Feminism and How I don't Care

[Rolamec]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

[South Lorenya]

Equal rights for both genders is needed; unfortunately, many feminists want superior rights for women...

On a side note, my mind automatically spoonerized Bell Hooks into Hell Books.

[Port Arcana]

I think I'm somehow an evolutionary psychologist and a feminist at the same time. The former trumps the latter during conflicting issues though.

You'll probably hate this website.

http://www.contexts.org

[NERVUN]

*Reads the OP, pulls blanket over head* Oh this isn't gonna end well...

[Ashmoria]

i havent read it so i dont care either

[Zeyad]

*Reads the OP, pulls blanket over head* Oh this isn't gonna end well...

When a moderator flinches, you know things won't end well...

[WWII History Geeks]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

I once had a professor that was really big on feminism. I myself don't consider myself a feminist, but I don't think we should be abused, even if we may be...well, placed under men in order to help them.

[Po0oh]

I think it is a very prevalent plague among many other sociological problems plaguing the dynamics of interactions. Shit there are thing's that many mid-western American men will not allow to cross their mind because it's simply not manly-enough. Like going to college (lolz), to say you don't care is understandable, but to at least acknowledge the problem is something I think you need to do in the introductory post.

[Takaram]

*Reads the OP, pulls blanket over head* Oh this isn't gonna end well...

That's an encouraging statement.

Anyway, I'm afraid I must agree with you. Women deserve the same as men, both positive and negative. Although, to be fair, a woman with many sexual partners is usually called a slut...

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

I once had a professor that was really big on feminism. I myself don't consider myself a feminist, but I don't think we should be abused, even if we may be...well, placed under men in order to help them.

*Chuckles*

[Soheran]

men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

Haha... you think the sexual double standard is unfair to you?

[Neo Art]

When oh when will men be given a fair shake in our society

[The Parkus Empire]

I once had a professor that was really big on feminism. I myself don't consider myself a feminist, but I don't think we should be abused, even if we may be...well, placed under men in order to help them.

Suddenly I feel like giving Lilith a pat on the back.

[Pythria]

I just finished reading "Feminism is For Everybody: Passionate Politics" by Bell Hooks (assigned in a class by a professor), and you know what? I could honestly care less...

Do not be mistaken. I respect females and I believe they should be treated equal. And while this book claims to want to "end sexism," I see it nearly as an attack on society, a promotion of socialism, and somehow tying patriarchies with capitalism. I agree that women should get paid the same amount for equal work. I agree women should not be discriminated against in the workforce. But at the same time, give me a break.

Men usually get screwed over during divorces; women have the advantage of claiming rape when it wasn't (not always, but alot); and men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

What I think annoyed me most is that the book seems to blame all the woes of women on capitalism and patriarchies. And while both are highly imperfect in many, many ways, that doesn't necessarily warrant the blame there.

So NSG what do you think of feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? If so why? If not, why not?

I completely agree. This is a first.

Hey, where's Kayliea? This is the perfect thread for her!

[Skaladora]

I for one welcome our new boobies-waving overlords.

...What?

[United Dependencies]

When oh when will men be given a fair shake in our society

As soon as we get rid of our Feminazi oppresors who want to use artificial insemination to end a need for men.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Haha... you think the sexual double standard is unfair to you?

The double standards in society hurt men and women.

[Big Jim P]

Feminism: Remembering to say thank you when your woman brings you your sammich.

[NERVUN]

I once had a professor that was really big on feminism. I myself don't consider myself a feminist, but I don't think we should be abused, even if we may be...well, placed under men in order to help them.

Suddenly I feel like giving Lilith a pat on the back.

Lilith was just misunderstood. If Adam had REALLY been thinking, he would have just lied back and enjoyed the show.

In all seriousness, I find that the usual attempts to equate the patriarchy to capitalism to be rather suspect (They usually fall along the lines of if women were in charge, we'd all be living in a nice happy commune). However, I also don't see a lot of the points that the OP raised either.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Feminism: Remembering to say thank you when your woman brings you your sammich.

You're a monster. That's okay, I am too.

[The Cat-Tribe]

WTF is with all the anti-feminism threads?

I am a proud male feminist. I can't comment on the specific book mentioned in the OP, but other works I have read by bell hooks have been quite persuasive.

Regardless:

1. We live in a sexist society that enforces gender roles hurting all genders.

2. Feminists (with perhaps fringe exceptions that I'd disqualify from feminism) seek to shatter the oppression of all genders by gender roles AND equity among all genders.

Why does this twist so many bollocks?

[Desperate Measures]

I once had a professor that was really big on feminism. I myself don't consider myself a feminist, but I don't think we should be abused, even if we may be...well, placed under men in order to help them.

Suddenly I feel like giving Lilith a pat on the back.

Good luck getting to her. She is WAY busy creating demon spawn.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

WTF is with all the anti-feminism threads?

I am a proud male feminist. I can't comment on the specific book mentioned in the OP, but other works I have read by bell hooks have been quite persuasive.

Regardless:

1. We live in a sexist society that enforces gender roles hurting all genders.

2. Feminists (with perhaps fringe exceptions that I'd disqualify from feminism) seek to shatter the oppression of all genders by gender roles AND equity among all genders.

Why does this twist so many bollocks?

I think a lot of people associate feminism with the extremist vocal minority like the feminist separatists.

[NERVUN]

WTF is with all the anti-feminism threads?

It's spring when a young man's fancy turns to thoughts of love and when said love might be rejected they come to NSG to rant about feminism?

[Zombie PotatoHeads]

men have to live in a world where if you happen to have a lot of sexual partners, your considered a sexist and somehow a "chauvinist pig."

I haven't really noticed that. It's usually more most people think of him as some sort of stud. A woman on the other hand who does the same is thought of as a slut or whore.

[Soheran]

The double standards in society hurt men and women.

That's true, as it goes, but it has nothing to do with an attempt to pretend that men are the victims of a grievous social injustice, perpetrated by feminists, that makes them out to be evil if they have too many sex partners.

Edit: Nor does it alter the fact that society is structured in such a way as to privilege men and disadvantage women, and that part of achieving a non-sexist society must necessarily mean ending the privileged status of men.