The Ukrainian War V: Tanks For The Memories

[Picairn]

Regarding the Butch, I have given the facts, so I ask you to answer accordingly.

Your facts amount to "Haha this made-up thing happened and I'll not give my evidence for it".

at the time of the central rada (UPR), neither under Skoropadsky, nor under Petlyura, nor under Vinnichenko. It was issued by the Ukrainian Social revolutionaries who created the UPA, and then the UPA took part in the deplorable events.

The slogan had its origin in the Ukrainian War of Independence (1917-1921), and its predecessor "Glory of Ukraine" was even earlier, first mentioned by Taras Shevchenko.

[Lativs]

Regarding the Butch, I have given the facts, so I ask you to answer accordingly.

Your facts amount to "Haha this made-up thing happened and I'll not give my evidence for it".

at the time of the central rada (UPR), neither under Skoropadsky, nor under Petlyura, nor under Vinnichenko. It was issued by the Ukrainian Social revolutionaries who created the UPA, and then the UPA took part in the deplorable events.

The slogan had its origin in the Ukrainian War of Independence (1917-1921), and its predecessor "Glory of Ukraine" was even earlier, first mentioned by Taras Shevchenko.

well, Taras Shevchenko, the Ukrainian poet and thinker, formulated it a little incorrectly, it's good, he wasn't used. And I have already said about the Trouble, I have given arguments, but, the funny thing is, you saw in my message what was not there. There was a cold enumeration of strange facts, without specific analyses or comments, you eventually rebus decided so...But so for God's sake, only there were arguments and it was written out how approximately you can find to make sure, although in many videos on the Butch a lot of interesting things can be found. Was there a genocide? I remember writing that there was, there are a number of photos that clearly cannot be blamed for the installation and staging, only the white armbands of Russian volunteers are knocked down, that's all. Once again, I recommend reading the message carefully.

[Lativs]

Regarding the Butch, I have given the facts, so I ask you to answer accordingly.

Your facts amount to "Haha this made-up thing happened and I'll not give my evidence for it".


oh, yes, I repeat once again, during the central rada, or, as you call the Ukrainian war for independence (it's strange to call it that, because who fought for independence there... Pro-German Skoropadsky? The White Guards?red commanders?anarchists? in my opinion, only Petlyura, and even then there is one question to him, why caricature the Ukrainian national idea) this slogan did not appear in the political field, moreover, these were the same Russian regions as the Tambov region and the Urals and Siberia...By the way, Siberia had its own oblasts, not to say that Siberia is a separate nation

[Picairn]

oh, yes, I repeat once again, during the central rada, or, as you call the Ukrainian war for independence (it's strange to call it that, because who fought for independence there... Pro-German Skoropadsky? The White Guards?red commanders?anarchists? in my opinion, only Petlyura, and even then there is one question to him, why caricature the Ukrainian national idea) this slogan did not appear in the political field, moreover, these were the same Russian regions as the Tambov region and the Urals and Siberia...By the way, Siberia had its own oblasts, not to say that Siberia is a separate nation

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The earliest examples of Slava Ukraini date to 1917.

[Lativs]

oh, yes, I repeat once again, during the central rada, or, as you call the Ukrainian war for independence (it's strange to call it that, because who fought for independence there... Pro-German Skoropadsky? The White Guards?red commanders?anarchists? in my opinion, only Petlyura, and even then there is one question to him, why caricature the Ukrainian national idea) this slogan did not appear in the political field, moreover, these were the same Russian regions as the Tambov region and the Urals and Siberia...By the way, Siberia had its own oblasts, not to say that Siberia is a separate nation

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The earliest examples of Slava Ukraini date to 1917.

so I made a mistake, well, it remains to admit that I was wrong, thank you very much, comrade

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I am an American and I like my country and think there are many positive parts of its political tradition. Imperialism is alien to what makes America unique in my view.

I do think that the Untied States is having problems with its international reputation outside of the Western information bubble. India is making deals to trade outside the dollar system with Russia. Russia and China are closer in relations than at any point since the Sino-Soviet split. Even American vassal states like Saudi Arabia are making deals with China now, and I'm convinced the decline of international American influence will only accelerate.

In many ways the time period we are in is similar to the lead up to a world war. Politicians in the United States take fear mongering about Russia and China to the next level and the United States continues to escalate tensions with all of its enemies. It's extremely worrying.

Oh, excellent! Putin is looking for 400000 foreign recruits. If you believe this course is so righteous, stop being a keyboard warrior, and become an actual war criminal.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Orostan: "Bellingcat receives money that can eventually be traced back to Western governments, so literally everything they say is propaganda!"

Also Orostan: "Russian state media published bogus satellite photos showing a Ukrainian jet shooting down MH17 only because they were in a rush to get a scoop on a story, they didn't have any ulterior motives!"

Media is going to jump to defend its country by default. If the Russian government wanted to release information through state media they'd do it with material that supports the MoD statement. This is so obviously a mistake by the media, especially because it was contradicted by the government later.

Oh, wait till he sees Fox News.

[Rhodesia-Scots]

I has learned from my mistakes. The Russians are bad, though not as bad as the Israelis, I stand with Ukraine.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Why is that? Why are you willing to listen to explicit Russian state media over sources that have received American government funding? Why the double standard?

In general, comrade, Orkostan (or as a nickname)the skew is small. Despite the fact that I am against the war as such. It doesn't matter who attacked...America would have bombed Haiti, China Taiwan or Russia Ukraine-against.

I do not believe the propaganda of our opposition that they take information from Ukraine that distorts information from Western Europe and the USA.

I do not stand for the victory of Ukraine (it would be strange, I am still a Russian), for Kolomoisky's yacht (a literal quote from a resident of Odessa that escaped from the war to Israel, although this phrase has lost its relevance, now it is rather Zelensky's task) to die stupidly, how stupid to die (a literal quote from a Russian volunteer serving in Ukraine) for Rogozin's ass. RT is a dump, I would live in their manyamirka, but I live in ordinary Russia.It's not like it's under the Kremlin, it's also, but that's not the point, it's more like she's clumsily shitting the information war by showing what isn't really there. although I watch both state media and foreign ones, because in war and in the world propaganda is everywhere and everywhere, it is necessary to filter out fakes so as not to clog your brain.

Putin's concept, which he has always adhered to, "will unite with Europe and introduce his capital into it, equally dividing Europe with America...America did not like the idea of dividing its sphere of influence. By that time, he had already begun to conclude contracts directly with NATO, even gave a military base in Ulyanovsk. As a result, he was sent to hell (Кузькиной матери), he read the Munich speech and Prigozhin appeared in politics with his doctrine, somewhere in 2012, which read - to expand the military presence in world politics, provoke a conflict on the border to promote Russia's national interests, trigger European sanctions on himself -bringing down the European economy thereby and to share it with the USA... As we see, it was not possible to bring down the European economy somehow, as well as to bring down the Russian economy to Europe. A stalemate.

So rather than just sitting back and waiting for the governments of Venezuela and Cuba to implode under their own problems the United States totally should've invaded their next-door neighbors to the south for leering at them funny because they could've maybe acquired nuclear missiles from Russia or China during the cold-war? To say nothing of sitting out the entire Falklands thing in the 80s.

Of course, not acting pre-emptively in Russia's interest would've meant Putin trusting his successor not to botch things later-on to win the long-game. Since simply the leasing of bases from Crimea and the government of Ukraine still contesting that Crimea is part of Ukraine would bar them from joining NATO lest their membership auto-trigger an Article 5 mobilization. Even without the annexation, the lease of the naval base alone had already moved that problem to 2040 or later. And the existance of Donetsk and Luhansk sepratists and the contested ownership of that land from 2014 onwards pretty much sealed them out of membership indefinately unless they either opted to 'liberate' them back under unified Ukrainian control, or ceded them their independence.

[Neu California]

You're not wrong tbh. Says a lot about the groups that Russia attracts that the rhetoric is practically the same between the Nazis and self-proclaimed Marxists.

I just got my third warning in two years in the american politics thread for calling out a marxist spewing drivel. Got attacked by 3-5 other marxists, got insults hurled at me and i'm pretty sure a socialist that attacks russia in this thread implied i should kill myself in that other thread, but i'm going to be the only one getting a warning because NS loves socialists or some shit.

If orostan started using language used more commonly amongst tankies unironically supporting russia, they'd never have to worry about being ridiculed like they are.

If you think the warning was unjustified, or that others should have been punished for their statements in the thread, either appeal or report in moderation. Bitching about it does you no good.

[Picairn]

Russian forces have advanced deeper into the industrial district and entered the northwestern residential areas. They also continued their advances in the south of the city along the Bakhmutovka river.

[Corrian]

It sounds like Ukraine has basically already left eastern Bakhmut anyway so they are way less likely to get encircled, which is smart at least. I wouldn't at all be surprised if its only a matter of time before the entire eastern side (on both sides of the river) are taken by Russia.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It sounds like Ukraine has basically already left eastern Bakhmut anyway so they are way less likely to get encircled, which is smart at least. I wouldn't at all be surprised if its only a matter of time before the entire eastern side (on both sides of the river) are taken by Russia.

So Russia has won half of a bombed out, unexploded ordnance-laden wasteland... for seven months of effort and a couple of hundred thousand Russian lives

vlad p... this whole war thing... i do not think it works the way you think it does. you're supposed to make your enemies die gloriously for their fatherland and not the other way around

[Northern Seleucia]

Ukraine Claims Battle for Bakhmut Is 'Stabilizing' As Russian Forces Stall

[Northern Seleucia]

'Don't Go To The Enlistment Office': Wave Of Military Summonses Raises Fears Of Another Russian Mobilization Drive

Since the beginning of March, a growing number of military age men in 43 administrative regions across Russia have been receiving summonses to report to their local enlistment offices in what could be preparations for another round of military mobilization in the country, Russian human rights lawyers and advocacy groups say.

According to data compiled by various groups based on screenshots and photos of the summonses, the growing number has mostly been directed to reservists and university students that deferred military service because of their studies.

Many of those who received a summons have not reported to their local office, according Go by the Forest, a Russian antiwar organization that aims to help Russians avoid being mobilized to fight in Ukraine, but RFE/RL confirmed that at least one reservist was immediately sent to a training camp after reporting to update his information at a military office in Russia's Tyumen region in western Siberia.

The mailed documents require them to go to a nearby military office and confirm and update their personnel files and contact information. Russian legal experts and activists who spoke to RFE/RL believe this is part of a drive by the authorities to recruit new contract soldiers to fight in Ukraine and create an up to date database of reservists in anticipation of a potential new wave of mass mobilization like the one in September that sought to bring 300,000 new personnel into the fight.

[Northern Seleucia]

Russia Proposes Major Military Reorganization, Conscription Changes, Increase In Troop Numbers

Russian military officials are proposing a major reorganization of the country's armed forces, including increasing the age for mandatory conscription, as casualty rates from Moscow’s 10-month-old invasion of Ukraine continue to climb.

The proposals, announced earlier this week by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, would expand the size of Russia's armed forces by around 30 percent to 1.5 million troops and amount to a reversal of reforms undertaken more than a decade ago that sought to modernize its Soviet-era force structure.
...
The expanded Russian forces will include 695,000 contract soldiers, Shoigu said, 521,000 of whom should be in service by the end of 2023.

Shoigu also proposed a major reorganization of military force structure, particularly in the Western Military District, whose forces are positioned opposite those of NATO member states.

Other changes would move some air force units under ground forces command, and existing infantry, marine, and airborne brigades would be turned into outright divisions, similar to what existed under Soviet structures.

If put into effect, the proposed reforms would undo a series of changes that were undertaken by Shoigu’s predecessor, Anatoly Serdyukov, after the 2008 war in Georgia, which showed glaring problems in Russia's military.

Among other things, Serdyukov's changes dismantled the Soviet-era structure of the armed forces, moving away from large divisions toward more mobile and largely self-sufficient brigades, and trying to increase interoperability of different branches.

Dara Massicot, a researcher on Russia’s armed forces at the RAND Corp., a U.S. think tank, called the proposals a "substantial" reorganization, and partial reversal of the Serdyukov reforms.

"Force structure was only one part of the reforms," she told RFE/RL. "So on that front, yes, it's a major rollback. But the other tenets are still present: modern equipment, professional enlisted service, new weapons etc."

[Corrian]

Ukraine Claims Battle for Bakhmut Is 'Stabilizing' As Russian Forces Stall

Its definitely slower than it was, but I don't know if I'd call it stalled.

[Northern Seleucia]

As Fighting Rages On At The Front, Thousands Join Ukraine's Offensive Guard

KYIV -- On March 10, thousands of civilians and soldiers marched together through the central streets of the capital, chanting "Glory to Ukraine" and "Glory to the heroes" in a tribute to Dmytro Kotsyubaylo, the youngest commander ever to be decorated as a Hero of Ukraine and the first volunteer fighter to be granted the honor while still alive. Known by the call sign Da Vinci, he had been killed fighting Russian forces near Bakhmut, in the Donbas, three days earlier.

The images of senior leaders, including armed forces Commander in Chief General Valeriy Zaluzhniy, military intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, and Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov kneeling as they paid last respects to the 27-year-old soldier, have swiftly sunk deeply into the public consciousness. So have the tears of Kotsyubaylo's partner, Alina Mykhaylova, who is a paramedic in his unit, Da Vinci's Wolves, and a Kyiv city council member.

At the age of 18, Kotsyubaylo played an active part in the Euromaidan protests that pushed Moscow-friendly President Viktor Yanukovych from power in 2014. He took up arms when war between Moscow-backed separatists and Ukraine broke out in the Donbas shortly afterward -- and continued fighting following Moscow's large-scale invasion in February 2022.

His death and his mourning marked a transformative moment in Ukraine's resistance against the Russian invasion, and it underscored a stark reality: some of the most dedicated soldiers are dying, creating a dire need for others to fill their places.

As the grinding Russian offensive continues in the east, inflicting mounting losses on the military, many Ukrainians are hoping a counteroffensive that senior officials say is coming soon will be decisive in driving Russian forces back -- and ultimately out of the country.

Some are joining the Offensive Guard, a network of assault brigades being formed in the Interior Ministry as Ukraine readies for the expected push to retake Russian-occupied territory across the east and south.

The ministry has mounted a major recruiting campaign for the units. In streets, squares, and other spots around Kyiv, well-equipped, fit, and determined soldiers gaze at passersby from posters bearing slogans such as "It's time to get back what's yours" and "Join up." According to Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko, more than 28,000 people have volunteered to serve in the formation.

[The Two Jerseys]

'Don't Go To The Enlistment Office': Wave Of Military Summonses Raises Fears Of Another Russian Mobilization Drive

Since the beginning of March, a growing number of military age men in 43 administrative regions across Russia have been receiving summonses to report to their local enlistment offices in what could be preparations for another round of military mobilization in the country, Russian human rights lawyers and advocacy groups say.

According to data compiled by various groups based on screenshots and photos of the summonses, the growing number has mostly been directed to reservists and university students that deferred military service because of their studies.

Many of those who received a summons have not reported to their local office, according Go by the Forest, a Russian antiwar organization that aims to help Russians avoid being mobilized to fight in Ukraine, but RFE/RL confirmed that at least one reservist was immediately sent to a training camp after reporting to update his information at a military office in Russia's Tyumen region in western Siberia.

The mailed documents require them to go to a nearby military office and confirm and update their personnel files and contact information. Russian legal experts and activists who spoke to RFE/RL believe this is part of a drive by the authorities to recruit new contract soldiers to fight in Ukraine and create an up to date database of reservists in anticipation of a potential new wave of mass mobilization like the one in September that sought to bring 300,000 new personnel into the fight.

Remember when we had a Russian cheerleader on here who played the "But I can't go to war, I'm a university student!" card whenever challenged to put their money where their mouth was?

Yeah, that aged well...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Any word on whats going on with Avdiivka? Its almost surrounded like Bakhmut is on the live map but ive heard basically nothing about it.

[Northern Seleucia]

Any word on whats going on with Avdiivka? Its almost surrounded like Bakhmut is on the live map but ive heard basically nothing about it.

Municipal buildings were being evacuated last I heard.

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'Don't Go To The Enlistment Office': Wave Of Military Summonses Raises Fears Of Another Russian Mobilization Drive

Remember when we had a Russian cheerleader on here who played the "But I can't go to war, I'm a university student!" card whenever challenged to put their money where their mouth was?

Yeah, that aged well...

Lmao how can I forget?

[Orostan]

As Fighting Rages On At The Front, Thousands Join Ukraine's Offensive Guard

KYIV -- On March 10, thousands of civilians and soldiers marched together through the central streets of the capital, chanting "Glory to Ukraine" and "Glory to the heroes" in a tribute to Dmytro Kotsyubaylo, the youngest commander ever to be decorated as a Hero of Ukraine and the first volunteer fighter to be granted the honor while still alive. Known by the call sign Da Vinci, he had been killed fighting Russian forces near Bakhmut, in the Donbas, three days earlier.

The images of senior leaders, including armed forces Commander in Chief General Valeriy Zaluzhniy, military intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov, and Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov kneeling as they paid last respects to the 27-year-old soldier, have swiftly sunk deeply into the public consciousness. So have the tears of Kotsyubaylo's partner, Alina Mykhaylova, who is a paramedic in his unit, Da Vinci's Wolves, and a Kyiv city council member.

At the age of 18, Kotsyubaylo played an active part in the Euromaidan protests that pushed Moscow-friendly President Viktor Yanukovych from power in 2014. He took up arms when war between Moscow-backed separatists and Ukraine broke out in the Donbas shortly afterward -- and continued fighting following Moscow's large-scale invasion in February 2022.

His death and his mourning marked a transformative moment in Ukraine's resistance against the Russian invasion, and it underscored a stark reality: some of the most dedicated soldiers are dying, creating a dire need for others to fill their places.

As the grinding Russian offensive continues in the east, inflicting mounting losses on the military, many Ukrainians are hoping a counteroffensive that senior officials say is coming soon will be decisive in driving Russian forces back -- and ultimately out of the country.

Some are joining the Offensive Guard, a network of assault brigades being formed in the Interior Ministry as Ukraine readies for the expected push to retake Russian-occupied territory across the east and south.

The ministry has mounted a major recruiting campaign for the units. In streets, squares, and other spots around Kyiv, well-equipped, fit, and determined soldiers gaze at passersby from posters bearing slogans such as "It's time to get back what's yours" and "Join up." According to Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko, more than 28,000 people have volunteered to serve in the formation.

>radio free europe

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

As Fighting Rages On At The Front, Thousands Join Ukraine's Offensive Guard

>radio free europe

I always find it amusing when you insist that Russian news is totally unbiased, and take offense to other people picking at your sources, but immediately pick at their sources as well.

[Tarsonis]

>radio free europe

I always find it amusing when you insist that Russian news is totally unbiased, and take offense to other people picking at your sources, but immediately pick at their sources as well.

Because that's all he has.

[Perikuresu]

Turkish MP hints at possibility of Finland's NATO Application being ratified on Wednesday, although it could also happen on Tuesday