Terra dei Cittadini]

Personally, I'm a supporter of sex changes.

Like, if someone's identity doesn't correspond with their sex, then they have the liberty to get the care to treat that dysphoria.
In fact, HRT is proven to reduce suicide among transgender youth who receive it prior to adulthood (Hurwitz).

So, yeah. If it diminishes suicide/self-harm among trans youth, then why prohibit it?

The only reason one would block such a lifesaving treatment is hate; hate is a deleterious force that suppresses the minority and nazifies the majority.
It led to events such as the Rwandan Genocide, Third Reich, and other historical atrocities that ought to be acknowledged, not buried.

Let's prevent hate from overtaking society, folx.

However, one should only be granted access to such services if they are legitimately experiencing gender dysphoria. This creates an issue that interferes with speedy access to HRT, all thanks to incels who illicitly desire such care.

In conclusion, HRT is superb; those who illegitimately seek are not.

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Sources Cited:
Hurwitz, Sophie. "Earlier HRT Access Linked to Better Mental Health Outcomes for Trans Teens" Verywellmind, 3 Jan. 2022, https://www.verywellmind.com/hrt-trans-teens-5216760. Accessed 1 Jan. 1970.

[Uan aa Boa]

Their quote: "Let's face it, if you present as male, there's exactly one personality that will earn you social approval:Chad. Assertive, dominant, successful. Nobody will be impressed by a male that is meek, submissive and struggling. Such males are not considered gender trailblazers; they're just derided as incel NEETs. Nobody is offering an actual solution to this. Tradcons tell you to just man up. TERFs tell you to just abolish gender. Liberals deny this reality altogether. By embracing girl mode, you actually become free to be your authentic self without shame.

Here's what I don't get about the incel "community" - you've got a space full of men who claim that toxic masculine stereotypes are bad, but who also think they're universal. Doesn't the existence of that space prove that they're not? Why not be your authentic self within that stereotype-rejecting community, without any transitioning needed?

The problem may be that far from actually rejecting the Chad stereotype you'd adopt that role without a backward glance if you could.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit, given that rape exists.

If you are specifically referring to reported rates of rape, then you would be correct, although most rape doesn't occur on the street.

I was interpreting the post as just being attacked on the street as a general term.

Yeah... The whole "women shouldn't walk by themselves" trope is mostly just a socially acceptable way of saying "women should not have any independence."

Maybe it depends on where you live, but in China and most Western countries, there is no reason why women should be more careful than men about walking by themselves.

[Alcala-Cordel]

What the hell did I just read?

Incels are incels because they're assholes, or because they don't put in any effort. Transitioning isn't gonna change that, and it also isn't an easy thing to do.

[El Lazaro]

Is this a very longwinded way of coming out?

I'm as straight and cisgender male as I've always been, but I do wonder about the people who're driven to resort to what this is discussing if they're too dissatisfied with having the male gender role and sex because of negative experiences/outcomes they're getting whilst being a male? Someone who seriously goes for this, presumably isn't scared off from attempting what is very permanent and irreversible.

That’s not very convincing tbh

[Kannap]

Less likely to be Killed? Maybe, but women have statistically higher chances of getting raped than men, so good luck with that

However, trans people are four times more likely to be killed than cisgender people.

Is this a very longwinded way of coming out?

I'm as straight and cisgender male as I've always been, but I do wonder about the people who're driven to resort to what this is discussing if they're too dissatisfied with having the male gender role and sex because of negative experiences/outcomes they're getting whilst being a male? Someone who seriously goes for this, presumably isn't scared off from attempting what is very permanent and irreversible.

If they genuinely feel miserable being a male because they have dysphoria, then congrats to them on transitioning. Otherwise, like, transitioning isn't going to make somebody happy just because they can't get laid or whatever the fuck. Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

[Kannap]

This is like asking, "if someone believes the sky is a carpet, woven by god, wouldn't they logically oppose the space program?"

Maybe. But why should we be entertaining the logical consequences of dumb ideas?

I ask you in particular. As someone who entertains dumb ideas as a lifestyle choice.

Depends. What fabric is the carpet?

Orange shag

[Kainin]

I feel like a few of those 15 "benefits" are wrong

I just have this feeling

[Kannap]

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[Saiwania]

Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

The idea is that they've failed to have enough "game" as a man, but that they don't have to as a woman if they're pretty enough. They could plausibly get laid easier if they can fool a cisgender male into thinking they're a woman or if they're with a lesbian, to be what is called a "trap" or to be unique/someone's fetish in terms of body type.

[Kainin]

Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

The idea is that they've failed to have enough "game" as a man, but that they don't have to as a woman if they're pretty enough. They could plausibly get laid easier if they can fool a cisgender male into thinking they're a woman or if they're with a lesbian, to be what is called a "trap" or to be unique/someone's fetish in terms of body type.

The ultimate trap

Anyways could you tell me how getting the surgery makes them pretty?

[The Holy Therns]

Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

The idea is that they've failed to have enough "game" as a man, but that they don't have to as a woman if they're pretty enough. They could plausibly get laid easier if they can fool a cisgender male into thinking they're a woman or if they're with a lesbian, to be what is called a "trap" or to be unique/someone's fetish in terms of body type.

Saiwania, the How People Work Knower.

[USS Monitor]

Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

The idea is that they've failed to have enough "game" as a man, but that they don't have to as a woman if they're pretty enough. They could plausibly get laid easier if they can fool a cisgender male into thinking they're a woman or if they're with a lesbian, to be what is called a "trap" or to be unique/someone's fetish in terms of body type.

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

[Kannap]

Congrats, you're (general "you") now a woman and still can't get laid because you're still a shitty misogynist.

The idea is that they've failed to have enough "game" as a man, but that they don't have to as a woman if they're pretty enough.

Everything you say about these types of guys, which I'm still not entirely convinced you aren't just completely inventing on the fly, just convinces me more than they sound like the problem is their behavior, attitude, actions, and worldview are shitty and that that is the problem. Transitioning isn't going to fix their personality and make them more likable.

(1) They could plausibly get laid easier if they can fool a cisgender male into thinking they're a woman or (2) if they're with a lesbian

1. The best outcome of lying to and manipulating somebody (I suppose what you'd call 'fooling') is you get yelled at and kicked out of their home or they leave (if at your home). The worst outcome is you get the absolute shit beaten out of you and/or killed by the person that you slept with and that's how they learned you were trans. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in where you seriously think trans people can just get away with tricking their sexual partners into believing they're cis or, further, that they would knowingly attempt to do this given that they already know this is just how trans people get killed. And they know that it has happened so often that there is a so-called "trans panic defense" that gets used to defend the murderer.

This just sounds like being gay with extra steps, just download Grindr and go to town without all the trying-to-get-brutally-murdered-tonight aspect of your hookup.

2. Again, I'm convinced - from what I've heard so far - that these unsuccessful "incel" types are just miserable people to be around because of their personality, shitty behavior/actions, shitty worldview, etc. If they're just a terrible person and nobody wants to date them because of that, being a girl isn't going to fix that, trying to change their dating partners isn't going to fix themselves. Hell, if they've got this small incel community of likeminded folks, maybe they should just try dating each other. Are they so insufferable that they don't even like each other?

to be what is called a "trap" or to be unique/someone's fetish in terms of body type.

That's a completely different thing, and certainly doesn't require taking hormones or transitioning. But no more about your weird kinks, please.

[The Orson Empire]

Are you an unsuccessful man? Tired of having to initiate every social interaction/courtship and getting shot down/rejected at every turn? There are some solutions out there, one of the most radical of which is: why not try becoming a woman? Become what you previously wanted but always fail to get...

You'll never stop promoting this insane incel ideology, will you?

These people you're talking about need to change their terrible personalities, not their bodies. That is the core issue.

[Saiwania]

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

[The Holy Therns]

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

That's not how anything works, man.

[Techocracy101010]

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

kinda sad our society breaks people this badly but hey we made the elites tons of money . I am sure in no way ever will the increasing hyper normalization of rampant mental illness will never come back to haunt us .

[Wallenburg]

Saiwania once again gracing us with his infinite wisdom in very real things and incredibly compelling arguments as to why we really should just give fascism a chance.

[USS Monitor]

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

Are we assuming all of these people are bisexual?

Cos a cishet man would just be grossed out.

[Rhodevus]

If they're not genuinely trans, then why would they want this?

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

do you know how many trans women pass? because the answer is not the majority.
not even that, you as a man, would give up your male privilege, such as: being more likely to be listened to in the workplace, likely to make more money for the same positions, more likely to get raises, benefits, or increased job titles, less likely to get raped or sexually assaulted, lack of fear (or less fear) of walking alone at night, not needing to shave everything at all times, not needing to wear makeup lest people think you are 'tired' or 'in a mood', being able to get angry without being thought of as PMS or similar, etc.

for the ability to get free drinks or meals at bars? which is much less common than the average dude thinks it is?
that doesn't sound like a great deal. And I say that as someone who is actively trying to get rid of my male privilege.

To try to get female privilege, such as it supposedly exists in wider society. Men are typically valued for their money/utility and if they're a low earner or unappealing or both, they've got no chance. If people think they're a woman however, they could get free drinks/meals and money/favors/etc. from men who're fooled if not from lesbians if they like how pretty they are if they can pass in their new female body.

Are we assuming all of these people are bisexual?

Cos a cishet man would just be grossed out.

you don't need to be bi to like trans women. cishet men can like trans women and still be straight