The Return Of Book Bannings

[Senkaku]

I remember my school library had a couple of what would be considered hetero soft-core porn. They where quit popular. By the time you hit 16 years old sex is something you are very interested in and I am not sure why those that age should be completely cut off from it at school. For those who are younger sure, but by that age most students are starting to have or have already had a sexual experience.

Soft core nudity and whatnot is one thing, visually depicting blowjobs and anal is another entirely. That's not sex-ed or important info about LGBT people, that's just porn at that point and it's always going to be a losing battle to say otherwise.

I mean, no, sex scenes do not always have to be pornographic or smutty, people can write sex scenes in restrained and tasteful ways that are appropriate for proper novels rather than smut. I’m fine with people debating and coming to a consensus about what’s age appropriate in terms of sexual content for kids to know about (which I imagine reasonable people would concede probably varies by grade level), but I think the people campaigning to enforce such strict standards sort of betray their intent by campaigning around school libraries rather than… you know… TV? Like the intent isn’t actually to prevent minors from ever encountering graphic sexual material, the intent is to make a political statement about what they feel is legitimate for anyone to be taught about. They have actual porn available a click away, so if that’s really the concern, this fuss about libraries seems like a misdirection of these activists’ energies.

I feel like that should be a conversation for the child and the parent, although some people might not have parents willing to talk to them or are gay and the parents can't relate to that. I guess that's when the bannings get more complicated.

Yeah, exactly. Even parents who are relatively progressive or on board with the sexual revolution can have trouble talking to their kids about sex ed and prefer to outsource it, or just might not know everything there is to know about pregnancy or STDs! As awkward as it is to navigate, whether it’s in schools or homes, lack of proper sex education leads directly to dire public health consequences.

[Debate Proxy 1]

No book banning allowed. The intellect must remain unfettered.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

Let me get this straight. You're saying that the GOP is taking away freedom of speech, so we should take away the GOP's freedom of speech? Hypocrisy at it's finest

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

[Loeje]

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

Republicans aren't the exact equivalent of the Nazi Party. They're more similar to AfD in Germany, which is extreme but not banned.

[Floofybit]

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

Just because you ban the party, doesn't mean my right wing views will go away. And if you want all right wing views to go away, and have to kill me for it, so be it. You're in the wrong if so.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

No book banning allowed. The intellect must remain unfettered.

CRT and Queer History FOR ALL THEN!

[Senkaku]

Was it actually proven that that was an actual library book?

Yes, it's how I learned about it through the grapevine. I'm pretty insulated from the culture war because I don't use social media but even I've seen the pictures and screenshots of these things in some school libraries. Stuff like that is always going to be a massive win for the GOP.

I’m so curious what the GOP and the people panicking over this think kids do in libraries or how they’re funded or how much time they get to spend there in most public schools. I’m guessing more kids have read whichever titles they’ve highlighted for outrage generation than ever would have stumbled upon them in the stacks before this silly campaign.

[Debate Proxy 1]

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

You fascists support stealing guns from the American people. Every fascist in history supports gun control.

What incompetent "fascists" we must be, to make a dictatorship impossible in our country with our gun policy!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Soft core nudity and whatnot is one thing, visually depicting blowjobs and anal is another entirely. That's not sex-ed or important info about LGBT people, that's just porn at that point and it's always going to be a losing battle to say otherwise.

I mean, no, sex scenes do not always have to be pornographic or smutty, people can write sex scenes in restrained and tasteful ways that are appropriate for proper novels rather than smut. I’m fine with people debating and coming to a consensus about what’s age appropriate in terms of sexual content for kids to know about (which I imagine reasonable people would concede probably varies by grade level), but I think the people campaigning to enforce such strict standards sort of betray their intent by campaigning around school libraries rather than… you know… TV? Like the intent isn’t actually to prevent minors from ever encountering graphic sexual material, the intent is to make a political statement about what they feel is legitimate for anyone to be taught about. They have actual porn available a click away, so if that’s really the concern, this fuss about libraries seems like a misdirection of these activists’ energies.

Oh yeah I totally agree with this. It does feel very goofy that the GOP is going so hard after physical books when porn sites exist and can be accessed by anyone with acess to the internet irregardless of age and there is 100% a political motive behind it instead of them simply wanting to protect kids.

Which is shitty, but I do think it also is a winning tactic for them if DeSantis is anything to go. I feel like that dude is gonna win in 2024 and god only knows what that'd be like.

[The Astral Mandate]

CRT and Queer History FOR ALL THEN!

With him!

[Loeje]

Yes, it's how I learned about it through the grapevine. I'm pretty insulated from the culture war because I don't use social media but even I've seen the pictures and screenshots of these things in some school libraries. Stuff like that is always going to be a massive win for the GOP.

I’m so curious what the GOP and the people panicking over this think kids do in libraries or how they’re funded or how much time they get to spend there in most public schools. I’m guessing more kids have read whichever titles they’ve highlighted for outrage generation than ever would have stumbled upon them in the stacks before this silly campaign.

That is kind of a positive thing about the book bans, it seems like kids are reading more now.

[Debate Proxy 1]

CRT and Queer History FOR ALL THEN!

Patriot History too! Let the readers judge and decide both conservative and liberal positions in schools!

[Terra dei Cittadini]

lack of democratic values!

I don't really see the problem with not having left wing values. Left wing doesn't seem like enlightenment. It seems like the opposite

Do you not read the news?
I don't mean to be harsh, but you sound a bit... hmm... ignorant right now.

I think you'll benefit from digging around in Brookings' website (and may I note is centrist! not leftist!)

[Ottomahn Empire]

CRT and Queer History FOR ALL THEN!

Patriot History too! Let the readers judge and decide both conservative and liberal positions in schools!

wow. something you said that i'll actually drink to.

[Jewish Underground State]

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

I gladly will. You can't stop ideas. People often point out the the flaw Nazi Germany had was that it censored all of its media but that didn't stop rebels from fighting against them. However what some of these people fail to realize is that this same logic can also hurt them. Its hard to get a hand copy of "Mein Kamf" yet neo nazis still exist and do indeed have a decent influence over many nations. The least we can do is provide annotated copies of Mein Kamf and The Protocols of the elders of Zion to show why these ideas fail.

[Debate Proxy 1]

I mean, no, sex scenes do not always have to be pornographic or smutty, people can write sex scenes in restrained and tasteful ways that are appropriate for proper novels rather than smut. I’m fine with people debating and coming to a consensus about what’s age appropriate in terms of sexual content for kids to know about (which I imagine reasonable people would concede probably varies by grade level), but I think the people campaigning to enforce such strict standards sort of betray their intent by campaigning around school libraries rather than… you know… TV? Like the intent isn’t actually to prevent minors from ever encountering graphic sexual material, the intent is to make a political statement about what they feel is legitimate for anyone to be taught about. They have actual porn available a click away, so if that’s really the concern, this fuss about libraries seems like a misdirection of these activists’ energies.

Oh yeah I totally agree with this. It does feel very goofy that the GOP is going so hard after physical books when porn sites exist and can be accessed by anyone with acess to the internet irregardless of age and there is 100% a political motive behind it instead of them simply wanting to protect kids.

Which is shitty, but I do think it also is a winning tactic for them if DeSantis is anything to go. I feel like that dude is gonna win in 2024 and god only knows what that'd be like.

Well, because a substantial part of the GOP has no issue with consenting adults doing what they want.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

CRT and Queer History FOR ALL THEN!

Patriot History too! Let the readers judge and decide both conservative and liberal positions in schools!

NO FALSE EQUIVALENCES! NO SANITATION! Blood, Carnage, and Naked Oppression IN VISCERAL DETAIL!

[Senkaku]

I mean, no, sex scenes do not always have to be pornographic or smutty, people can write sex scenes in restrained and tasteful ways that are appropriate for proper novels rather than smut. I’m fine with people debating and coming to a consensus about what’s age appropriate in terms of sexual content for kids to know about (which I imagine reasonable people would concede probably varies by grade level), but I think the people campaigning to enforce such strict standards sort of betray their intent by campaigning around school libraries rather than… you know… TV? Like the intent isn’t actually to prevent minors from ever encountering graphic sexual material, the intent is to make a political statement about what they feel is legitimate for anyone to be taught about. They have actual porn available a click away, so if that’s really the concern, this fuss about libraries seems like a misdirection of these activists’ energies.

Oh yeah I totally agree with this. It does feel very goofy that the GOP is going so hard after physical books when porn sites exist and can be accessed by anyone with acess to the internet irregardless of age and there is 100% a political motive behind it instead of them simply wanting to protect kids.

Which is shitty, but I do think it also is a winning tactic for them if DeSantis is anything to go. I feel like that dude is gonna win in 2024 and god only knows what that'd be like.

I’d also submit that so long as porn is so easily accessible and sexualized TV and movie scenes are so common, having access to written sex scenes, both tastefully restrained ones and smuttier ones, is honestly an important point in familiarizing oneself with our culture’s portrayals of and beliefs about sex. We’ve created a situation where in some parts of the country, we literally have no sex ed in schools and nothing that would offend Jesus in the library, but kids can watch Game of Thrones or scripted studio porn on their phones whenever they want, or literally buy OnlyFans subscriptions. It’s fucking insane— their goal is just to seize control of the education system to politically indoctrinate students, not to “protect” them from shit.

[Debate Proxy 1]

Patriot History too! Let the readers judge and decide both conservative and liberal positions in schools!

wow. something you said that i'll actually drink to.

A lot of the fights between us have been provoked, you see. It's not actually in our interest for the people to battle the people. If everyone just recognized this...

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

You fascists support stealing guns from the American people. Every fascist in history supports gun control.

What incompetent "fascists" we must be, to make a dictatorship impossible in our country with our gun policy!

Poor argument!

[Terra dei Cittadini]

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

Just because you ban the party, doesn't mean my right wing views will go away. And if you want all right wing views to go away, and have to kill me for it, so be it. You're in the wrong if so.

I'm not saying we should annihilate right-wing views; I'm saying we should purge right-wing fanatics from Congress.

They think that Jewish Space Lasers are an issue, they'll kill a gay kid if you leave them be with one, and even the moderates want to follow along with the zealots to an extent.

I think you'll benefit from cancelling your Newsmax/Fox News subscription, Floofy.

[Jewish Underground State]

Just because you ban the party, doesn't mean my right wing views will go away. And if you want all right wing views to go away, and have to kill me for it, so be it. You're in the wrong if so.

I'm not saying we should annihilate right-wing views; I'm saying we should purge right-wing fanatics from Congress.

They think that Jewish Space Lasers are an issue, they'll kill a gay kid if you leave them be with one, and even the moderates want to follow along with the zealots to an extent.

I think you'll benefit from cancelling your Newsmax/Fox News subscription, Floofy.

In the words of Salman Rushdie: "The moment someone says '"Yes I believe in free speech...but! I stop listening."

Also how did we go 4 pages without mentioning The Satanic Verses? That's The Banned Book

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not saying we should annihilate right-wing views; I'm saying we should purge right-wing fanatics from Congress.

They think that Jewish Space Lasers are an issue, they'll kill a gay kid if you leave them be with one, and even the moderates want to follow along with the zealots to an extent.

I think you'll benefit from cancelling your Newsmax/Fox News subscription, Floofy.

In the words of Salman Rushdie: "The moment someone says '"Yes I believe in free speech...but! I stop listening."

Also how did we go 4 pages without mentioning The Satanic Verses? That's The Banned Book

Been argued to death here.

The Fatwa’s etc., was the best thing for it. I read it because of the efforts to ban it and found it boring as all hell.

Bannings these days are the evil they once were. With social media and online purchasing? The effort is not as impactful.

When they were banning Maus. It caused a surge in sales. I had not read it and it took 3 months to get my copy from Amazon. There were people who were setting up groups to buy copies to hand out free to people affected by the banning.

Anyway……

[Punished UMN]

Honestly, they deserve it! Given their relentless attacks on minorities and lack of democratic values!

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Germany bans the Nazi Party.

France likely bans Mussolini's Fascist Party.

So, why can't we take it upon ourselves to ban what is now the "Trump-Nazi-Neofascism-MAGA Party??

And yes, freedom of speech is important; but hey, what did the founding father say about shitcanning an actively antidemocratic party that has serious infighting and incompetence? Nothing! Therefore, we can and must ban it from the United States of America!

Go ahead "Freedomists", fight me!

Why would *France* ban Mussolini's fascist party?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Next they’ll tell me I can’t put the bibles in the library in the fiction section!