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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:15 am

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Northern Seleucia wrote:Russia hits a residential apartment block in New York (In Donetsk, not US)

As opposed to this New York.

Thanks for the clarification, else people may have confused it with this New York.
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Postby Transsibiria » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:26 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:
As opposed to this New York.

Thanks for the clarification, else people may have confused it with this New York.


Or this New York. The Battle of New York. never forget.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:44 am

Transsibiria wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Thanks for the clarification, else people may have confused it with this New York.


Or this New York. The Battle of New York. never forget.

I know, I was there. It was intense, I just remember the waves of VDV....

Seriously, though...that was way back when we thought Russia could do this....
Now Russia can't even take New York, Ukraine.
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Postby Perikuresu » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:54 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:Now Russia can't even take New York, Ukraine.

They will if Ukraine retreats from Bakhmut, and idk about y'all but I don't like how high the chances of Ukraine retreating from Bakhmut is
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:12 am

Perikuresu wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Now Russia can't even take New York, Ukraine.

They will if Ukraine retreats from Bakhmut, and idk about y'all but I don't like how high the chances of Ukraine retreating from Bakhmut is

A ZSU General recently commented on this. This general was credited with the defense of Kyiv and the Kharkiv Counteroffensive, and he claimed:
Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of the AFU’s Ground Forces, said that the Bakhmut district and the city itself were preparing for defense, and that the Kremlin’s troops will be unable to break in, in comments reported by the pro-government Telegram news channel Ukraina 365 and Military Media Center. “The city (Bakhmut) is surrounded by dominant heights and hills, which in themselves prevent the advance of the enemy. Construction of engineering barriers (like mines and barbed wire) and the natural landscape make it an ‘impregnable fortress,’ which will lead to the destruction of the best divisions of the invaders,” he said."
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Postby Jeriga » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:26 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:They will if Ukraine retreats from Bakhmut, and idk about y'all but I don't like how high the chances of Ukraine retreating from Bakhmut is

A ZSU General recently commented on this. This general was credited with the defense of Kyiv and the Kharkiv Counteroffensive, and he claimed:
Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of the AFU’s Ground Forces, said that the Bakhmut district and the city itself were preparing for defense, and that the Kremlin’s troops will be unable to break in, in comments reported by the pro-government Telegram news channel Ukraina 365 and Military Media Center. “The city (Bakhmut) is surrounded by dominant heights and hills, which in themselves prevent the advance of the enemy. Construction of engineering barriers (like mines and barbed wire) and the natural landscape make it an ‘impregnable fortress,’ which will lead to the destruction of the best divisions of the invaders,” he said."


I hate it when commanders say things like that. It destroys their careers if it fails and makes the command staff look incompetent. Silent competence is much better.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:27 am

Jeriga wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:A ZSU General recently commented on this. This general was credited with the defense of Kyiv and the Kharkiv Counteroffensive, and he claimed:


I hate it when commanders say things like that. It destroys their careers if it fails and makes the command staff look incompetent. Silent competence is much better.

Regardless, I do hope he is correct.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:30 am

Huge Wagner casualties have made Russian prisoners far less enthusiastic to join, leading to a collapse in recruitment rates. In addition, prison administrators are less cooperative, since Wagner's recruitment drives are taking away free slave labor for government-operated factories.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:47 am

Adamede wrote:
How does said teacher justify it as a religious war? What exactly are they defining as religion here, and how its a religious conflict?


While I agree that it was a cartoonishly oversimplified shit take by the teacher, one can’t deny a religious dimension to the conflict. Russian propaganda specifically states they are fighting against “Satan” and Patriarch Kirill claims that all Russians who die fighting are guaranteed salvation as they are fighting a holy war against the enemies of God.

How is this a religious conflict? I don’t know. Ask the Patriarch, he’s way more qualified to talk about Christianity than I am.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:13 am

Picairn wrote:Huge Wagner casualties have made Russian prisoners far less enthusiastic to join, leading to a collapse in recruitment rates. In addition, prison administrators are less cooperative, since Wagner's recruitment drives are taking away free slave labor for government-operated factories.

More good news.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:34 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Picairn wrote:Update: Our guy is dead.

Are they gonna make a goblet of his skull.


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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:35 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Are they gonna make a goblet of his skull.


Who wants a cup with a hole in it?

Fair enough.
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Postby Finlandis » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:50 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Who wants a cup with a hole in it?

Fair enough.

Well, he could fill it with a bottomless drink :)
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:52 am

Finlandis wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Fair enough.

Well, he could fill it with a bottomless drink :)

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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:10 am

Picairn wrote:Huge Wagner casualties have made Russian prisoners far less enthusiastic to join, leading to a collapse in recruitment rates. In addition, prison administrators are less cooperative, since Wagner's recruitment drives are taking away free slave labor for government-operated factories.


How enthusiastic were they before?
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Postby Great Britain eke Northern Ireland » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:27 am

Autumn Wind wrote:While I agree that it was a cartoonishly oversimplified shit take by the teacher, one can’t deny a religious dimension to the conflict. Russian propaganda specifically states they are fighting against “Satan” and Patriarch Kirill claims that all Russians who die fighting are guaranteed salvation as they are fighting a holy war against the enemies of God.

How is this a religious conflict? I don’t know. Ask the Patriarch, he’s way more qualified to talk about Christianity than I am.


Ukraine attempting to separate from the Moscow Patriarchate is a notable piece of context for the conflict and Ukraine’s wider departure from the Russian world. The Patriarchate of Kyiv has gotten approval from the Patriarch of Constantinople, which upset Kirill, and he refuses to recognise the Patriarchate of Kyiv, even as it takes over more Ukrainian parishes.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:01 am

Great Britain eke Northern Ireland wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:While I agree that it was a cartoonishly oversimplified shit take by the teacher, one can’t deny a religious dimension to the conflict. Russian propaganda specifically states they are fighting against “Satan” and Patriarch Kirill claims that all Russians who die fighting are guaranteed salvation as they are fighting a holy war against the enemies of God.

How is this a religious conflict? I don’t know. Ask the Patriarch, he’s way more qualified to talk about Christianity than I am.


Ukraine attempting to separate from the Moscow Patriarchate is a notable piece of context for the conflict and Ukraine’s wider departure from the Russian world. The Patriarchate of Kyiv has gotten approval from the Patriarch of Constantinople, which upset Kirill, and he refuses to recognise the Patriarchate of Kyiv, even as it takes over more Ukrainian parishes.

The Ukrainian church separating from Moscow is entirely a result of the initial Russian invasion in 2014 and rather than being a cause.

Kyiv only appealed to Constantinople for autocephaly in 2016 and this was only granted in 2019.

Any religious dimension to this conflict is entirely caused by the pre-existing political conflict, and the conflict cannot reasonably be viewed as religious in nature.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:01 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Great Britain eke Northern Ireland wrote:
Ukraine attempting to separate from the Moscow Patriarchate is a notable piece of context for the conflict and Ukraine’s wider departure from the Russian world. The Patriarchate of Kyiv has gotten approval from the Patriarch of Constantinople, which upset Kirill, and he refuses to recognise the Patriarchate of Kyiv, even as it takes over more Ukrainian parishes.

The Ukrainian church separating from Moscow is entirely a result of the initial Russian invasion in 2014 and rather than being a cause.

Kyiv only appealed to Constantinople for autocephaly in 2016 and this was only granted in 2019.

Any religious dimension to this conflict is entirely caused by the pre-existing political conflict, and the conflict cannot reasonably be viewed as religious in nature.

Agreed
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Postby Nuevo Baltenstein » Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:12 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:

I know, I was there. It was intense, I just remember the waves of VDV....

Seriously, though...that was way back when we thought Russia could do this....
Now Russia can't even take New York, Ukraine.


To be fair, Call of Duty's premise (Russia being capable of simultaneously fighting a civil war inside its borders, invading the Western US and most of Europe) was never not ridiculous.

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Postby Autumn Wind » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:18 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Any religious dimension to this conflict is entirely caused by the pre-existing political conflict, and the conflict cannot reasonably be viewed as religious in nature.


Aside from the explicitly religious overtones of their propaganda.

When hasn’t a religious conflict had an underlining economic or political context?
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Postby Adamede » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:20 pm

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Jeriga wrote:Apparently zelensky is in the UK and will meet the King. He has an affinity for old men apparently

Zelensky should be staying in his own country.

This is only his second international trip out of Ukraine since the war started. You have no idea what you’re talking.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:20 pm

Nuevo Baltenstein wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:I know, I was there. It was intense, I just remember the waves of VDV....

Seriously, though...that was way back when we thought Russia could do this....
Now Russia can't even take New York, Ukraine.


To be fair, Call of Duty's premise (Russia being capable of simultaneously fighting a civil war inside its borders, invading the Western US and most of Europe) was never not ridiculous.


Let alone that game where North Korea was the country invading the U.S…
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