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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:30 am

Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.


I'm sure you'll start expressing one someday.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:31 am

Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.

“A neutral opinion”

*looks at multiple posts denying facts and misunderstanding what genocide is. And outright refusing to accept sources.

“Neutral” indeed.
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Postby Jeriga » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 am

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Jeriga wrote:Yet it is committing genocide by relocating the children and kidnapping civilians to Russia.


The incumbent regime has fostered a racial hatred and prejudice for Ukrainians, and is executing a form of cultural genocide by taking these children and raising them as Russians, erasing their native culture and identity in favour of the Russian one. That is a form of genocide. It is mind-boggling than some would deny this.

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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:32 am

Continental Free States wrote:Question because I'm not really informed about tanks but uh, are the M1 Abrams tanks going to be more useful or the Leopard 2 tanks? Given the US is (understandably ig?) not giving them the uranium armor thing, I mean.

Seems more symbolic than anything, given in order to unblock the gift of Leopards. The later will be given in greater numbers and are easier to resupply.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:34 am

Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.

Ah yes, a neutral apologist for fascist imperialism. I’m you’ll bring a lot of nuanced pro-genocide arguments that every other shill hasn’t brought up yet.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:35 am

Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.

"im totes neutral dude..."
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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:36 am

Karynia wrote:
Continental Free States wrote:The US was not there to commit genocide in either Vietnam or Afghanistan though. Even ignoring the whole thing with there being little suitable terrain to fight a guerilla war outside the cities in in Ukraine in the way there were in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the bigger problem with guerillas is that hiding among civilians doesn't work when the other guy's main goal is killing the civilians.

Russia isn’t there to commit genocide in Ukraine, either.

What’s similar is that both America (in Vietnam) and Russia (in Ukraine) have committed war crimes. Genocide? No.

Russian actions in Ukraine are clearly genocidal. It's an open secret that Russia seeks the destruction of the Ukrainian identity that they call a Western fabrication.

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Postby Karynia » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:37 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.

"im totes neutral dude..."
"america robs countries 24/7 why cant russia rob countries"

It’s a neutral position. The same as saying “it’s a valid viewpoint that America may have had cause for military action in Iraq”.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:38 am

Karynia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:"im totes neutral dude..."
"america robs countries 24/7 why cant russia rob countries"

It’s a neutral position. The same as saying “it’s a valid viewpoint that America may have had cause for military action in Iraq”.

you do not, never have and never will understand what military neutrality is.
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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:39 am

Karynia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:"im totes neutral dude..."
"america robs countries 24/7 why cant russia rob countries"

It’s a neutral position. The same as saying “it’s a valid viewpoint that America may have had cause for military action in Iraq”.

It's not neutral, it's apologistic. Neutral would be criticizing both, not using America's bad examples to justify Russia's genocidal ones.

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Postby Shermania » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:39 am

Speaking of genocide, has anyone else noticed that a lot of the leaked Russian videos of troops complaining about not being fed seem to disproportionally feature Siberians?

If you're a young man from Yakutia, it seems like you go straight to the front line with no support, briefing, or rations.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:41 am

Shermania wrote:Speaking of genocide, has anyone else noticed that a lot of the leaked Russian videos of troops complaining about not being fed seem to disproportionally feature Siberians?

If you're a young man from Yakutia, it seems like you go straight to the front line with no support, briefing, or rations.

looks like russia will need 1000:1 ratios for any offensive instead of the usual 10 trained and motivated ones:1
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Postby Great Britain eke Northern Ireland » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:43 am

Shermania wrote:Speaking of genocide, has anyone else noticed that a lot of the leaked Russian videos of troops complaining about not being fed seem to disproportionally feature Siberians?

If you're a young man from Yakutia, it seems like you go straight to the front line with no support, briefing, or rations.


Earlier in the war, it was found that non-Russians comprised a disproportionate number of deaths among Russian casualties, and many were used as essentially cannon fodder. Crimean Tatars are one very notable example.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:44 am

Shermania wrote:Speaking of genocide, has anyone else noticed that a lot of the leaked Russian videos of troops complaining about not being fed seem to disproportionally feature Siberians?

If you're a young man from Yakutia, it seems like you go straight to the front line with no support, briefing, or rations.

Don’t forget they seem bent on eradicating Crimean Tatars with mass conscription and political purges. Putin’s empire is very explicitly one for ethnic Russians, and against everyone else.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:45 am

Petr Pavel: Ex-general beats populist rival in Czech election
looks like Russian shills took another fat L this week...
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Postby Raskana » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:47 am

I think its just a question who will launch their new offensive first.

Putin's Russia, or Ukraine.
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Postby Durius » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:49 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Petr Pavel: Ex-general beats populist rival in Czech election
looks like Russian shills took another fat L this week...

Brilliant news! Bye, bye, Babiš.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:09 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Petr Pavel: Ex-general beats populist rival in Czech election
looks like Russian shills took another fat L this week...

Patriots back in control
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:11 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Petr Pavel: Ex-general beats populist rival in Czech election
looks like Russian shills took another fat L this week...

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Postby Vistulange » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:14 am

Karynia wrote:It’s impossible to have a fair discussion when you’re accused of being a “Krembot” or ”Kremlinoid” for expressing a neutral opinion.

We've had your sort before. "Neutral", "critical", "unbiased", yada yada. We've heard it all in the previous four iterations of the thread. You're not original, you're not new, you're not neutral.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:27 am

Shermania wrote:Speaking of genocide, has anyone else noticed that a lot of the leaked Russian videos of troops complaining about not being fed seem to disproportionally feature Siberians?

If you're a young man from Yakutia, it seems like you go straight to the front line with no support, briefing, or rations.

Looks like Putin's HOI4 Great War mod speedrun is already approaching 1917...
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Postby United Northen States Canada » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:30 am

To choose Russia side now,after all they did and are actually doing towards innocent people is completely wrong and shows a lack of humanity.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:22 am

I assume the "Bakhmut is going as planned" is simply because Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of men for one not particularly noteworthy city, so even though Ukraine's situation there is looking potentially dire, Russia has wasted thousands for no real gains? That's my biggest reason i'd see why its considered to be going well.

I mean I've heard like half of Wagner Group has been wiped out already, that's pretty insane. Wagner Group seems to be performing better than the Russian army is so once that's gone, that's bad for them.
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Postby Romanic Imperium » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:32 am

Corrian wrote:I assume the "Bakhmut is going as planned" is simply because Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of men for one not particularly noteworthy city, so even though Ukraine's situation there is looking potentially dire, Russia has wasted thousands for no real gains? That's my biggest reason i'd see why its considered to be going well.

I mean I've heard like half of Wagner Group has been wiped out already, that's pretty insane. Wagner Group seems to be performing better than the Russian army is so once that's gone, that's bad for them.


Bakhmut has little actual strategic value. It's only something putting is trying to use to say "hey look were winning"
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Postby Vistulange » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:32 am

Corrian wrote:I assume the "Bakhmut is going as planned" is simply because Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of men for one not particularly noteworthy city, so even though Ukraine's situation there is looking potentially dire, Russia has wasted thousands for no real gains? That's my biggest reason i'd see why its considered to be going well.

I mean I've heard like half of Wagner Group has been wiped out already, that's pretty insane. Wagner Group seems to be performing better than the Russian army is so once that's gone, that's bad for them.

To be fair, we've heard that half of Wagner Group has been wiped out several times now. Granted, they could all be true and that new recruits may have taken the place of those who died, but just saying.

It's kind of like the "Russia's economy will give way any day now!" thing. It doesn't work like that, and it was never intended to work like that.

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