DPRK: Living in the Workers' Paradise

[Tokyoni]

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Doubtful they actually will; sadly, the imperialists are yet too strong probably for them to liberate the South Korea from imperialist influence. But, I can dream, can't I...

I'm sorry, but ... the only thing they'd be "liberating" the South from is prosperity and freedom. You can't seriously suggest that the South Koreans or anyone would be better off living under a system like that currently in place in North Korea.

Well, Kim Jong Il deviated pretty seriously from his father's path of greatness. No denying that.

That said, it's still a worker's state, and still stands strong in the face of almost universal scorn. A strength I doubt the US or any other cushy western capitalist state built on the back of the sweat and blood of third world laborers could ever attain.

The fact is, while the North Korean people have been extremely loyal and devoted to their Leaders, the South Koreans - themselves a glorious and industrious people - rose up against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland. And more than 80% of South Koreans wish for their homeland to reunify. So yes, my money's on the North, mate.

[Southern Patriots]

Doubtful they actually will; sadly, the imperialists are yet too strong probably for them to liberate the South Korea from imperialist influence. But, I can dream, can't I...

I'm sorry, but ... the only thing they'd be "liberating" the South from is prosperity and freedom. You can't seriously suggest that the South Koreans or anyone would be better off living under a system like that currently in place in North Korea.

Well, Kim Jong Il deviated pretty seriously from his father's path of greatness. No denying that.

That said, it's still a worker's state, and still stands strong in the face of almost universal scorn. A strength I doubt the US or any other cushy western capitalist state built on the back of the sweat and blood of third world laborers could ever attain.

The fact is, while the North Korean people have been extremely loyal and devoted to their Leaders, the South Koreans - themselves a glorious and industrious people - rose up against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland. And more than 80% of South Koreans wish for their homeland to reunify. So yes, my money's on the North, mate.

North Korea isn't a worker's state, its a slave state that follows a cult of personality. Essentially the opposite of what a socialist or communist would want.
And of course South Koreans want Korea unified, but not under North Korea's rule. Read up a little on the people and their country before you make such a silly statement.
North Korea is doomed.

[Farnhamia]

Doubtful they actually will; sadly, the imperialists are yet too strong probably for them to liberate the South Korea from imperialist influence. But, I can dream, can't I...

I'm sorry, but ... the only thing they'd be "liberating" the South from is prosperity and freedom. You can't seriously suggest that the South Koreans or anyone would be better off living under a system like that currently in place in North Korea.

Well, Kim Jong Il deviated pretty seriously from his father's path of greatness. No denying that.

That said, it's still a worker's state, and still stands strong in the face of almost universal scorn. A strength I doubt the US or any other cushy western capitalist state built on the back of the sweat and blood of third world laborers could ever attain.

The fact is, while the North Korean people have been extremely loyal and devoted to their Leaders, the South Koreans - themselves a glorious and industrious people - rose up against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland. And more than 80% of South Koreans wish for their homeland to reunify. So yes, my money's on the North, mate.

North Korea isn't a worker's state, its a slave state that follows a cult of personality. Essentially the opposite of what a socialist or communist would want.
And of course South Koreans want Korea unified, but not under North Korea's rule. Read up a little on the people and their country before you make such a silly statement.
North Korea is doomed.

Just so.

When did the South Koreans rise up "against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland"? South Korean political history has been tumultuous, mate, but the people have never changed from the Western-style republic they are to the "Juche socialist" system the North has. You would think they might have in the 60 or so years since the ROK came into being.

[Tokyoni]

North Korea isn't a worker's state, its a slave state that follows a cult of personality. Essentially the opposite of what a socialist or communist would want.

I'm not much a fan of Songun, but that's Kim Jong Il's deviation, not his father's...

However, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is founded upon the philosophy of Juche - self reliance of the worker's state and struggle for national liberation and unity in the face of militarized imperialism. In that sense, it is the most heroic of all Socialist regimes.

And of course South Koreans want Korea unified, but not under North Korea's rule. Read up a little on the people and their country before you make such a silly statement.

Well, if the South Koreans are so favorable to their US-backed puppet government, why did they forcibly abdicate two of their "presidents" in half a century?

North Korea is doomed.

Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

[Tokyoni]

Doubtful they actually will; sadly, the imperialists are yet too strong probably for them to liberate the South Korea from imperialist influence. But, I can dream, can't I...

I'm sorry, but ... the only thing they'd be "liberating" the South from is prosperity and freedom. You can't seriously suggest that the South Koreans or anyone would be better off living under a system like that currently in place in North Korea.

Well, Kim Jong Il deviated pretty seriously from his father's path of greatness. No denying that.

That said, it's still a worker's state, and still stands strong in the face of almost universal scorn. A strength I doubt the US or any other cushy western capitalist state built on the back of the sweat and blood of third world laborers could ever attain.

The fact is, while the North Korean people have been extremely loyal and devoted to their Leaders, the South Koreans - themselves a glorious and industrious people - rose up against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland. And more than 80% of South Koreans wish for their homeland to reunify. So yes, my money's on the North, mate.

North Korea isn't a worker's state, its a slave state that follows a cult of personality. Essentially the opposite of what a socialist or communist would want.
And of course South Koreans want Korea unified, but not under North Korea's rule. Read up a little on the people and their country before you make such a silly statement.
North Korea is doomed.

Just so.

When did the South Koreans rise up "against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland"? South Korean political history has been tumultuous, mate, but the people have never changed from the Western-style republic they are to the "Juche socialist" system the North has. You would think they might have in the 60 or so years since the ROK came into being.

Five words: "Forcible Abdication of Syngman Rhee". The South Koreans themselves hate the US imperialism. That's why some near 80% of them want the US troops the fuck out and peaceful reunification with the North.

[Tokyoni]

If kim actually starts a war then he is even more insane than I give him credit for.

Though I wouldn't mind if he started something. Maybe we can finish the Korean War and get rid of Fucktardland in the north. NK is one place I would not mind starting a war with. Hopefully they do it in such a way that china wouldn't even consider aiding them. Else it might get nasty. All we'd have to do is push hard into the north and hand it over to the south. Let them run it and keep the peace, fighting whatever insurgents there may be.

It would work best if they were immediately integrated into the south and given freedoms they don't have straight away.

A "democratic socialist" advocating imperialism against a worker's state. Marx would be disgusted in you...

[Southern Patriots]

I'm not much a fan of Songun, but that's Kim Jong Il's deviation, not his father's...
However, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is founded upon the philosophy of Juche - self reliance of the worker's state and struggle for national liberation and unity in the face of militarized imperialism. In that sense, it is the most heroic of all Socialist regimes.
Well, if the South Koreans are so favorable to their US-backed puppet government, why did they forcibly abdicate two of their "presidents" in half a century?
Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

Heroic? It is a slave state. Their leaders induce famines to maintain control. They had their people eating babies and grass to survive.
You tell me why they forced them out, and the North Koreans can't force their leader out? Sounds like one group can control its government, and the other is enslaved by it.
"Says a citizen of herr durr..." I'm not American, jackass. Flamebait harder.

[Farnhamia]

Doubtful they actually will; sadly, the imperialists are yet too strong probably for them to liberate the South Korea from imperialist influence. But, I can dream, can't I...

I'm sorry, but ... the only thing they'd be "liberating" the South from is prosperity and freedom. You can't seriously suggest that the South Koreans or anyone would be better off living under a system like that currently in place in North Korea.

Well, Kim Jong Il deviated pretty seriously from his father's path of greatness. No denying that.

That said, it's still a worker's state, and still stands strong in the face of almost universal scorn. A strength I doubt the US or any other cushy western capitalist state built on the back of the sweat and blood of third world laborers could ever attain.

The fact is, while the North Korean people have been extremely loyal and devoted to their Leaders, the South Koreans - themselves a glorious and industrious people - rose up against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland. And more than 80% of South Koreans wish for their homeland to reunify. So yes, my money's on the North, mate.

North Korea isn't a worker's state, its a slave state that follows a cult of personality. Essentially the opposite of what a socialist or communist would want.
And of course South Koreans want Korea unified, but not under North Korea's rule. Read up a little on the people and their country before you make such a silly statement.
North Korea is doomed.

Just so.

When did the South Koreans rise up "against the US-backed dictatorial regimes set up in their homeland"? South Korean political history has been tumultuous, mate, but the people have never changed from the Western-style republic they are to the "Juche socialist" system the North has. You would think they might have in the 60 or so years since the ROK came into being.

Five words: "Forcible Abdication of Syngman Rhee". The South Koreans themselves hate the US imperialism. That's why some near 80% of them want the US troops the fuck out and peaceful reunification with the North.

I do not doubt they want reunification. I also do not doubt that they long for a system that the North has. Yes, Singman Rhee was forced out of office. The South did not suddenly start clamoring to become a communist dictatorship. But hey, as you yourself said, you can dream. Dream on!

[Tokyoni]

Drive off? Lol. So that is why the only have the smaller, northern peninsula? Truely masters of battle.

And why, in all its splendor, could not the "greatest nation on earth" as it oh so humbly calls itself not invade such a small, divided, impoverished nation at the time of the Korean War?

Free of "imperialism" as in free of freedom? You are pretty transparent. Yet another brainwashed sheep or 12 year old, thinking he knows anything about the world, yet does not even know what he is actually defending (a state of terror and oppression).

No, freedom of imperialism propagated by the industrialized against the developing world.

And, ad hominems, how lovely. Showing the depths of reason on your jingoistic side...

[Southern Patriots]

Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

But you know what, I'll back Americans up on this.
Korea - North tried to conquer the south, UN's (with US) main goal was preserving the south. North failed, UN won.
Vietnam - US was militarily undefeated, but its people wanted out of the war. Like a democracy, the government backed out.
Afghanistan - The US DID successfully invade, read a book or watch the news.
Iraq - See Afghanistan

Really, troll harder.

[Person012345]

If kim actually starts a war then he is even more insane than I give him credit for.

Though I wouldn't mind if he started something. Maybe we can finish the Korean War and get rid of Fucktardland in the north. NK is one place I would not mind starting a war with. Hopefully they do it in such a way that china wouldn't even consider aiding them. Else it might get nasty. All we'd have to do is push hard into the north and hand it over to the south. Let them run it and keep the peace, fighting whatever insurgents there may be.

It would work best if they were immediately integrated into the south and given freedoms they don't have straight away.

A "democratic socialist" advocating imperialism against a worker's state. Marx would be disgusted in you...

I'm a democratic socialist now?

And it's not a workers state, it's an oppressive military regime that doesn't give a fuck about the people. Kim only cares about his own power.

Where are you from?

[Self--Esteem]

Drive off? Lol. So that is why the only have the smaller, northern peninsula? Truely masters of battle.

And why, in all its splendor, could not the "greatest nation on earth" as it oh so humbly calls itself not invade such a small, divided, impoverished nation at the time of the Korean War?

Free of "imperialism" as in free of freedom? You are pretty transparent. Yet another brainwashed sheep or 12 year old, thinking he knows anything about the world, yet does not even know what he is actually defending (a state of terror and oppression).

No, freedom of imperialism propagated by the industrialized against the developing world.

And, ad hominems, how lovely. Showing the depths of reason on your jingoistic side...

Jingoism essentially means warmongering, no? So that initially discredits you, since North Korea is the one warmongering.

And it's not an ad hominem, calling someone with your beliefs a rather childish sheep. You got to be pretty dogmatic (or iliterate) to ignore all the war crimes of the north, or any other communist/socialist country.

[Tokyoni]

Heroic? It is a slave state. Their leaders induce famines to maintain control. They had their people eating babies and grass to survive.

Please, do stop watching FOX News... I suppose Obama is also a fascist, communist, Kenyan-born, Muslim, anti-christ out to destroy our freedoms and steal our guns?

North Korea is the only nation in the world to stand so strongly, so long in the face of military imperialism. Essentially the entire world has turned its back on them, and yet their people live on. Whatever ideology you are from, you must admit that THAT alone is remarkable, and speaks very greatly to the power of the Juche ideology.

Granted, I'm not much a fan of the changes that Kim Jong Il made to his father's state, but I am convinced that the DPRK is still the greatest beacon of light left standing in the Proletarian Revolution.

You tell me why they forced them out, and the North Koreans can't force their leader out? Sounds like one group can control its government, and the other is enslaved by it.

Most simply, the North Koreans have never had want or reason to...

"Says a citizen of herr durr..." I'm not American, jackass. Flamebait harder.

Well, I'm assuming at least a NATO member...

[Tokyoni]

Jingoism essentially means warmongering, no? So that initially discredits you, since North Korea is the one warmongering.

Well, I was going more for "mindless patriotism", but, hell, I'll take that too...

Funny, considering how the US declared war on the Korean Worker's Party (precursor to the DPRK government) all the way back in 1948, and there's never been a formalized peace treaty since...

And it's not an ad hominem, calling someone with your beliefs a rather childish sheep. You got to be pretty dogmatic (or iliterate) to ignore all the war crimes of the north, or any other communist/socialist country.

I've probably read far more Marxist literature than you have, and have come to the conclusion that Kim Il Sung, at the very least, was well in line with the Proletarian Revolution against capitalist imperialism.

[Self--Esteem]

Heroic? It is a slave state. Their leaders induce famines to maintain control. They had their people eating babies and grass to survive.

Please, do stop watching FOX News... I suppose Obama is also a fascist, communist, Kenyan-born, Muslim, anti-christ out to destroy our freedoms and steal our guns?

North Korea is the only nation in the world to stand so strongly, so long in the face of military imperialism. Essentially the entire world has turned its back on them, and yet their people live on. Whatever ideology you are from, you must admit that THAT alone is remarkable, and speaks very greatly to the power of the Juche ideology.

Granted, I'm not much a fan of the changes that Kim Jong Il made to his father's state, but I am convinced that the DPRK is still the greatest beacon of light left standing in the Proletarian Revolution.

You tell me why they forced them out, and the North Koreans can't force their leader out? Sounds like one group can control its government, and the other is enslaved by it.

Most simply, the North Koreans have never had want or reason to...

"Says a citizen of herr durr..." I'm not American, jackass. Flamebait harder.

Well, I'm assuming at least a NATO member...

What? Holy shit! North Korea has more weapons than probably South Korea and Taiwan together. And that's the only thing they have, since they definitely lack food. So who is imperialist.
I am sure you would also consider Nazi Germany to be heroic, seeing how it essentially did the same.

[Tokyoni]

Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

But you know what, I'll back Americans up on this.
Korea - North tried to conquer the south, UN's (with US) main goal was preserving the south. North failed, UN won.
Vietnam - US was militarily undefeated, but its people wanted out of the war. Like a democracy, the government backed out.
Afghanistan - The US DID successfully invade, read a book or watch the news.
Iraq - See Afghanistan

Really, troll harder.

Korea - Umm, no. The US's goal was backing their puppet Syngman Rhee with all his volatile rhetoric of "killing anyone north of the border" and such idiocy. Thankfully the people of Choseon drove that asshat out.

Vietnam - And the reason the people wanted out was because the Viet Cong kept on sending the children of the imperialist state back home in body bags.

Afganistan/Iraq - Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

[Southern Patriots]

Please, do stop watching FOX News... I suppose Obama is also a fascist, communist, Kenyan-born, Muslim, anti-christ out to destroy our freedoms and steal our guns?
North Korea is the only nation in the world to stand so strongly, so long in the face of military imperialism. Essentially the entire world has turned its back on them, and yet their people live on. Whatever ideology you are from, you must admit that THAT alone is remarkable, and speaks very greatly to the power of the Juche ideology.
Granted, I'm not much a fan of the changes that Kim Jong Il made to his father's state, but I am convinced that the DPRK is still the greatest beacon of light left standing in the Proletarian Revolution.

Most simply, the North Koreans have never had want or reason to...

Well, I'm assuming at least a NATO member...

Every nation in the world outside of North Korea knows its government is batshit insane and oppressive. I'd rather be a gay Jewish American in Tehran than a member of North Korea's communist party. I'd probably live longer.
Nothing about North Korea is remarkable except the control Kim Jung-Il exercises on the people. Thousands try to flee every year.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/northkorea101.htm

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Human-rights-violations-in-North-Korea:-death-sentences,-forced-abortions,-death-by-starvation-3882.html

My nationality is of no business to you, since you'd likely only try to warp a story around it. You seem to know so little about North Korea you're either a very good troll or 11 years old and just discovering what communism is.

[Miyager]

Heroic? It is a slave state. Their leaders induce famines to maintain control. They had their people eating babies and grass to survive.

Please, do stop watching FOX News... I suppose Obama is also a fascist, communist, Kenyan-born, Muslim, anti-christ out to destroy our freedoms and steal our guns?

North Korea is the only nation in the world to stand so strongly, so long in the face of military imperialism. Essentially the entire world has turned its back on them, and yet their people live on. Whatever ideology you are from, you must admit that THAT alone is remarkable, and speaks very greatly to the power of the Juche ideology.

Granted, I'm not much a fan of the changes that Kim Jong Il made to his father's state, but I am convinced that the DPRK is still the greatest beacon of light left standing in the Proletarian Revolution.

You tell me why they forced them out, and the North Koreans can't force their leader out? Sounds like one group can control its government, and the other is enslaved by it.

Most simply, the North Koreans have never had want or reason to...

"Says a citizen of herr durr..." I'm not American, jackass. Flamebait harder.

Well, I'm assuming at least a NATO member...

What? Holy shit! North Korea has more weapons than probably South Korea and Taiwan together. And that's the only thing they have, since they definitely lack food. So who is imperialist.
I am sure you would also consider Nazi Germany to be heroic, seeing how it essentially did the same.

Yeah. And while we're at it, let's call the USSR heroic.

[Southern Patriots]

Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

But you know what, I'll back Americans up on this.
Korea - North tried to conquer the south, UN's (with US) main goal was preserving the south. North failed, UN won.
Vietnam - US was militarily undefeated, but its people wanted out of the war. Like a democracy, the government backed out.
Afghanistan - The US DID successfully invade, read a book or watch the news.
Iraq - See Afghanistan

Really, troll harder.

Korea - Umm, no. The US's goal was backing their puppet Syngman Rhee with all his volatile rhetoric of "killing anyone north of the border" and such idiocy. Thankfully the people of Choseon drove that asshat out.

Vietnam - And the reason the people wanted out was because the Viet Cong kept on sending the children of the imperialist state back home in body bags.

Afganistan/Iraq - Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

Korea- Read a history book
Vietnam - Wow, read the casualty rates.
Afghanistan/Iraq - Seems to be going ok for the Americans, neither resistance is close to forcing the US and their allies out.

[Tokyoni]

If kim actually starts a war then he is even more insane than I give him credit for.

Though I wouldn't mind if he started something. Maybe we can finish the Korean War and get rid of Fucktardland in the north. NK is one place I would not mind starting a war with. Hopefully they do it in such a way that china wouldn't even consider aiding them. Else it might get nasty. All we'd have to do is push hard into the north and hand it over to the south. Let them run it and keep the peace, fighting whatever insurgents there may be.

It would work best if they were immediately integrated into the south and given freedoms they don't have straight away.

A "democratic socialist" advocating imperialism against a worker's state. Marx would be disgusted in you...

I'm a democratic socialist now?

And it's not a workers state, it's an oppressive military regime that doesn't give a fuck about the people. Kim only cares about his own power.

Where are you from?

Says so right beneath your flag...

Again, Kim Jong Il ain't living up to his father's legacy; quite disappointing really. But, he still is a hell of a lot better than those US puppets in the South...

Presently? The United States. Sure as hell doesn't mean I support its imperialism, though.

[SD_Film Artists]

Heroic? It is a slave state. Their leaders induce famines to maintain control. They had their people eating babies and grass to survive.

Please, do stop watching FOX News... I suppose Obama is also a fascist, communist, Kenyan-born, Muslim, anti-christ out to destroy our freedoms and steal our guns?

North Korea is the only nation in the world to stand so strongly, so long in the face of military imperialism. Essentially the entire world has turned its back on them, and yet their people live on. Whatever ideology you are from, you must admit that THAT alone is remarkable, and speaks very greatly to the power of the Juche ideology.

Granted, I'm not much a fan of the changes that Kim Jong Il made to his father's state, but I am convinced that the DPRK is still the greatest beacon of light left standing in the Proletarian Revolution.

You tell me why they forced them out, and the North Koreans can't force their leader out? Sounds like one group can control its government, and the other is enslaved by it.

Most simply, the North Koreans have never had want or reason to...

"Says a citizen of herr durr..." I'm not American, jackass. Flamebait harder.

Well, I'm assuming at least a NATO member...

What? Holy shit! North Korea has more weapons than probably South Korea and Taiwan together. And that's the only thing they have, since they definitely lack food. So who is imperialist.
I am sure you would also consider Nazi Germany to be heroic, seeing how it essentially did the same.

Soviet historical jargon: Britain/America= Imperialist, Germany= Hitlerites

Either Tokyoni is trolling, he's very old, or Russia/Eastern Europe still teaches the "Imperialist" thing in schools.

Says so right beneath your flag...

Then you're going to really hate me.

[Miyager]

Says a citizen of a nation that couldn't successfully invade it the first time, couldn't successfully invade Vietnam, Afganistan, or Iraq... I'm certain Kim Jong Il is shaking in his boots...

But you know what, I'll back Americans up on this.
Korea - North tried to conquer the south, UN's (with US) main goal was preserving the south. North failed, UN won.
Vietnam - US was militarily undefeated, but its people wanted out of the war. Like a democracy, the government backed out.
Afghanistan - The US DID successfully invade, read a book or watch the news.
Iraq - See Afghanistan

Really, troll harder.

Korea - Umm, no. The US's goal was backing their puppet Syngman Rhee with all his volatile rhetoric of "killing anyone north of the border" and such idiocy. Thankfully the people of Choseon drove that asshat out.

Vietnam - And the reason the people wanted out was because the Viet Cong kept on sending the children of the imperialist state back home in body bags.

Afganistan/Iraq - Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

I can't call you a good troll. I can call you a fail at being one, and that's all I'm saying to you. You really need to learn politics or any History about the world, I guarantee if you lived in North Korea you'd want out in minutes.

[Holy Marsh]

If kim actually starts a war then he is even more insane than I give him credit for.

Though I wouldn't mind if he started something. Maybe we can finish the Korean War and get rid of Fucktardland in the north. NK is one place I would not mind starting a war with. Hopefully they do it in such a way that china wouldn't even consider aiding them. Else it might get nasty. All we'd have to do is push hard into the north and hand it over to the south. Let them run it and keep the peace, fighting whatever insurgents there may be.

It would work best if they were immediately integrated into the south and given freedoms they don't have straight away.

A "democratic socialist" advocating imperialism against a worker's state. Marx would be disgusted in you...

I'm a democratic socialist now?

And it's not a workers state, it's an oppressive military regime that doesn't give a fuck about the people. Kim only cares about his own power.

Where are you from?

Says so right beneath your flag...

Again, Kim Jong Il ain't living up to his father's legacy; quite disappointing really. But, he still is a hell of a lot better than those US puppets in the South...

Presently? The United States. Sure as hell doesn't mean I support its imperialism, though.

I know this may seem simple, but if North Korea is so amazing, why don't you move there? Or at least show up there and say how much you hate America. I'm sure the reasonable people who run the reasonable government of North Korea would totally believe you and allow you to live in such a paradise on earth.

[Miyager]

If kim actually starts a war then he is even more insane than I give him credit for.

Though I wouldn't mind if he started something. Maybe we can finish the Korean War and get rid of Fucktardland in the north. NK is one place I would not mind starting a war with. Hopefully they do it in such a way that china wouldn't even consider aiding them. Else it might get nasty. All we'd have to do is push hard into the north and hand it over to the south. Let them run it and keep the peace, fighting whatever insurgents there may be.

It would work best if they were immediately integrated into the south and given freedoms they don't have straight away.

A "democratic socialist" advocating imperialism against a worker's state. Marx would be disgusted in you...

I'm a democratic socialist now?

And it's not a workers state, it's an oppressive military regime that doesn't give a fuck about the people. Kim only cares about his own power.

Where are you from?

Says so right beneath your flag...

Again, Kim Jong Il ain't living up to his father's legacy; quite disappointing really. But, he still is a hell of a lot better than those US puppets in the South...

Presently? The United States. Sure as hell doesn't mean I support its imperialism, though.

Our "Imperialism"?

Boy, I really don't think you know what Imperialism is.

Why don't you go out into a street in America and say all of this? I'd like to see the looks you get.

[Self--Esteem]

Jingoism essentially means warmongering, no? So that initially discredits you, since North Korea is the one warmongering.

Well, I was going more for "mindless patriotism", but, hell, I'll take that too...

Funny, considering how the US declared war on the Korean Worker's Party (precursor to the DPRK government) all the way back in 1948, and there's never been a formalized peace treaty since...

And it's not an ad hominem, calling someone with your beliefs a rather childish sheep. You got to be pretty dogmatic (or iliterate) to ignore all the war crimes of the north, or any other communist/socialist country.

I've probably read far more Marxist literature than you have, and have come to the conclusion that Kim Il Sung, at the very least, was well in line with the Proletarian Revolution against capitalist imperialism.

Ok. I really have to consider you either a troll or a minor that doesn't yet know how to comprehend and take up facts. Mindless patriotism? That is exactly what North Korea is about. They call their goddamn leader a god, is there anything closer to mindless?

And there has been a peace treaty and one or two cease fires. North Korea never valued it, though.

And I don't really care how much Marx you have read, since reading and comprehending are two entirely different things. You obviously lack the later part + any reason.