The Ukrainian War V: Tanks For The Memories

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

To be honest (and this isn't really about URFR as much as it is towards the idea of "Putin's War in Ukraine") this rhetoric of "Russians are being lied to by their propaganda, this is why they support the Russian invasion" is a flawed argument that misses the fact that Russian people by and large (in and out of Russia) do support the expansion of Russia into areas traditionally within their zone of influence (especially territories formerly controlled by iterations of Russia). It's the same thing as with non-Reich Germans by and large supporting Nazi Germany's invasions (when they were going ok at least) and not really out of ordinary for the diaspora of any country with high levels of revanchism. They're not a monolith, sure, but they generally do support the Russian government's adventurism because it panders into Nationalist sensations. Why would it need to be brainwashing?

From what I’ve seen and heard, Russians in Europe have shown themselves to be most often a fifth columnist demographic that may actively threaten the national security of several countries in Europe, most especially the Baltic nations, Poland, Germany, and occupied Moldova ("Transnistria"). This nationalist sentiment possessed by Russians outside of Russia is most concerning and should be addressed with the same urgency as Islamism was during the height of IS.

[Jeriga]

To be honest (and this isn't really about URFR as much as it is towards the idea of "Putin's War in Ukraine") this rhetoric of "Russians are being lied to by their propaganda, this is why they support the Russian invasion" is a flawed argument that misses the fact that Russian people by and large (in and out of Russia) do support the expansion of Russia into areas traditionally within their zone of influence (especially territories formerly controlled by iterations of Russia). It's the same thing as with non-Reich Germans by and large supporting Nazi Germany's invasions (when they were going ok at least) and not really out of ordinary for the diaspora of any country with high levels of revanchism. They're not a monolith, sure, but they generally do support the Russian government's adventurism because it panders into Nationalist sensations. Why would it need to be brainwashing?

From what I’ve seen and heard, Russians in Europe have shown themselves to be most often a fifth columnist demographic that may actively threaten the national security of several countries in Europe, most especially the Baltic nations, Poland, Germany, and occupied Moldova ("Transnistria"). This nationalist sentiment possessed by Russians outside of Russia is most concerning and should be addressed with the same urgency as Islamism was during the height of IS.

that led to massive discrimination. No one should be discriminated against for their place of birth or their religion.

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

that led to massive discrimination. No one should be discriminated against for their place of birth or their religion.

That doesn’t address the threat posed by Russian nationalists and nationalist networks in Europe. They’re an internal and supranational security risk and they cannot be left to exist if Europeans wish to safeguard themselves from spying, infiltration, and sabotage by Russian agents operating through the nationalist networks.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

From what I’ve seen and heard, Russians in Europe have shown themselves to be most often a fifth columnist demographic that may actively threaten the national security of several countries in Europe, most especially the Baltic nations, Poland, Germany, and occupied Moldova ("Transnistria").

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This nationalist sentiment possessed by Russians outside of Russia is most concerning and should be addressed with the same urgency as Islamism was during the height of IS.

that led to massive discrimination. No one should be discriminated against for their place of birth or their religion.

Often, nationalists use the ability of “othering”, when referring to “national security ‘threats’”. The use of such rhetoric, is often accompanied by crackdowns on communities with harsh impurities! (See: McCarthyism)

[Rusozak]

that led to massive discrimination. No one should be discriminated against for their place of birth or their religion.

That doesn’t address the threat posed by Russian nationalists and nationalist networks in Europe. They’re an internal and supranational security risk and they cannot be left to exist if Europeans wish to safeguard themselves from spying, infiltration, and sabotage by Russian agents operating through the nationalist networks.

Isn't this a copy and paste of the whole argument about terrorists and not letting Syrian refugees into Europe?

[Abilene Animals]

From what I’ve seen and heard, Russians in Europe have shown themselves to be most often a fifth columnist demographic that may actively threaten the national security of several countries in Europe, most especially the Baltic nations, Poland, Germany, and occupied Moldova ("Transnistria"). This nationalist sentiment possessed by Russians outside of Russia is most concerning and should be addressed with the same urgency as Islamism was during the height of IS.

that led to massive discrimination. No one should be discriminated against for their place of birth or their religion.

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

Isn't this a copy and paste of the whole argument about terrorists and not letting Syrian refugees into Europe?

Russian nationalist networks are more entrenched and, I fear, more organised than Syrian Islamists. The latter arrived in foreign lands with few contacts and acted as lone wolves, while Russian agents may use established nationalist networks in European countries. That greater organisation and links to the motherland are a cause for concern if any country is seriously concerned by Russian infiltration and espionage.

On a positive note, their more established and interlinked nature may make it easier to monitor and manage potential Russian espionage and intelligence activities.

[Bahrimontagn]

Isn't this a copy and paste of the whole argument about terrorists and not letting Syrian refugees into Europe?

Russian nationalist networks are more entrenched and, I fear, more organised than Syrian Islamists. The latter arrived in foreign lands with few contacts and acted as lone wolves, while Russian agents may use established nationalist networks in European countries. That greater organisation and links to the motherland are a cause for concern if any country is seriously concerned by Russian infiltration and espionage.

On a positive note, their more established and interlinked nature may make it easier to monitor and manage potential Russian espionage and intelligence activities.

I don't really care since Russians have already infiltrated your beloved United Kingdom in the form of Oligarchs and Honours by your politicians.

[Jeriga]

Isn't this a copy and paste of the whole argument about terrorists and not letting Syrian refugees into Europe?

Russian nationalist networks are more entrenched and, I fear, more organised than Syrian Islamists. The latter arrived in foreign lands with few contacts and acted as lone wolves, while Russian agents may use established nationalist networks in European countries. That greater organisation and links to the motherland are a cause for concern if any country is seriously concerned by Russian infiltration and espionage.

On a positive note, their more established and interlinked nature may make it easier to monitor and manage potential Russian espionage and intelligence activities.

Got any evidence

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

I don't really care since Russians have already infiltrated your beloved United Kingdom in the form of Oligarchs and Honours by your politicians.

I’m well aware of that. Our politicians have been consistently stabbing the country and the public in the back for decades; favours paid and rewards given to Russian oligarchs by our own politicians is a significant problem that needs immediate addressing.

Got any evidence

I did say initially that I am speaking primarily from what I’ve seen and heard. I’m expressing significant concern about the potential threat posed by Russian agents operating out of, through and within the Russian nationalist networks and communities across Europe, as said communities have been openly supportive of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and through this may pose a wider security risk. That isn’t desirable if one is concerned with Russian infiltration and espionage.

[Jeriga]

I don't really care since Russians have already infiltrated your beloved United Kingdom in the form of Oligarchs and Honours by your politicians.

I’m well aware of that. Our politicians have been consistently stabbing the country and the public in the back for decades; favours paid and rewards given to Russian oligarchs by our own politicians is a significant problem that needs immediate addressing.

Got any evidence

I did say initially that I am speaking primarily from what I’ve seen and heard. I’m expressing significant concern about the potential threat posed by Russian agents operating out of, through and within the Russian nationalist networks and communities across Europe, as said communities have been openly supportive of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and through this may pose a wider security risk. That isn’t desirable if one is concerned with Russian infiltration and espionage.

Yeah so you have squat. Claim dismissed. Begone.

[Picairn]

Isn't this a copy and paste of the whole argument about terrorists and not letting Syrian refugees into Europe?

Russian nationalist networks are more entrenched and, I fear, more organised than Syrian Islamists. The latter arrived in foreign lands with few contacts and acted as lone wolves, while Russian agents may use established nationalist networks in European countries. That greater organisation and links to the motherland are a cause for concern if any country is seriously concerned by Russian infiltration and espionage.

On a positive note, their more established and interlinked nature may make it easier to monitor and manage potential Russian espionage and intelligence activities.

FSB and GRU agents mostly inflitrate Western governments by recruiting local moles or posing as wealthy elites/academics from South America, not rando Russian civilians.

[Picairn]

A detailed debunking thread of Hersh's story regarding the planting explosives part.

Spoiler alert: What Hersh described is a very noisy, expensive and not-secret operation. The opposite of a covert op.

[Ifreann]

the bank robber who emptied 10,000 machine gun rounds inside the bank accuses his victims of being bank robbers

You are trying to make a mockery of me.

You're coming here and telling us that the Russians are fighting a Satanic New World Order. You're making a mockery of yourself.

[Senkaku]

A detailed debunking thread of Hersh's story regarding the planting explosives part.

Spoiler alert: What Hersh described is a very noisy, expensive and not-secret operation. The opposite of a covert op.

Lol rip to Seymour, that old nut. Also I’m glad to see we operate on the exact same level of discourse and rigor

he had jewish ancestry

He had a single Jewish great grandfather, but status as a Jew passes maternally through the mother. You're repeating low tier Nazi propaganda without even knowing anything about the topic.

Thanks for the totally unnecessary one-sentence race science lesson followed by the denunciation of Nazism. I feel much better

[Washington Resistance Army]

Thanks for the totally unnecessary one-sentence race science lesson followed by the denunciation of Nazism. I feel much better

It's not race science, it's Jewish custom/law.

[Picairn]

North of Kupiansk: The AFU repulsed attacks in the area of Hryanikyvka and Masyutivka. RU MoD claimed capture of Dvorichne. Increased activity in this area, units from the 1st Guards Tank army are operating here.

[-Astoria-]

Well, we've finally gotten to the point where the "new world order" shtick is released.

I'm referring to the west.

Indeed: that was already assumed.

[United Russian Federal Republic]

You are trying to make a mockery of me.

You're coming here and telling us that the Russians are fighting a Satanic New World Order. You're making a mockery of yourself.

I am not. I say these things because it is the truth. It is a war of survival.

[Ifreann]

You're coming here and telling us that the Russians are fighting a Satanic New World Order. You're making a mockery of yourself.

I am not. I say these things because it is the truth. It is a war of survival.

And the fact that you believe these things is hilarious.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

You're coming here and telling us that the Russians are fighting a Satanic New World Order. You're making a mockery of yourself.

I am not. I say these things because it is the truth. It is a war of survival.

Yes, you see, most of us believe that things are usually true, until you say they’re true, at which point it’s probably horse shit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am not. I say these things because it is the truth. It is a war of survival.

And the fact that you believe these things is hilarious.

Urfr believing them may be hilarious but it gets slightly less hilarious when Sergei Lavrov the Antisemite believes them.

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

FSB and GRU agents mostly inflitrate Western governments by recruiting local moles or posing as wealthy elites/academics from South America, not rando Russian civilians.

That’s a fair point. I’ve heard of several incidents involving Russian spies posing as South American nationals, like that academic who’d been recently arrested in Norway, I think.

[Picairn]

That’s a fair point. I’ve heard of several incidents involving Russian spies posing as South American nationals, like that academic who’d been recently arrested in Norway, I think.

Those incidents are what I'm referring to, yes. Russian intelligence services have a particular affinity for Brazil for some reason.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Watching docus regarding unexploded WWII bombs reminded me that it must be really fun demining all the explosive crap Russia's been hurling at Ukrainian cities for almost a whole year...