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Postby Cosmic79 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:54 pm

Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:
United Northen States Canada wrote:Dictator Putin isn't going to risk a war against NATO,unless Russia mainland is threatened.

Although we need to end Putin's terror before it'd too late.

Putin is like Hitler at this point; it is better to leave him in office than risk having somebody actually competent come to lead Russia.


Unless if I'm mistaken, Medvedev is next. And his statements on the war are even more extreme.

Putin going away won't change Russia's ruling elite.

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Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:Putin is like Hitler at this point; it is better to leave him in office than risk having somebody actually competent come to lead Russia.


Unless if I'm mistaken, Medvedev is next. And his statements on the war are even more extreme.

Putin going away won't change Russia's ruling elite.

Medvedev says a lot, but the guy is either really good and faking or a complete moron
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:22 pm

It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO
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Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

That’s great news. I’m very pleased for Finland. Hopefully, Swedish membership in NATO will soon follow.
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:01 pm

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Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:Putin is like Hitler at this point; it is better to leave him in office than risk having somebody actually competent come to lead Russia.


Unless if I'm mistaken, Medvedev is next. And his statements on the war are even more extreme.

Putin going away won't change Russia's ruling elite.

Medvedev was forced to step down in 2020 after a spate of scandals culminating in Navalny’s corruption exposé as well as plans to create a legal framework for Putin to become an autocrat-for-life. The current PM, Mikhail Mishustin, has no power of his own and is an apolitical bureaucrat from Russia’s tax collection agency. He has some ties with the security establishment and would legally be considered Putin’s successor, but there’s no chance of him holding power for more than several days to a few months.

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Tarsonis wrote:Ruskies are butthurt

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

SO Basically Sweden is surrounded by NATO members. While not itself a member it is protected by land. By sea it is protected since Russia would have to sail through NATO territorial waters. Same thing through air. Sweden due to its position is safe. Also, Russia is now bordered on its Western front by NATO members except Ukraine and Belarus basically.
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Postby Oceasia » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:50 pm

The length of the Russia-NATO border is about to double overnight.

Maybe Finland should annex Sweden after they officially join NATO or something.
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Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:23 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

SO Basically Sweden is surrounded by NATO members. While not itself a member it is protected by land. By sea it is protected since Russia would have to sail through NATO territorial waters. Same thing through air. Sweden due to its position is safe. Also, Russia is now bordered on its Western front by NATO members except Ukraine and Belarus basically.

Yes, also Sweden along with some other Nordic nations are joining their Airforces together so Sweden will be a NATO member in all but name.

Also also Sweden is an EU nation and the EU charter actually has a common defense article that’s stronger than NATO article 5. So even if they where somehow attacked the EU and by extension most of NATO would be invading Russia

Though experts believe that Sweden will be a member of NATO by July
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:23 pm

Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:Putin is like Hitler at this point; it is better to leave him in office than risk having somebody actually competent come to lead Russia.


Hitler comparisons are always a bad idea. Hitler was Hitler. Putin was Putin. Two different men with distinct imperfections.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:24 pm

Portzania wrote:We need to save Russia from Russians!


Who is "we"? There is nothing wrong with most Russians. They are as much a victim of Putin as are the Ukrainians.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:27 pm

Oceasia wrote:The length of the Russia-NATO border is about to double overnight.

Maybe Finland should annex Sweden after they officially join NATO or something.


I think you might want to ask the Swedes first. Those two countries enjoy excellent international relations, but their cultures are significantly different. Sweden is Scandinavian. Finland is not.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:31 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Oceasia wrote:The length of the Russia-NATO border is about to double overnight.

Maybe Finland should annex Sweden after they officially join NATO or something.


I think you might want to ask the Swedes first. Those two countries enjoy excellent international relations, but their cultures are significantly different. Sweden is Scandinavian. Finland is not.

It’s not going to matter anyway several pro-government Turkish MPs have said they expect to ratify Sweden before July
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:49 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Portzania wrote:We need to save Russia from Russians!


Who is "we"? There is nothing wrong with most Russians. They are as much a victim of Putin as are the Ukrainians.

It’s the Muscovites who are the problem. Build a big, beautiful wall around the Kremlin and its castle town to free Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Or an ugly wall, or even a giant dome. The point is, a city shouldn’t be allowed to terrorize the largest landmass on Earth.

On a more serious note, it’s unfair to compare the majority of Russians’ acceptance of fascism to the existential threat Ukrainians are facing. Although Germany and Italy were clearly authoritarian regimes with failing democracies by the time fascism rose to power, the Germans and Italians who were neither fascists nor the enemies of fascism weren’t victims at all. They were thoughtless enablers of a danger they either did not know about or did not understand, and although those indirectly guilty of genocide and totalitarianism deserve the opportunity to be forgiven, suggesting an Aryan right-wing German and a Polish dissident or "asocial", for example, were equally harmed by and not responsible for Nazism is grossly offensive.

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Postby Corrian » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:SO Basically Sweden is surrounded by NATO members. While not itself a member it is protected by land. By sea it is protected since Russia would have to sail through NATO territorial waters. Same thing through air. Sweden due to its position is safe. Also, Russia is now bordered on its Western front by NATO members except Ukraine and Belarus basically.

Yes, also Sweden along with some other Nordic nations are joining their Airforces together so Sweden will be a NATO member in all but name.

Also also Sweden is an EU nation and the EU charter actually has a common defense article that’s stronger than NATO article 5. So even if they where somehow attacked the EU and by extension most of NATO would be invading Russia

Though experts believe that Sweden will be a member of NATO by July

Especially if Erdogan loses, which seems potentially even more likely after the earthquake.


I still question the decision to stay, though it seems like its potentially working out "okay", The "They'll get surrounded in Bakhmut" seems to be impossible now, from what I've heard. Ukraine's basically stopped that from happening entirely.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:47 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s official. Turkey unanimously approves Finland’s NATO application.

Next week Finland will be a member of NATO

SO Basically Sweden is surrounded by NATO members. While not itself a member it is protected by land. By sea it is protected since Russia would have to sail through NATO territorial waters. Same thing through air. Sweden due to its position is safe. Also, Russia is now bordered on its Western front by NATO members except Ukraine and Belarus basically.

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Postby Oceasia » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:58 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Oceasia wrote:The length of the Russia-NATO border is about to double overnight.

Maybe Finland should annex Sweden after they officially join NATO or something.


I think you might want to ask the Swedes first. Those two countries enjoy excellent international relations, but their cultures are significantly different. Sweden is Scandinavian. Finland is not.


Yeah, I was joking ;)

In any case, I do expect Erdogan to ratify Sweden's membership before the elections. In the case he doesn't, I hope he loses and his successor would do so immediately.
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