The Ukrainian War V: Tanks For The Memories

[New Zoigai]

Russian Strengths & Capabilities in Ukraine - Why Russia is still a threat in 2023

From Perun. As much as the weakness of the Russian army is memed I feel this may lead to an underestimation of what they are still capable of. In order to truly fight Russia, one must understand their remaining strengths and find ways to counter them, lest they repeat the same mistake Russia made regarding Ukraine in 2022 Febuary.

Russia is still a threat in 2023 because you can't just waltz in there and destroy them. They are still a gargantuan regional power who with better doctrine could have actually defeated Ukraine by now.

Did forget to mention the nukes?

[Tarsonis]

Proof?

Proof of what? It is their emblem. A Wolfsangel symbol.

Azov is dead. Wagner is not. You lie as easy as breathing comerade, but we're not fooled.

[Rusozak]

Proof?

Proof of what? It is their emblem. A Wolfsangel symbol.

Meanwhile, your allies.

[El Lazaro]

Proof?

Proof of what? It is their emblem. A Wolfsangel symbol.

The rashist Z is a simplified wolfsangel

[Picairn]

Proof of what? It is their emblem. A Wolfsangel symbol.

Meanwhile, your allies.

The leader of this group, Milchakov, is an open neo-Nazi and has a knack for mutilation - of both animals and Ukrainian prisoners.

[Northern Seleucia]

Russian forces shell the city of Kherson, killing three people, injuring six others, and damaging a hospital, school, and bus station.

[Tarsonis]

Russian forces shell the city of Kherson, killing three people, injuring six others, and damaging a hospital, school, and bus station.

Yep, this is what our resident Vatniks support, nazis that torture prisoners and their troops shelling civilians.

[Northern Seleucia]

Russian forces shell the city of Kherson, killing three people, injuring six others, and damaging a hospital, school, and bus station.

Yep, this is what our resident Vatniks support, nazis that torture prisoners and their troops shelling civilians.

No matter how hard one tries to sugarcoat it, supporting the Russian war effort is supporting horrific war crimes and genocide. You can claim to "denounce" the war crimes and support the idea of a "special military operation" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you support an ongoing genocide.

[New Zoigai]

Yep, this is what our resident Vatniks support, nazis that torture prisoners and their troops shelling civilians.

No matter how hard one tries to sugarcoat it, supporting the Russian war effort is supporting horrific war crimes and genocide. You can claim to "denounce" the war crimes and support the idea of a "special military operation" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you support an ongoing genocide.

One should expect a lot of civilians to die in a "Special Military Operation", especially when the operator is only effectively using missiles and artillery while much of their other forces are hot garbage. The term "war crime" is somewhat meaningless because you're still brutally killing people at the end of the day, rather they can defend themselves or not. rather by bomb or by gas, rather civilians or soldiers and rather intentionally or "unintentionally" your still murdering people who don't deserve it.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I am not praising Nazis. I am praising the soldiers and men of Vagner.

ok that's unapologetic nazism right there lad...
just like all those fuckers who says "im not a nazi i just have a very special interest in nazi supertanks and wunderwaffen"

And not in the "I find the engineering shenanigans and project mismanagement to be a neat case study" kind of way.

It is not. The SMO is against Nazism. Members of Vagner may sometimes be Nazis, but just like Azov.
-It is their emblem. A Wolfsangel symbol.

dude utkin their gangster boss is an unapologetic wehraboo who tattoos waffen-ss shit on his body

That is the baeutty of patches, they can be and were removed and replaced

Also, a wolfsangel is essentially a caltrop, but for killling predatory wolves. It's not really a unique field implement, like a hammer and shovel.*
-But yeah, it got replaced with a three swords.

*Hell, native Americans used a similar device as a fish-hook.
-Although calling themselves the fearsome sniggle-hooks would probably not strike as much fear as some sort of wolf-anchor.

Further hilarious when you consider that the Z-symbol representing the SMO is just a simplified wolfangel.

So there really is no winning on any grounds in that arguement.

[El Lazaro]

It was a good tank, from a capabilities stand point. from a production standpoint, not so much.

The Tiger was an overweight box that couldn't do anything that the Pershing couldn't do with two-thirds of the weight. If they put as much effort into designing an efficient sloped armor layout as they put into designing the needlessly complicated interleaved suspension to carry that overweight armored box, they might have actually had a good tank.

But we digress...

I know basically nothing about tanks, but it seems like the better one sounds on paper, the less effective it is in practice.

[Jeriga]

No matter how hard one tries to sugarcoat it, supporting the Russian war effort is supporting horrific war crimes and genocide. You can claim to "denounce" the war crimes and support the idea of a "special military operation" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you support an ongoing genocide.

One should expect a lot of civilians to die in a "Special Military Operation", especially when the operator is only effectively using missiles and artillery while much of their other forces are hot garbage. The term "war crime" is somewhat meaningless because you're still brutally killing people at the end of the day, rather they can defend themselves or not. rather by bomb or by gas, rather civilians or soldiers and rather intentionally or "unintentionally" your still murdering people who don't deserve it.

"War crimes" are not meaningless. Massacring civilians wholesale and purposely targeting civilian structures with no military capacity is a crime for a reason. Unnecessary cruelty that starts a cycle of escalating cruelty is a war crime for a reason. It's to try and limit the human cost of war and the cruelty of it. Those crimes exist and after the war is over, the world comes for those perpetrators

[Archinstinct]

ok that's unapologetic nazism right there lad...
just like all those fuckers who says "im not a nazi im just very interested in nazi supertanks and wunderwaffen"

It is not. The SMO is against Nazism. Members of Vagner may sometimes be Nazis, but just like Azov.

Azov have the emblem used by the SS, and you are not saying a word.

I'll be happy to say a word to you! You probably wouldn't like it.

[Karynia]

It is not. The SMO is against Nazism. Members of Vagner may sometimes be Nazis, but just like Azov.

Azov have the emblem used by the SS, and you are not saying a word.

I'll be happy to say a word to you! You probably wouldn't like it.

Judging that you proudly are a member of “NAFO” it’d probably be something as embarrassing as he’d say himself.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I'll be happy to say a word to you! :) You probably wouldn't like it.

Judging that you proudly are a member of “NAFO” it’d probably be something as embarrassing as he’d say himself.

the mote, the beam and your eyes.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

NAFO is made up of a bunch of internet meme creators who tell jokes about the Ukrainian war and it is certainly no less credible than what comes out of the Russian Ministry of Defence of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs these days.

The actual performance of the Russian Army has transcended even the most ridiculous jokes made about their efficacy, or rather the lack thereof.

[Archinstinct]

I'll be happy to say a word to you! You probably wouldn't like it.

Judging that you proudly are a member of “NAFO” it’d probably be something as embarrassing as he’d say himself.

That's a fair observation. After all, why would I want to make a Kremlintarian look good by engaging them in legitimate debate when all they have to post is regurgitated propaganda ?

[Archinstinct]

NAFO is made up of a bunch of internet meme creators who tell jokes about the Ukrainian war and it is certainly no less credible than what comes out of the Russian Ministry of Defence of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs these days.

The actual performance of the Russian Army has transcended even the most ridiculous jokes made about their efficacy, or rather the lack thereof.

We're more than a bunch of meme creators. One "fella" is the widow of a recently ukrainian recently murdered by wagner neo-nazis. The movement has gone past the point of being a few fella forgers on twitter.

It's Ukrainians fighting back, it's pro-democracy protesters from taiwan and hong kong to america and the united kingdom. It's famous celebrities and politicians across the political spectrum. It's a grass-roots coalition of people from all walks of life with the common ground of wishing to give murderous regimes like putin's russia the middle finger. All the while fucking with russian propaganda efforts or the useful idiots said propaganda brainwashes, or fundraising for causes like supporting Ukraine, or fucking with the kremlin's fundraising efforts. Sometimes all of the above.

[Karynia]

NAFO is made up of a bunch of internet meme creators who tell jokes about the Ukrainian war and it is certainly no less credible than what comes out of the Russian Ministry of Defence of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs these days.

The actual performance of the Russian Army has transcended even the most ridiculous jokes made about their efficacy, or rather the lack thereof.

We're more than a bunch of meme creators. One "fella" is the widow of a recently ukrainian recently murdered by wagner neo-nazis. The movement has gone past the point of being a few fella forgers on twitter.

It's Ukrainians fighting back, it's pro-democracy protesters from taiwan and hong kong to america and the united kingdom. It's famous celebrities and politicians across the political spectrum. It's a grass-roots coalition of people from all walks of life with the common ground of wishing to give murderous regimes like putin's russia the middle finger. All the while fucking with russian propaganda efforts or the useful idiots said propaganda brainwashes, or fundraising for causes like supporting Ukraine, or fucking with the kremlin's fundraising efforts. Sometimes all of the above.

It’s internet shitposting, nothing more.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

We're more than a bunch of meme creators. One "fella" is the widow of a recently ukrainian recently murdered by wagner neo-nazis. The movement has gone past the point of being a few fella forgers on twitter.

It's Ukrainians fighting back, it's pro-democracy protesters from taiwan and hong kong to america and the united kingdom. It's famous celebrities and politicians across the political spectrum. It's a grass-roots coalition of people from all walks of life with the common ground of wishing to give murderous regimes like putin's russia the middle finger. All the while fucking with russian propaganda efforts or the useful idiots said propaganda brainwashes, or fundraising for causes like supporting Ukraine, or fucking with the kremlin's fundraising efforts. Sometimes all of the above.

It’s internet shitposting, nothing more.

and what are you doing?

[Archinstinct]

It’s internet shitposting, nothing more.

Cool story bro.

[Karynia]

It’s internet shitposting, nothing more.

and what are you doing?

Posting things that you disagree with.

It’s internet shitposting, nothing more.

Cool story bro.

You say, after that long-winded, misty-eyed post about NAFO.

[Archinstinct]

"War crimes" are not meaningless. Massacring civilians wholesale and purposely targeting civilian structures with no military capacity is a crime for a reason. Unnecessary cruelty that starts a cycle of escalating cruelty is a war crime for a reason. It's to try and limit the human cost of war and the cruelty of it. Those crimes exist and after the war is over, the world comes for those perpetrators

100% in agreement with this post.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Posting things that you disagree with.

usually arrant arrogance is a negative personality trait.

[Archinstinct]

Posting things that you disagree with.

usually arrant arrogance is a negative personality trait.

I suggest people refrain from engaging the pro-russian poster, since one way they stand to gain here is derailing the thread into pointless bickering.

You say, after that long-winded, misty-eyed post about NAFO.