Feminism and How I don't Care

[Hathradic States]

Scheisse, some people need to get the corncobs removed from their ears . (Since this is sight based, I guess removed from the position of having said corncobs jabbed into eyes).

Every law should be voted upon by the people.

When they are voted upon by the fools in Congress, they will only serve the Congressmen's desires. After all, every man is truely out for himself.

I believe firmly in no central government. Period. Why do we need people in some distant city who care only about money and getting reelected decide what is best for us?

Why is tyranny of the many better than tyranny of the few?

It is not tyranny when the people are with it.

It can be. 'The people' are not a hive mind, after all.

Thank Dog we aren't

[Georgism]

Scheisse, some people need to get the corncobs removed from their ears . (Since this is sight based, I guess removed from the position of having said corncobs jabbed into eyes).

Every law should be voted upon by the people.

When they are voted upon by the fools in Congress, they will only serve the Congressmen's desires. After all, every man is truely out for himself.

I believe firmly in no central government. Period. Why do we need people in some distant city who care only about money and getting reelected decide what is best for us?

Why is tyranny of the many better than tyranny of the few?

It is not tyranny when the people are with it.

It can be. 'The people' are not a hive mind, after all.

Thank Dog we aren't

Meh, wouldn't be much of a big deal if we were.

[Rolamec]

To clarify, I don't think it is fair for men or women who are either considered pigs or sluts for their many sexual partners. I think it's unjust if a guy who has sex a lot is considered a stud, however when women do so they are whores. It isn't right, and I don't advocate for it. Sex is sex, enjoy it. And there is nothing wrong if you do, regardless of what gender you be. But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently. And therefore unable to understand why feminism is right. It's not true.

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

[Chumblywumbly]

...But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently. And therefore unable to understand why feminism is right. It's not true.

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

I don't see how you could have gathered that simply from one girl's comment in (what I presume was) school.

[Soheran]

But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently.

So how often does this happen?

[Rolamec]

...But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently. And therefore unable to understand why feminism is right. It's not true.

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

I don't see how you could have gathered that simply from one girl's comment in (what I presume was) school.

It's as I said, we read the book. Did a little discussion. It got heated, she said that.

[Rolamec]

But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently.

So how often does this happen?

Well I go UW, which is pretty liberal, so more than I would like. Especially when I'm involved in some clubs.

[Chumblywumbly]

...But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently. And therefore unable to understand why feminism is right. It's not true.

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

I don't see how you could have gathered that simply from one girl's comment in (what I presume was) school.

It's as I said, we read the book. Did a little discussion. It got heated, she said that.

And from this lone comment you deduce that the entire of feminist theory - a wide and diverse body of thought - advocates the superiority of women?

[Rolamec]

...But I get annoyed though when I'm arguing in class with another girl about sexism, and than she calls me a "chauvinist pig" because I have a reputation for having sex frequently. And therefore unable to understand why feminism is right. It's not true.

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

I don't see how you could have gathered that simply from one girl's comment in (what I presume was) school.

It's as I said, we read the book. Did a little discussion. It got heated, she said that.

And from this lone comment you deduce that the entire of feminist theory - a wide and diverse body of thought - advocates the superiority of women?

No. That single comment is why I mentioned it in the OP (being referred to as a "chauvinist pig" for multiple sexual partners).

[Soheran]

Well I go UW, which is pretty liberal, so more than I would like. Especially when I'm involved in some clubs.

Wait, your replies to Chumblywumbly are confusing me.

Is this one incident, or several?

[Greater Phenia]

I understand sexism, and I think it's wrong. But I think feminism is promoting a specific gender, and therefore loses justification in claiming to want equality. It prefers superiority.

Well, you're just wrong. Feminism doesn't promote the superiority of one gender over another.

[Unilisia]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

I thought you said Mel Brooks lol.

Anyway, being a girl, I can also care less. You make a valid point, and I hope I never read that book now O.o

Anywho yeah everyone should be equal yada yada yada but were still better cuz we can makez babehz

then again... oww

[Rolamec]

Well I go UW, which is pretty liberal, so more than I would like. Especially when I'm involved in some clubs.

Wait, your replies to Chumblywumbly are confusing me.

Is this one incident, or several?

lol. Okay. Um, yeah there are certain women at my college that do not like me. And they have told me so. So I am trying to take that experience, along with reading this book, and trying to shape my views of feminism (and therefore concluding, I don't care for it). I am all for ending sexism. Just not promoting any single gender over another.

[Treznor]

Well I go UW, which is pretty liberal, so more than I would like. Especially when I'm involved in some clubs.

Wait, your replies to Chumblywumbly are confusing me.

Is this one incident, or several?

lol. Okay. Um, yeah there are certain women at my college that do not like me. And they have told me so. So I am trying to take that experience, along with reading this book, and trying to shape my views of feminism (and therefore concluding, I don't care for it). I am all for ending sexism. Just not promoting any single gender over another.

Have you tried picking their brains to figure out why they don't like you? For example, if they're invoking feminism or similar principles, could your behavior be misconstrued as chauvinist?

[Rolamec]

Well I go UW, which is pretty liberal, so more than I would like. Especially when I'm involved in some clubs.

Wait, your replies to Chumblywumbly are confusing me.

Is this one incident, or several?

lol. Okay. Um, yeah there are certain women at my college that do not like me. And they have told me so. So I am trying to take that experience, along with reading this book, and trying to shape my views of feminism (and therefore concluding, I don't care for it). I am all for ending sexism. Just not promoting any single gender over another.

Have you tried picking their brains to figure out why they don't like you? For example, if they're invoking feminism or similar principles, could your behavior be misconstrued as chauvinist?

My behavior is "chauvinist" according to them, because I have sex, and sometimes (usually) I don't call them back. Or I kind of move on...

[Soheran]

Um, yeah there are certain women at my college that do not like me. And they have told me so.

I'm sorry. There are people who do not like me, too. What does it have to do with feminism?

So I am trying to take that experience, along with reading this book, and trying to shape my views of feminism (and therefore concluding, I don't care for it). I am all for ending sexism. Just not promoting any single gender over another.

So does bell hooks, in her book, promote female supremacy?

[Treznor]

My behavior is "chauvinist" according to them, because I have sex, and sometimes (usually) I don't call them back. Or I kind of move on...

Ah. So you're rude, inconsiderate and give the impression that you objectify women. Hmm...now why would they possibly consider you a chauvinist?

[Kayliea]

oh and what the OP really means by "Feminism and How I don't Care" is - "i only care about me, me, me. - please post some masculist/antifeminist bullshit ITT".

Its in human nature not to give a damn about others. Im quite sure deep down, you could care less if every poster in nationstates dropped dead.

i would find it sad if anyone died, unless they were bad people e.g. misogynists.

Well dang, we should just kill all Bad People^TM

i'm not against the idea

Duh. You Authoritarians are all the same really.

i'm an anarchist!

[Tokos]

Well, you're just wrong. Feminism doesn't promote the superiority of one gender over another.

Correct. Rather, it promotes the near-meaningless ideal of "equality" on an ideological rather than factual basis, where none naturally exists.

Ah. So you're rude, inconsiderate and give the impression that you objectify women.

By going for a one night stand with a man, a woman objectifies herself, because she is presenting to him nothing but her body.

To put it another way, no one has one night stands because of personality.

[Ryadn]

I don't. I really like lesbians...ahhhh.....y'know....doing stuff and me watching them.

I don't judge them as being immoral or any of that nonsense, but I just don't understand the appeal of lesbianism nor do I find it personally appealing. I actually do understand heterosexuals and male homosexuals.

If most of your exposure to lesbian sex is commercial porn, I can understand that. It makes me cringe.

[Cyndonian Legion]

I only care insomuch that I'm willing to post a reply that I simply do not care. The not caring part pretty much starts after that and covers all else.

[Ryadn]

I consider myself a paleofeminist, "dictionary feminist", or "Feminist Classic". I disagree with the anti-sex, anti-porn, anti-prostitution, pro-legalization-of-abortion strand of feminism that seems to be popular now.

Um, I'm not sure what feminist circles (not squares, those are masculine) you're hanging about it....but anti-sex, anti-porn, anti-prostitution are not common or popular stances in most mainstream feminism anymore. Those stances have been relegated to certain radical feminist groups, which I think make some excellent arguments actually. They don't argue that it's an issue of morality, they argue that these structures are so inherently abusive and exploitative, that the idea of a woman 'freely choosing' to participate in them is basically an oxymoron. I don't agree with them 100%, but I do absolutely see where they're coming from. I think other feminists approach the issue from a 'we can change things from the inside' perspective. All feminists want to remove the exploitative and abusive nature of these systems...they just don't agree on how that should be best done.

This, this, this. I don't agree 100% either, but it's certainly a valid viewpoint and worth exploring, if only so many didn't take it as an attempt to blame. It's the same deal with white privilege: if we even explore the existence of these things it's interpreted by some as an indictment and received with hostility.

[Chumblywumbly]

Well, you're just wrong. Feminism doesn't promote the superiority of one gender over another.

Correct. Rather, it promotes the near-meaningless ideal of "equality" on an ideological rather than factual basis, where none naturally exists.

What is (near-)meaningless about promoting the ideal that men and women should be considered as moral equals?

Wollstonecraft's spinning.

[Ryadn]

I am not necessarily a fan of Judith Butler--I think her writing style is obnoxious and her ideas, when well-founded, are not anywhere near as new or as radical as she seems to think...

Quite (.pdf).

I do adore what I've read of Nussbaum. Her essay on Objectivism was the highlight of my Philosophy of Sex class.

[Offenheim]

By going for a one night stand with a man, a woman objectifies herself, because she is presenting to him nothing but her body.

To put it another way, no one has one night stands because of personality.

It takes two to tango.