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Postby Orostan » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:11 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Orostan wrote:Media is going to jump to defend its country by default. If the Russian government wanted to release information through state media they'd do it with material that supports the MoD statement. This is so obviously a mistake by the media, especially because it was contradicted by the government later.


I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.


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Orostan wrote:I'm openly a Marxist. I quote Stalin in my signature.


Again, there's no functional difference between idolizing Stalin and idolizing Hitler. Either way you're idolizing a genocidal shit stain on human history.

irrelevant to the subject of this thread and also wrong.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 pm

Orostan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:

I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.

Can you say the same about RT and Sputnik?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:13 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
???

He openly identifies as a Marxist-Leninist or whatever goofy splinter movement he thinks is most based.


Didn't know. Honestly they don't use the language that other MLs use when defending Russia. They use language and arguments i'd expect more from MAGA and alt-right neo-fascists.


You're not wrong tbh. Says a lot about the groups that Russia attracts that the rhetoric is practically the same between the Nazis and self-proclaimed Marxists.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:16 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Orostan wrote:I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.

Can you say the same about RT and Sputnik?

Yes. The only difference is that I think the Russian official story is more true than the American one. My problem with RT and Sputnik is that they cover for Putin's greatest mistakes which is following a strategy of limited war and not invading Ukraine in 2014. Putin has admitted that he made a mistake in trusting the west in 2014 and after the Minsk agreements. At this point Russia is trying to limit the war and limit escalation which is not what they should be doing. Putin should have simply declared formal war on the first day and done whatever was necessary to win as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the better Russia and China's geopolitical position becomes, but the more dangerous this is for the world because the US is given more time to escalate the war.
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Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:17 pm

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Northern Seleucia wrote:Can you say the same about RT and Sputnik?

Yes. The only difference is that I think the Russian official story is more true than the American one. My problem with RT and Sputnik is that they cover for Putin's greatest mistakes which is following a strategy of limited war and not invading Ukraine in 2014. Putin has admitted that he made a mistake in trusting the west in 2014 and after the Minsk agreements. At this point Russia is trying to limit the war and limit escalation which is not what they should be doing. Putin should have simply declared formal war on the first day and done whatever was necessary to win as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the better Russia and China's geopolitical position becomes, but the more dangerous this is for the world because the US is given more time to escalate the war.


Holy shit you really are living in a fantasy lol. Literally everything in this is false.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:17 pm

Orostan wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Can you say the same about RT and Sputnik?

Yes. The only difference is that I think the Russian official story is more true than the American one. My problem with RT and Sputnik is that they cover for Putin's greatest mistakes which is following a strategy of limited war and not invading Ukraine in 2014. Putin has admitted that he made a mistake in trusting the west in 2014 and after the Minsk agreements. At this point Russia is trying to limit the war and limit escalation which is not what they should be doing. Putin should have simply declared formal war on the first day and done whatever was necessary to win as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the better Russia and China's geopolitical position becomes, but the more dangerous this is for the world.

So although you admit it's tainted, you still believe Russia's official story more, which is, after all, what their news stories back?
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Postby Archinstinct » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Didn't know. Honestly they don't use the language that other MLs use when defending Russia. They use language and arguments i'd expect more from MAGA and alt-right neo-fascists.


You're not wrong tbh. Says a lot about the groups that Russia attracts that the rhetoric is practically the same between the Nazis and self-proclaimed Marxists.


I just got my third warning in two years in the american politics thread for calling out a marxist spewing drivel. Got attacked by 3-5 other marxists, got insults hurled at me and i'm pretty sure a socialist that attacks russia in this thread implied i should kill myself in that other thread, but i'm going to be the only one getting a warning because NS loves socialists or some shit.

If orostan started using language used more commonly amongst tankies unironically supporting russia, they'd never have to worry about being ridiculed like they are.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:18 pm

Orostan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:

I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.

"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave Channel One Russia journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the Kremlin, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered 298 people in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to issue a contradictory 'official' statement to cover up the fact that they got caught lying!"
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:21 pm

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Postby Orostan » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:22 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Orostan wrote:Yes. The only difference is that I think the Russian official story is more true than the American one. My problem with RT and Sputnik is that they cover for Putin's greatest mistakes which is following a strategy of limited war and not invading Ukraine in 2014. Putin has admitted that he made a mistake in trusting the west in 2014 and after the Minsk agreements. At this point Russia is trying to limit the war and limit escalation which is not what they should be doing. Putin should have simply declared formal war on the first day and done whatever was necessary to win as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the better Russia and China's geopolitical position becomes, but the more dangerous this is for the world.

So although you admit it's tainted, you still believe Russia's official story more, which is, after all, what their news stories back?

Yes, I think there are a large number of independent sources which can verify a lot of what RT for example says. I am not a regular reader of Sputnik, RT, or other Russian state or non-state news services.

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Orostan wrote:I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.

"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave Channel One Russia journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the Kremlin, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered 298 people in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to issue a contradictory 'official' statement to cover up the fact that they got caught lying!"

"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave CNN journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the White House, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered one million Iraqis in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to claim that they only made an innocent mistake!"

come the fuck on. I called the journalists idiots already. This is totally irrelevant to the subject of the discussion.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You're not wrong tbh. Says a lot about the groups that Russia attracts that the rhetoric is practically the same between the Nazis and self-proclaimed Marxists.


I just got my third warning in two years in the american politics thread for calling out a marxist spewing drivel. Got attacked by 3-5 other marxists, got insults hurled at me and i'm pretty sure a socialist that attacks russia in this thread implied i should kill myself in that other thread, but i'm going to be the only one getting a warning because NS loves socialists or some shit.

If orostan started using language used more commonly amongst tankies unironically supporting russia, they'd never have to worry about being ridiculed like they are.

I dislike most "Communists" on this website.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:23 pm

Orostan wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:So although you admit it's tainted, you still believe Russia's official story more, which is, after all, what their news stories back?

Yes, I think there are a large number of independent sources which can verify a lot of what RT for example says. I am not a regular reader of Sputnik, RT, or other Russian state or non-state news services.

Show me some.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:24 pm

Orostan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave Channel One Russia journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the Kremlin, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered 298 people in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to issue a contradictory 'official' statement to cover up the fact that they got caught lying!"

"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave CNN journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the White House, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered one million Iraqis in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to claim that they only made an innocent mistake!"

come the fuck on. I called the journalists idiots already. This is totally irrelevant to the subject of the discussion.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:26 pm

Orostan wrote:Are you citing the income from governments figure? I'm more concerned with "Income from other non-profit organizations" which would include the NED, as it is technically a private non-profit.


1. There's more to that post you're ignoring, unsurprisingly.

2. fine. 820k euros against a 2.2 million euro budget. how much did the NED actually give? Further, when you break down Greyzones flags here, there isn't much to go on beyond proximity. It makes many claims of these organizations being "clandestine fronts" but all the proof says anything but. several are clearly shady corporations trying to exploit government contracts for profit, but fronts? Not well established. at the end of it all, your claim that whatever the fuck site we're arguing about is a Western spy outlet is flimsy at best.


the funny part is, it doesn't matter. You confirmed the articles in question as true. By trying to defend the actions instead of dismiss the whole premise as false, you confirmed such reports did, in fact, happen. I don't need the CIA to connect the dots for me on that one.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:26 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Orostan wrote:Yes, I think there are a large number of independent sources which can verify a lot of what RT for example says. I am not a regular reader of Sputnik, RT, or other Russian state or non-state news services.

Show me some.

I did and you dismissed the source because you disagree with it and it has a bad and biased wikipedia page.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:26 pm

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Orostan wrote:"Meanwhile, I will stand and applaud those brave CNN journalists who, of their own free will and without any instructions whatsoever from the White House, lied to cover up the fact that their country murdered one million Iraqis in cold blood, for they are true patriots who love their country, and merely committed an error in judgment and totally didn't get caught lying thereby forcing the government to claim that they only made an innocent mistake!"

come the fuck on. I called the journalists idiots already. This is totally irrelevant to the subject of the discussion.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:

I don't care what Bellingcat says. Anything they say will be tainted by the fact that they are admitted recipients of US government support. They will never contradict the official story in the United States.


Tarsonis wrote:
Again, there's no functional difference between idolizing Stalin and idolizing Hitler. Either way you're idolizing a genocidal shit stain on human history.

irrelevant to the subject of this thread and also wrong.


We're aware you deny genocide when it suits you.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:27 pm

Orostan wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Show me some.

I did and you dismissed the source because you disagree with it and it has a bad and biased wikipedia page.

Nah, mate, I showed you the reasons why. Blumenthal is not credible in the slightest. He even spewed COVID-19 bullshit.
I read Sputnik and RT on the regular, in the original language. It's a load of shit, nothing more.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Orostan wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Can you say the same about RT and Sputnik?

Yes. The only difference is that I think the Russian official story is more true than the American one. My problem with RT and Sputnik is that they cover for Putin's greatest mistakes which is following a strategy of limited war and not invading Ukraine in 2014. Putin has admitted that he made a mistake in trusting the west in 2014 and after the Minsk agreements. At this point Russia is trying to limit the war and limit escalation which is not what they should be doing. Putin should have simply declared formal war on the first day and done whatever was necessary to win as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the better Russia and China's geopolitical position becomes, but the more dangerous this is for the world because the US is given more time to escalate the war.


You would think that. Your view isn't grounded in reason, it's grounded in tribalism. That's why you can believe such obvious nonsense such as this. Groucho Marx is indeed a much better role model than Karl, but "who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes" was satirical
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:37 pm

So, full invasion of Ukraine in 2014, and to be clear this would have been right after a popular uprising in Kyiv threw the pro-Russian president there out of office and the Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas just finished pissing off half of Europe by killing 300 EU citizens?

Well, I guess from the Russian perspective doing Afghanistan II: Steppe boogaloo in 2014 would technically be less embarassing than how the 2022 invasion IRL is going for them.
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:42 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You're not wrong tbh. Says a lot about the groups that Russia attracts that the rhetoric is practically the same between the Nazis and self-proclaimed Marxists.


I just got my third warning in two years in the american politics thread for calling out a marxist spewing drivel. Got attacked by 3-5 other marxists, got insults hurled at me and i'm pretty sure a socialist that attacks russia in this thread implied i should kill myself in that other thread, but i'm going to be the only one getting a warning because NS loves socialists or some shit.

If orostan started using language used more commonly amongst tankies unironically supporting russia, they'd never have to worry about being ridiculed like they are.

Yes, yes. You can go back to your "twitter trolling sessions" now.
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Postby Rhodesia-South Africa » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:45 pm

Rhodesia-South Africa is not taking sides in this war. Our leader claims he is impartial because he is in support for peace, but in reality, it is to covertly sell weapons to both Russia and Ukraine and profit off of both nations. I won’t be spending any more time on this thread since most of the nations on here are either Marxist Leninists or crypto-fascists who simp for Putin. At least the argument above is
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:46 pm

Orostan wrote:I dislike most "Communists" on this website.

The feeling is mutual, considering you simp for a pseudo-fascistic state capitalist dictatorship under the guise of "opposing imperialism" when you still support it. Yes, Ukraine is undoubtedly a war of two imperialist powers- fighting for control over Ukraine, but if you cared so much about imperialism then you would have long ago stated that you were neutral in this conflict or at least, you know- given support to the country being invaded rather than the country invading it.
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:46 pm

Rhodesia-South Africa wrote:Rhodesia-South Africa is not taking sides in this war. Our leader claims he is impartial because he is in support for peace, but in reality, it is to covertly sell weapons to both Russia and Ukraine and profit off of both nations

I wonder who THIS could be?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:51 pm

Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:
Orostan wrote:I dislike most "Communists" on this website.

The feeling is mutual, considering you simp for a pseudo-fascistic state capitalist dictatorship under the guise of "opposing imperialism" when you still support it. Yes, Ukraine is undoubtedly a war of two imperialist powers- fighting for control over Ukraine, but if you cared so much about imperialism then you would have long ago stated that you were neutral in this conflict or at least, you know- given support to the country being invaded rather than the country invading it.


^^^^^

This is the proper position to hold regarding Ukraine. Yes, NATO and friends are involved solely because it advances their interests and not because they're altruistic, but Russia in no way is fighting an anti-imperialist war. It's desperately clinging to the idea that it's still a relevant world power that can maintain its own sphere of influence and expand its borders at will. NATO and US forpol are bad, but they're not the ones turning Ukraine into rubble. Iraq, Libya and Ukraine were and are all unjustifiable acts of imperialism, if you start trying to justify any of them you lose any sense of coherency and cannot meaningfully call yourself an anti-imperialist.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:02 pm

Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:
Rhodesia-South Africa wrote:Rhodesia-South Africa is not taking sides in this war. Our leader claims he is impartial because he is in support for peace, but in reality, it is to covertly sell weapons to both Russia and Ukraine and profit off of both nations

I wonder who THIS could be?

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