Feminism and How I don't Care

[Callisdrun]

...This happens to me in videogames a lot. If a guy plays badly, everyone says "Dude, you suck." If I play badly, there will always be at least one person who says, "Dude, girls suck at videogames."

Or the reverse, "Dude! You should have seen Jenny play SoulCalibur, she was amazing!!" (i.e., Jenny managed to beat one boy.)

The longer I live, the more I realise just how much of a bubble I live in being a middle-class WASP.

My sister and my best friend are both better at video games than I am.

Did I just lose my guy card?

[Callisdrun]

...This happens to me in videogames a lot. If a guy plays badly, everyone says "Dude, you suck." If I play badly, there will always be at least one person who says, "Dude, girls suck at videogames."

Or the reverse, "Dude! You should have seen Jenny play SoulCalibur, she was amazing!!" (i.e., Jenny managed to beat one boy.)

The longer I live, the more I realise just how much of a bubble I live in being a middle-class WASP.

Not to mention when a man fails at something, he is seen as disgrace to men. I just love the whiny feminists who say A but hold back the B

He is? Since when? What century are you living in?

My failing at video games and basketball makes me a disgrace to men?

[Farnhamia]

...This happens to me in videogames a lot. If a guy plays badly, everyone says "Dude, you suck." If I play badly, there will always be at least one person who says, "Dude, girls suck at videogames."

Or the reverse, "Dude! You should have seen Jenny play SoulCalibur, she was amazing!!" (i.e., Jenny managed to beat one boy.)

The longer I live, the more I realise just how much of a bubble I live in being a middle-class WASP.

Not to mention when a man fails at something, he is seen as disgrace to men. I just love the whiny feminists who say A but hold back the B

He is? Since when? What century are you living in?

My failing at video games and basketball makes me a disgrace to men?

To straight men, anyway. I wouldn't give much weight to the pompous statements of a 19-year-old like Central S. He's probably not getting a lot of the B at the moment.

[Drug Using Commies]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

God you're a fucking idiot. Seriously, I don't think there is a single intelligent, enlightening thought in this whole OP. The fact that you have the cognitive capabilities to use the internet is itself astounding.

[Treznor]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

God you're a fucking idiot. Seriously, I don't think there is a single intelligent, enlightening thought in this whole OP. The fact that you have the cognitive capabilities to use the internet is itself astounding.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

[Top Beer]

...This happens to me in videogames a lot. If a guy plays badly, everyone says "Dude, you suck." If I play badly, there will always be at least one person who says, "Dude, girls suck at videogames."

Or the reverse, "Dude! You should have seen Jenny play SoulCalibur, she was amazing!!" (i.e., Jenny managed to beat one boy.)

Yeah some guys act so surprised when I do well.
Then if I play a game I'm crap at, they'll say 'You were just unlucky, have another go.' 'Umm...well you didn't do so bad then, you nearly got it.' 'Oh wow, you didn't come last this time. You're getting really good at this.'
WTF guys, I'm not going to cry just because I suck at a game. I don't mind a little banter.

[Voerdeland]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

[Drug Using Commies]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

[Voerdeland]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

[Farnhamia]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

Very true. I would siggest that you are, however, quite mistaken as to what the definition of "feminism" is. You might find consulting a dictionary useful.

[Panzerjaeger]

Feminism is all about keeping the Man down and not bringing him sammichs on time. It is complete and utter anarchy and madness! Repress the Women before they get silly ideas such as voting and equality!
/Adjust Top Hat and Monocle

[Drug Using Commies]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

So dont care.


Youre an idiot. Hows that for direct?

[Panzerjaeger]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

So dont care.


Youre an idiot. Hows that for direct?

A little young for suicide by mod aren't we?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Feminism = Female chauvinism

It must be nice to be so ignorant.

A friendly reminder: in the past mods have ruled this to be flaming and actionable. Remember to attack the argument, not the person making the argument and you'll do fine.

So dont care.


Youre an idiot. Hows that for direct?

Final straw in reviewing the majority of your posts. *** Warned for Flaming ***
Is this direct enough a tap to convince you to review your posting style? Your term on the forums will be decidedly short-lived if not.

[Chumblywumbly]

...This happens to me in videogames a lot. If a guy plays badly, everyone says "Dude, you suck." If I play badly, there will always be at least one person who says, "Dude, girls suck at videogames."

Or the reverse, "Dude! You should have seen Jenny play SoulCalibur, she was amazing!!" (i.e., Jenny managed to beat one boy.)

The longer I live, the more I realise just how much of a bubble I live in being a middle-class WASP.

My sister and my best friend are both better at video games than I am.

Did I just lose my guy card?

Yes.

Come join me and the other blokes who know nothing about football.

[Dempublicents1]

If somebody asked me to sum up who I am in a single sentence, you better believe "scientist" would appear somewhere in that sentence. Hell, the reason that my thesis work has been such a nightmare is because so much of my identity is tied in to my work...walking away from my thesis would mean walking away from a part of who I am, which is a lot more serious to me than simply leaving a job!

Sometimes I think you're my alter-ego living in a different universe or something.

Your wife seems to have odd ideas about what constitutes cheating. My ladyfriend and I are pretty open about the fact that we find other people attractive, and sometimes will have conversations about various hot people we've seen.

Seriously. My husband and I sometimes check out people together. =)

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

Ah, reading further in, I find that you don't actually have any explanation other than bigotry for why women should be excluded.

No way could I read a book on Feminism. Or any ideology really - the sensible part can usually be summed up in one or two sentences (e.g. "men and women should have equal rights") and anything more is going to be crap.

I don't know if this is true of you, but I've found that people who say stuff like this usually just don't want to acknowledge the areas in which men and women are not treated as equal.

[Utvara]

WTF is with all the anti-feminism threads?

I am a proud male feminist. I can't comment on the specific book mentioned in the OP, but other works I have read by bell hooks have been quite persuasive.

Regardless:

1. We live in a sexist society that enforces gender roles hurting all genders.

2. Feminists (with perhaps fringe exceptions that I'd disqualify from feminism) seek to shatter the oppression of all genders by gender roles AND equity among all genders.

Why does this twist so many bollocks?

20 pages later, and this is still all that needs to be said.

[Ryadn]

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

[Dempublicents1]

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Oh! It all makes sense now!

[Chumblywumbly]

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Childhood...?

[Farnhamia]

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Oh! It all makes sense now!

It does! All that practice writing their names in the snow, or just handling that Hose! One does wonder why they can't actually hit the center of the bowl, however.

[Ryadn]

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Childhood...?

This is why we don't want to shake hands.

[Ryadn]

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Oh! It all makes sense now!

It does! All that practice writing their names in the snow, or just handling that Hose! One does wonder why they can't actually hit the center of the bowl, however.

But really, how often do you need to hit one specific spot on a burning building?

[Farnhamia]

I don't understand what you mean by being excluded from a job. If you mean the fire brigade and suchlike, then it's really quite obvious.

Something about having female genitalia makes a person unable to carry out the tasks associated with firefighting? Do tell.

It's because we lack all those valuable years of experience that men get in childhood, pretending their penises are fire hoses.

Oh! It all makes sense now!

It does! All that practice writing their names in the snow, or just handling that Hose! One does wonder why they can't actually hit the center of the bowl, however.

But really, how often do you need to hit one specific spot on a burning building?

Oh, I don't know, it might come in handy now and then ...

[Drug Using Commies]

Is this direct enough a tap to convince you to review your posting style?

Nope.

Your term on the forums will be decidedly short-lived if not.

So?