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Hand on heart, I don't know if I have any values anymore as I've become so disillusioned and apathetic about everything.

I vaguely consider 'freedom' to be my main value but even then I don't do that much to defend it - I still follow a lot of society's more arbitrary rules, I still do what my boss tells me in exchange for money (i.e. I exchange freedom for material security) and the most I've done politically has been to grumble and vote for whoever isn't in power, knowing full well that no one I vote for is sincere about respecting freedom.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love a chance to kill a bunch of innocent people and frame it as a moral crusade to make myself feel better about it, but I don't think there's a lot I can do and I'm not really inclined to expend energy trying to change things that are outside of my control.

When I was younger and more idealistic I'd have probably fought for something - which is no doubt why most militaries prefer young men to people my age - but these days I just don't care about anything.

Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:

Floofybit wrote:I wouldn't kill anyone. However, if you try to ban my religion, you can't. I'll keep worshipping, even up until the point where you kill me

I prefer to just wait out your generation. Your religion will simply die of old age, which by itself should be enough to prove that it is false. Islam, wasn't it? Basically plagiarized from Christianity and Judaism, just like Mormonism.

Another prophet of aheist that took as their role to crusade against all other religions. Hopefully when you reach proper adulthood you'll have understand that being an atheist doesn't require to make atheism your religion and that you don't actually need the extreme mentality of hating other people's peaceful believes.

It would be an obligation.

Rusozak wrote:The type of scenario described by the OP doesn't exist. There is no situation where one would have to commit genocide in self defense. It's nonsensical. I can't provide an answer for a paradoxical hypothetical.

I wouldn't be quite so sure. Imagine your country was way smaller than the aggressor's and however good your army may be, you wouldn't be able to withstand in the long run if they threw wave after wave at you. The only way to win this war is to use your WMDs. It's still not a very realistic scenario, but not totally impossible either.

My values include not killing people. So killing people would destroy my values and this hypothetical doesn't really work.

depends on the values tbh

The question is so vague to be meaningless.

Loeje wrote:My values include not killing people. So killing people would destroy my values and this hypothetical doesn't really work.

Rusozak wrote:The type of scenario described by the OP doesn't exist. There is no situation where one would have to commit genocide in self defense. It's nonsensical. I can't provide an answer for a paradoxical hypothetical.

Yeah this shit's bizarre.

Loeje wrote:My values include not killing people. So killing people would destroy my values and this hypothetical doesn't really work.

Me too!
I'd try to convert the invading nation by shining example of treating everyone as respectfully as I can manage. So, I guess the OP will kill us instead.

Depends what values are threatened.
Has my language lost preferential treatment?
Yes, they all need to die. The very concept of their nation must cease to exist.
Do they demand that I'm their vassal or they murder me?
That's self defence, no need to condemn Ru your completely hypothetical nation.

Is this the answer you're looking for?

I wouldn’t commit genocide because genocide goes against my values.

if needed (no other option exists), and it’s something extremely important to society, I would go after the people responsible.

I am a liberal Democrat Biden supporter, shoot me.

But if a certain Orange-tinted man were to become Mr. 47, I would probably just go to Canada.

So to answer the question, not that far.

My parents hate Trump, but I don’t think they’d actually move if he won, so if he turns the place into a psychotic dictatorship I’m screwed.

RenraeL sotniT wrote:My parents hate Trump, but I don’t think they’d actually move if he won, so if he turns the place into a psychotic dictatorship I’m screwed.

I don't think that will ever happen

In self-defense would I kill someone who is actively suppressing and physically hurting me, my customs and traditions? Yes. Lead a revolution and commit genocide because of it? No... That seems really unrealistic.

Floofybit wrote:

RenraeL sotniT wrote:

My parents hate Trump, but I don’t think they’d actually move if he won, so if he turns the place into a psychotic dictatorship I’m screwed.

I don't think that will ever happen

Then you lack imagination!

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:

Floofybit wrote:I don't think that will ever happen

Then you lack imagination!

Conservatives when you ask them to conserve something other than Israel

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:

Floofybit wrote:I don't think that will ever happen

Then you lack imagination!

What's the problem with that? I'm just being realistic in a realistic situation

Floofybit wrote:

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:Then you lack imagination!

What's the problem with that? I'm just being realistic in a realistic situation

Turn off that Galar Field, and actually look at what Republicans implant! (Roy Moore-like legislation)

LIke a lot of people on this thread have said, it ultimately depends on the values which we're focusing on here... but I wouldn't stoop so low as to mass murder in the tens of thousands to even millions just to protect my values. I am still of course a strong believer in the principles of Marxism and socialism but to kill several million people, most of whom are guaranteed to be completely innocent or irrelevant to the war effort is too far for me.
I'll fight the war sure, but I won't break the Geneva Convention.

Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:LIke a lot of people on this thread have said, it ultimately depends on the values which we're focusing on here... but I wouldn't stoop so low as to mass murder in the tens of thousands to even millions just to protect my values. I am still of course a strong believer in the principles of Marxism and socialism but to kill several million people, most of whom are guaranteed to be completely innocent or irrelevant to the war effort is too far for me.
I'll fight the war sure, but I won't break the Geneva Convention.

Hey, what kind of tankie are you, anyway?

If you build a palisade of sharp sticks and your opponents keep throwing themselves on it, to the last man, who 'genocided' who?

Fractalnavel wrote:If you build a palisade of sharp sticks and your opponents keep throwing themselves on it, to the last man, who 'genocided' who?

If there was no warning, the person who built the sticks would be charged for the first two or three death. The other people were just dumb. If there was warnings, all the people were just dumb

If it protected my people in a way, yes. We don't give a flying turd of you, we only care about us. My people would happily kill you for no other reason if we want a ship load of supplies. So, yes, we would annihilate you to protect ourselves from you or any retaliations. The question isn't if we WOULD kill, the question is how.

The answer to that question depends on the situation. If we were fighting a PT or MT nation, we would go no holds bar, completely ignore our own safety, and steamroll. If the were FT or others, we would try a more diplomatic solution, but, failing that (Which is much more common), we would attempt safer fighting, aware of our small fleet.

This breaks the question down further to whether we would COMPLETLY annihilate your entire existence, or leave some left. This depends on your ideologies, religion, and form of government. But, without consideration, expect the utter annihilation of any nation that preforms cruel or unusual practices, or is Capitalists. Damn Capitalists.

Eragon Island wrote:If it protected my people in a way, yes. We don't give a flying turd of you, we only care about us. My people would happily kill you for no other reason if we want a ship load of supplies. So, yes, we would annihilate you to protect ourselves from you or any retaliations. The question isn't if we WOULD kill, the question is how.

The answer to that question depends on the situation. If we were fighting a PT or MT nation, we would go no holds bar, completely ignore our own safety, and steamroll. If the were FT or others, we would try a more diplomatic solution, but, failing that (Which is much more common), we would attempt safer fighting, aware of our small fleet.

This breaks the question down further to whether we would COMPLETLY annihilate your entire existence, or leave some left. This depends on your ideologies, religion, and form of government. But, without consideration, expect the utter annihilation of any nation that preforms cruel or unusual practices, or is Capitalists. Damn Capitalists.

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