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I encourage everyone to consult the news sources of their choice for up-to-date news. Suffice it to say, the situation is fluid. The Russians have adjusted their goals, concentrating on the east and the south, while showering Ukraine with missile strikes and artillery barrages. The Ukrainians have counterattacked and regained territory, not to the point of evicting the Russians but enough to make them think. Amidst the bombardments, rhetorical rhetorical bombast continues and the US and Germany have promised tanks.

The previous edition ...

That pun is terrible. Well done.

M1 Abrams for the win...

Latest reports indicate that fighting is underway south of Ivanivske and the Western GLOC leading to Bakhmut. If nothing drastic happens in this sector, we can expect the operational encirclement of Bakhmut soon.

The US will discuss "very carefully" with Ukraine and its allies regarding the potential transfer of F-16 jets. This is great, but the dense Russian SAM networks "would dramatically reduce effective missile range and limit strike options" for the F-16s.

British intelligence: Russia is lying about its advances in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. They likely made some local probing attacks on Orikhiv and Vuhledar but there was no significant breakthrough anywhere.

Shermania wrote:That pun is terrible. Well done.

I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

With regard to the last question from the previous Ukrainian thread, national sovereignty would refer, in the context of Ukraine, to the right of national self-governance. Russia is, therefore, attempting to deprive Ukraine of that ability.

Since I believe in global, not national, governance, I would rather see a sovereign, global federation of nations, including Ukraine and Russia, i.e., an end to national sovereignty.

Picairn wrote:

Shermania wrote:That pun is terrible. Well done.

I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

Maybe, but it's a play on a popular song of long ago.

"Thanks for the Memory" (1938) is a popular song composed by Ralph Rainger with lyrics by Leo Robin.[1] It was introduced in the 1938 film The Big Broadcast of 1938 by Bob Hope and Shirley Ross, and recorded by Shep Fields and His Orchestra featuring John Serry Sr. on accordion in the film and vocals by Bob Goday on Bluebird Records (B-7318, 1937).[2] Dorothy Lamour's solo recording of the song was also popular, and has led to many mistakenly believing over the years that it was she who sang the tune with Hope in the film (in which Lamour also appeared).

In the film, Ross and Hope's characters are a divorced couple who encounter each other aboard a ship. Near the film's end, they poignantly sing one of the many versions of this song, recalling the ups and downs of their relationship[3] (then they decide to get back together).

Picairn wrote:British intelligence: Russia is lying about its advances in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. They likely made some local probing attacks on Orikhiv and Vuhledar but there was no significant breakthrough anywhere.

So was the point of launching a Zaporizhzhia Offensive just to raise Russian morale and to make the Ukrainians panic (and focus less on more important fronts like Bakhmut and Svatove-Kremmina line)

The timing was so close to the Fall of Soledar too

Picairn wrote:

Shermania wrote:That pun is terrible. Well done.

I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

It's also the name of a pokemon episode.

Farnhamia wrote:

Picairn wrote:I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

Maybe, but it's a play on a popular song of long ago.

"Thanks for the Memory" (1938) is a popular song composed by Ralph Rainger with lyrics by Leo Robin.[1] It was introduced in the 1938 film The Big Broadcast of 1938 by Bob Hope and Shirley Ross, and recorded by Shep Fields and His Orchestra featuring John Serry Sr. on accordion in the film and vocals by Bob Goday on Bluebird Records (B-7318, 1937).[2] Dorothy Lamour's solo recording of the song was also popular, and has led to many mistakenly believing over the years that it was she who sang the tune with Hope in the film (in which Lamour also appeared).

In the film, Ross and Hope's characters are a divorced couple who encounter each other aboard a ship. Near the film's end, they poignantly sing one of the many versions of this song, recalling the ups and downs of their relationship[3] (then they decide to get back together).

Deny it all you want, but there’s a suspicious amount of bronies on this website and nobody is has let me in on why.

Picairn wrote:Russia is lying

That’s it, there’s the whole war in three words

Picairn wrote:Latest reports indicate that fighting is underway south of Ivanivske and the Western GLOC leading to Bakhmut. If nothing drastic happens in this sector, we can expect the operational encirclement of Bakhmut soon.

The US will discuss "very carefully" with Ukraine and its allies regarding the potential transfer of F-16 jets. This is great, but the dense Russian SAM networks "would dramatically reduce effective missile range and limit strike options" for the F-16s.

British intelligence: Russia is lying about its advances in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. They likely made some local probing attacks on Orikhiv and Vuhledar but there was no significant breakthrough anywhere.

Lol we knew they were lying from the get go

Tarsonis wrote:

Picairn wrote:Latest reports indicate that fighting is underway south of Ivanivske and the Western GLOC leading to Bakhmut. If nothing drastic happens in this sector, we can expect the operational encirclement of Bakhmut soon.

The US will discuss "very carefully" with Ukraine and its allies regarding the potential transfer of F-16 jets. This is great, but the dense Russian SAM networks "would dramatically reduce effective missile range and limit strike options" for the F-16s.

British intelligence: Russia is lying about its advances in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. They likely made some local probing attacks on Orikhiv and Vuhledar but there was no significant breakthrough anywhere.

Lol we knew they were lying from the get go

How do you tell when Russia is lying?

It exists.

Reposting for new thread:

So List of Russian Lies about the war in Ukraine:

Claimed that the Russian army was strong enough to reach Berlin within 48 hours.
Claimed that the Russian army was strong enough to reach Kyiv within 48 hours.
Claimed that they wouldn't invade Ukraine.
Claimed that claims that Russia was planning to invade Ukraine was a NATO false flag.
Claimed in February that Ukraine had been attempting to use a car bomb to blow up a Luhansk official or a train full of Russian civilians in Luhansk, using footage from 2019.
Claimed in February that Polish Mercenaries had attempted to murder Donetsk civilians in a chemical weapons attack. using audio footage from 2010.
Claimed that the Ukrainian army wouldn't fight back and they'd only face scattered resistance from Nazis.
Claimed that the Ukrainian airforce was destroyed completely on the first day.
Claimed that NATO forced Russia to attack Ukraine.
Claimed that NATO was planning an invasion of Russia through Ukraine.
Claimed that the Kyiv Regime was going to surrender in February
Claimed that Russia would nuke the west if the west sent Ukraine Aid.
Claimed that they have won the war and Ukraine will now be part of Russia.... three days in.
Claimed that Zelensky had fled to Poland.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in March.
Claimed that Russia would nuke the west if the west sent Ukraine military aid.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in February.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in March.
Claimed that Mariupol was taken.... in April.
Claimed that the Russian economy wasn't suffering.
Claimed that Russia would bring consequences if NATO invited Finland and Sweden to join NATO.
Claimed that the proof of the lack of victory is evidence that everyone in Ukraine is a Nazi who needs 30 years of forced rehabilitation and gulaging.
Claimed they were not killing civilians.
Claimed that Bucha was done by British Soldiers.
Claimed that Bucha was done by Azov Neo Nazis.
Claimed that Bucha was done by Ukrainian Artillery.
Claimed that Bucha never happened all the bodies were brought in.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in April.
Claimed that Ukraine lost all their Bayraktars in April.
Claimed that Russia would bring consequences if Finland and Sweden agreed to join NATO.
Claimed that Ukraine was being invaded to stop secret NATO Biolabs that were being used to create superweapons that can kill Russians and\or COVID and Monkeypox.
Claimed that the Hospital in Mariupol was full of Azov
Claimed that the theatre full of children in Mariupol were full of Azov.
Claimed that the entire Kyiv offensive was a feint.
Claimed that the entire Sumy offensive was a feint.
Claimed that the Kharkov offensive was a feint before turning around and trying to go back.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in March.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in April.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in May.
Claimed that Ukraine lost all their Bayraktars in May.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron the entire Ukrainian army in the east in May.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in March.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in April.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in May.
Claimed that Belarus was going to join the invasion in December.
Claimed that Ukraine attacked Transnistria in an obvious false flag.
Claimed that the Kramatorsk railway station attack was a Ukrainian false flag because "Russia doesn't use that missile type anymore" despite pictures of Russian soldiers during the war using said missile.
Claimed that Russia didn't take massive losses in a failed River crossing.
Claimed that taking massive losses in a failed river crossing is completely normal and it happens to everyone.
Claimed that Ukraine launched an attack on Snake Island with helicopters, Ships and NATO commandos and Russia killed all of them.... before trying to claim that the dead Russian soldiers were actually NATO officers before blurring them out when people noticed that they were wearing Russian issued military clothing.
Claimed that there was a NATO Admiral in Mariupol leading Azov.... yet never produced Admiral.
Claimed that Russia was about to Cauldron all of the Ukrainians located in the Luhansk district in May.
Claimed that Russia was not deporting Ukrainians to Russia
Claimed that Ukrainians were not being taken from Ukraine and deported to locations inside Russia.
Claimed that an old computer from 2006 covered in crude "Property of NATO stickers" all over were a top secret NATO computer that Russia captured from Nazis.
Claimed that there was a secret plot by Ukrainian Nazis to kill a Russian propagandist that required Green wigs, unworn Swastika T-shirts, and three copies of the SIMs 3 in the place of SIM cards.
Claimed that Poland was going to invade West Ukraine.
Claimed that the Moskva was fine.
Claimed the Moskva had an internal fire not related to war.
Claimed that the Moskva safely made it back to harbor,
Claimed that the Moskva was sunk in an accident.
Claimed that only a single person died on the Moskva when she sank.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in June.
Claimed that Russia had Cauldroned all of the Ukrainians located in the Luhansk district in June.
Claimed the Ukrainian defensive lines in Donbass were routed in July.
Claimed that the Ukrainians are Genetically enhanced supersoldiers with STDs.
Claimed that the Ukrainians were using Black Magic to attack the Russian forces
Claimed that Ukrainians were selling them Western artillery... failed to produce any.
Claimed that the Kremenchuk shopping mall attack was caused by a fire from Ukrainian Munitions being hit by a Russian missile and not from Russian missiles having poor aim.
Claimed a logging truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed a supply truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed an Ambulance was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed another civilian truck was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed that a second story room in an old factory was a destroyed HIMARs.
Claimed Ukraine has lost more drones than Ukraine has ever owned.
Claimed that Ukraine has lost more aircraft than they ever owned.
Claimed Ukraine has lost all their HIMARs.
Claimed they weren't going to bomb Odessa after agreeing to a trade deal.... before bombing Odessa.
Claimed that a Ukrainian HIMARs killed the Azov POWs who were clearly set on fire.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was not hit.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was hit but damage was mild.
Claimed the Kherson bridge was hit but the damage wasn't to the point that the bridge wasn't usable despite traffic at the bridge stopping and Russians being forced to use ferries to cross the water.
Claimed that no aircraft were destroyed in the Crimea explosion.
Claimed that only one person died in said explosion. (Later admitted that over 60 died)
Claimed that the damage to the Kherson Dam was unwarranted even while the destruction photos show destroyed Russian military vehicles that had been parked there.
Claimed that Russia was never going to leave Kherson.
Claimed that Ukraine were dying by the hundreds and their army would collapse around Kherson.
Claimed that all the conquered regions overwhelmingly voted to secede despite allowing no observers.
Claimed that all the conquered regions overwhelmingly voted to join Russia despite allowing no observers.
Claimed that territory still held by Ukraine actually voted for Russia despite the impossibility of those areas voting.
Claimed that because of Annexation Kherson belonged to Russia forever.
Claimed that the Crimea bridge was fine.
Claimed that the Crimea bridge attack was a NATO attack.
Claimed that Ukraine was planning on invading Belarus.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen again.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen yet again.
Claimed that Bakhmut had fallen and Ukraine is using human waves attacks to take it back.
Claimed that the Drone that hit the Russian Airbase was shot down and did no damage even after photos of damage appeared.
Claimed that no one died in the New Years attack
Claimed that the theater in Mariupol was bombed by Azov.
Claimed that Bradley IFVs have been destroyed even though they haven't even shown up in Ukraine.
Claimed that Ukraine has been defeated and that Millions of NATO soldiers are what they're fighting.
Claimed that Poland Invaded and conquered Ukraine and that they're liberating Ukraine from Polish occupation.
Claimed that thousands and thousands of NATO soldiers have died, provided no evidence supporting it.
Claimed that Soledar had NOT fallen after saying it had fallen.
Claimed that sending Tanks to Ukraine would result in nuclear war.
Claimed that Ukraine is using child soldiers.
Claimed that they launched a massive Southern Offensive and took several towns. (The offensive failed and they already held those towns)
Claimed that they aren't using Human Wave attacks, Ukraine is the one doing human wave attacks.
Claimed that they aren't committing War Crimes only Ukraine commits war crimes.
Claimed that Ukraine is conscripting people off the street at gunpoint.
Claimed that Ukraine is using Chemical Weapons disguised as conventional Russian grenades.

Feel free to link my post whenever some user comes in here bringing up "How do we know Russia is lying?" and "Ukraine lies just as much as Russia!"

Nice

Farnhamia wrote:

Picairn wrote:I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

Maybe, but it's a play on a popular song of long ago.

"Thanks for the Memory" (1938) is a popular song composed by Ralph Rainger with lyrics by Leo Robin.[1] It was introduced in the 1938 film The Big Broadcast of 1938 by Bob Hope and Shirley Ross, and recorded by Shep Fields and His Orchestra featuring John Serry Sr. on accordion in the film and vocals by Bob Goday on Bluebird Records (B-7318, 1937).[2] Dorothy Lamour's solo recording of the song was also popular, and has led to many mistakenly believing over the years that it was she who sang the tune with Hope in the film (in which Lamour also appeared).

In the film, Ross and Hope's characters are a divorced couple who encounter each other aboard a ship. Near the film's end, they poignantly sing one of the many versions of this song, recalling the ups and downs of their relationship[3] (then they decide to get back together).

The fact that we as a society have reached the point where an obvious Bob Hope reference needs to be explained depresses me...

Port Caverton wrote:

Picairn wrote:I searched the title and it's a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic episode.

It's also the name of a pokemon episode.

That pun’s been around for ages. I remember seeing it on tee shirts back at Fort Knox. Hell, there’s a Hogan’s Heroes episode by that name.

I’m not sure why people have created such a fuss around these Abrams.

Saudi Abrams got battered in Yemen by Ansar Allah, who run around in sandals, carrying AK-47s.

Karynia wrote:I’m not sure why people have created such a fuss around these Abrams.

Saudi Abrams got battered in Yemen by Ansar Allah, who run around in sandals, carrying AK-47s.

Russia being Saudi Arabia in this example.

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:

Karynia wrote:I’m not sure why people have created such a fuss around these Abrams.

Saudi Abrams got battered in Yemen by Ansar Allah, who run around in sandals, carrying AK-47s.

Russia being Saudi Arabia in this example.

No, obviously not, because Russia aren’t the ones with the Abrams.

Karynia wrote:

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Russia being Saudi Arabia in this example.

No, obviously not, because Russia aren’t the ones with the Abrams.

They are however the ones with the superior military power invading their neighbours and not winning easily.

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:

Karynia wrote:No, obviously not, because Russia aren’t the ones with the Abrams.

They are however the ones with the superior military power invading their neighbours and not winning easily.

>superior military power


Debatable.

Vassenor wrote:

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
They are however the ones with the superior military power invading their neighbours and not winning easily.

>superior military power


Debatable.

I’m not even sure it’s debatable at this point - they’re barely holding even as it is.

Question because I'm not really informed about tanks but uh, are the M1 Abrams tanks going to be more useful or the Leopard 2 tanks? Given the US is (understandably ig?) not giving them the uranium armor thing, I mean.

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:

Karynia wrote:No, obviously not, because Russia aren’t the ones with the Abrams.

They are however the ones with the superior military power invading their neighbours and not winning easily.

If by superior military you mean an outdated, uneffective, , under supplied, and demoralized fighting force that can barely hold agianst what should have been a weak Ukrainian army that is dwarfed by the size of the Russian military..... then yes it a superior military power. The only thing Russia has going for it is their numbers