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Crylante
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Postby Crylante » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:33 am

I would say I'm most attached to Britain as a whole than either specifically England, the South East or Surrey where I grew up - while London's southwestern suburbs do have somewhat of a nostalgic quality to me it's not a region I particularly have a strong connection to and also happens to be a region I grew up in by chance of my parents moving to the area for work - my mother and her family are Lancastrians and moved down south for economic reasons and my father is a half-Irish Londoner.

Crucially, I don't live in the South East anymore unless I'm staying with my parents - I live in Bristol and I don't feel much of a large cultural difference here than where I grew up apart from a general progressive urban area vs. conservative suburban area dynamic due to the fact that Bristol's had a lot of migration from around the country over the past few decades.
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Postby Saor Alba » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:42 am

I don't think it is either or, really. Identity is multi-layered. I am equally attached to the region I grew up in, to Scotland, and to Europe. My identities play into each other. I am a southerner which makes me Scottish and I am Scottish which makes European.

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:American culture doesn't exist.

This is just wrong. Yeah, America has regional cultures but those regional cultures COMPRISE a single American culture, and there will also be pan-American or otherwise transregional cultural phenomena.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:54 am

Saor Alba wrote:I don't think it is either or, really. Identity is multi-layered. I am equally attached to the region I grew up in, to Scotland, and to Europe. My identities play into each other. I am a southerner which makes me Scottish and I am Scottish which makes European.

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:American culture doesn't exist.

This is just wrong. Yeah, America has regional cultures but those regional cultures COMPRISE a single American culture, and there will also be pan-American or otherwise transregional cultural phenomena.

Many similar cultures do not create a single culture. Are there some universals of the various cultures of the U.S.? Sure, but there's also universals between Spanish and Italian, but you wouldn't say they are the same culture. Southern, New Englander, Midwesterner, Californian, etc, they all are
part of a single group, sure, but I can't say they are the same culture. They're very different.
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Postby Saor Alba » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:20 am

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
Saor Alba wrote:I don't think it is either or, really. Identity is multi-layered. I am equally attached to the region I grew up in, to Scotland, and to Europe. My identities play into each other. I am a southerner which makes me Scottish and I am Scottish which makes European.


This is just wrong. Yeah, America has regional cultures but those regional cultures COMPRISE a single American culture, and there will also be pan-American or otherwise transregional cultural phenomena.

Many similar cultures do not create a single culture. Are there some universals of the various cultures of the U.S.? Sure, but there's also universals between Spanish and Italian, but you wouldn't say they are the same culture. Southern, New Englander, Midwesterner, Californian, etc, they all are
part of a single group, sure, but I can't say they are the same culture. They're very different.

There are plenty of people who would say that a "Mediterranean culture" exists of commonalities between many/most/all Mediterranean countries.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:22 am

Saor Alba wrote:
Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:Many similar cultures do not create a single culture. Are there some universals of the various cultures of the U.S.? Sure, but there's also universals between Spanish and Italian, but you wouldn't say they are the same culture. Southern, New Englander, Midwesterner, Californian, etc, they all are
part of a single group, sure, but I can't say they are the same culture. They're very different.

There are plenty of people who would say that a "Mediterranean culture" exists of commonalities between many/most/all Mediterranean countries.

That's called a culture grouping. It's not a culture, it's a skeleton of similar ideas that all included cultures include and build off of.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:34 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
LOL I have not seen anyone around here using crinkle cuts. Some places in northern Vermont or NY actually do use classic poutine fries. Other places use more Americanized fries that are not as greasy and brown.

People use cheese curds, not just totally random cheese, but I have noticed that some people have different opinions about how much you should melt the curds and the gravy together. Our local Italian place melts them together so it's practically just one sauce. It tastes good, but the presentation is a little eccentric.

Over here in California, I once had "poutine" with minimal gravy over wedge fries and cold, unmelted cheese curds sprinkled over the mess.

If I ever visit Québec, I intend to have a proper introduction to the dish.
you don't need to go all the way to Quebec, every reasonably sized Canadian city will have at least one place that serves very purist poutine. Fairly sure it's required by law and failure to do so will result in said city being annexed into the US.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:41 pm

I’m a proud American and Arizonan. I love this nation and wouldn’t trade it for any other. Oo-fucking-rah!
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Postby Kubra » Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:14 pm

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Kubra wrote: Whoa whoa whoa you're not getting off easy. You're gonna have to specify how that poutine is served. We gotta know the cheese and the gravy used.
From Manitoba onwards, poutine standards grow more and more lax until it's *any* cheese poured with *any* gravy over fries. Some places will even use *crinkle cuts* for their abomination of poutines, even with the blood of les coureurs des bois flowing through their veins. A truly shameful thing, I assure you.

I had fries with some white stuff poured over them at whatever it is they call Carl's Jr on the other side of the country...Hardee's? Hardee's. I assume that was completely authentic.

When I was actually in Canada I never ate anything especially 'Canadian' but my ex, ever the more thoughtful of the two of us, bought all the people we stayed with on the way up gifts for the way back which included of course maple syrup which kinda made me mad. It really was better, but that shit comes from the other coast so it's traveling as far to get to Vancouver as it would be San Francisco. But then maybe I've just been cheaping out on my syrup over the years.
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Jokes aside, you really gotta *work* to actually eat anything "canadian", and maybe you wouldn't wanna in the first place. I actually tried cooking up a few "authentic" canadian dishes and you know what? Bland. Bland as heck. Adding more salt just made the salt disappear. Makes traditional english food taste like curry tbh. But try our national drink, it's a blood mary except we add clam juice for some inexplicable reason.

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Kubra wrote: Whoa whoa whoa you're not getting off easy. You're gonna have to specify how that poutine is served. We gotta know the cheese and the gravy used.
From Manitoba onwards, poutine standards grow more and more lax until it's *any* cheese poured with *any* gravy over fries. Some places will even use *crinkle cuts* for their abomination of poutines, even with the blood of les coureurs des bois flowing through their veins. A truly shameful thing, I assure you.


LOL I have not seen anyone around here using crinkle cuts. Some places in northern Vermont or NY actually do use classic poutine fries. Other places use more Americanized fries that are not as greasy and brown.

People use cheese curds, not just totally random cheese, but I have noticed that some people have different opinions about how much you should melt the curds and the gravy together. Our local Italian place melts them together so it's practically just one sauce. It tastes good, but the presentation is a little eccentric.
The fries and gravy actually don't matter that much, a lot of that can be written off to preference (except crinkle cuts), it's fresh cheese curds that define a good poutine.
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:24 pm

Kubra wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Over here in California, I once had "poutine" with minimal gravy over wedge fries and cold, unmelted cheese curds sprinkled over the mess.

If I ever visit Québec, I intend to have a proper introduction to the dish.
you don't need to go all the way to Quebec, every reasonably sized Canadian city will have at least one place that serves very purist poutine. Fairly sure it's required by law and failure to do so will result in said city being annexed into the US.


But you should still go to Quebec and eat all the food.
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Postby Luxembourg » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:37 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:i am an iowan nationalist so you could say that i am more attached to iowa than the united states, i believe that iowa should secede because globalism and satanism has taken control of this country and patriotic state governments need to leave the collapsing republic


There's something I never thought I'd read.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:14 pm

Luxembourg wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i am an iowan nationalist so you could say that i am more attached to iowa than the united states, i believe that iowa should secede because globalism and satanism has taken control of this country and patriotic state governments need to leave the collapsing republic


There's something I never thought I'd read.


I wonder how Iowa is going to export all that corn when they are surrounded on all sides.
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Postby Kainin » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:05 pm

I currently prefer the US over my state. Not that I'm attached to either of them...

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Postby Forsher » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:54 am

Lately? Region.

The last five years have made it frighteningly clear that Wellington cannot remain New Zealand's capital. I'm sure people in Christchurch have felt similarly for much longer, of course.
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Postby The Fist of Liberalism » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:55 am

I feel attached to the world.
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Postby Durius » Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:33 am

The Fist of Liberalism wrote:I feel attached to the world.

That's called gravitational attraction.

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:28 pm

Durius wrote:
The Fist of Liberalism wrote:I feel attached to the world.

That's called gravitational attraction.

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Postby Floofybit » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:33 pm

Thermodolia wrote:I’m a proud American and Arizonan. I love this nation and wouldn’t trade it for any other. Oo-fucking-rah!

Honestly, I feel attached to the whole western part of the U.S. The climate is much better, and for some reason I would rather have earthquakes than windstorms
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Postby Great American United States » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:19 pm

I feel attached to country, region and state.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:21 pm

Region. I care much more about the PNW than the US as a whole.
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Postby Rakhalia » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:25 pm

Region. I'm a Londoner first and foremost. Britain can go fuck itself. This city is awful, of course -- it's full of crime, poverty, the state spies on you on every street corner, and the smog probably doesn't help. We have never had a mayor who governs this city as anything but a trophy, and the people here are either crippled by the cost of living here or the most annoying suburban snobs you've ever met. I've been threatened with knives, beat up on street corners, and worked many an exhausting job here. It's hell. But God help me, I love it here.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:25 pm

Kravland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Region. I care much more about the PNW than the US as a whole.

Even though you have to contend with Seattle?


Seattle sucks (barring some attractions like the flight mueseum) but there's really nowhere else I'd rather live than the PNW tbh. Love this place.
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Postby Romanum et Britannia Minor » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:28 pm

I feel equally attached to Lancashire, England and the UK

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:29 pm

Neither- I’d gladly leave both Moscow and Russia. I am and will forever remain an alien here, with the people being hostile to me and people like me. Fuck this place.
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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:36 pm

Kravland wrote:
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Neither- I’d gladly leave both Moscow and Russia. I am and will forever remain an alien here, with the people being hostile to me and people like me. Fuck this place.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kravland wrote:Even though you have to contend with Seattle?


Seattle sucks (barring some attractions like the flight mueseum) but there's really nowhere else I'd rather live than the PNW tbh. Love this place.


The flight museum is amazing. I went there with my parents, we spent the whole afternoon, and there was still a significant amount we didn't even get to. Could have easily filled another afternoon if it wasn't a long bus/ferry ride away from my parents' house.
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