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by Portzania » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:14 am
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by Zordennox » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:27 am
Aesmenia and the Isles wrote:I want to know what people think of the style, why they like it, why they hate it, and where they think it works best. Personally, I absolutely adore the style it has a simple beauty to me that very few other styles can match, I do see people say it looks good in contrast with nature and greenery, but I disagree I think that makes the building seem dilapidated and like a ruin, I think brutalism works best when it's just plain concrete in a city, but I know I'm in the minority here.
by -Astoria- » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:44 am
Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:And speaking of "cool looking"... in what way? Because "cool" can apply to a lot of things in a diverse number of ways. Cool as in scary monster cool? Cool as in awe-inspiring? Cool as in beautiful? Cool as in radical and awesome? What "cool" is this building?
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by Nilokeras » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:59 am
Kerwa wrote:Because you need large buildings and this way they don’t actually require huge amounts of structural steel or PCC, despite what you think. Nor do they require decorative finishing which save massively on time, materials and labor. Prior to modular system buildings, this absolutely was one of the cheapest ways to fill needs. Owen Luder, amongst other well known brutalists, has said so himself. It doesn’t matter what claptrap has been written about it them, that’s the ultimate reason. Same thing with the supposed “rejection” of decorative nostalgia in brutalism, it’s really just not possible in the medium, rather than conscious design/philosophical decision, and is also, after all, part of modernism.
I started my career as a structural engineer so I actually do know about this stuff.
Kerwa wrote:You realize it was the people who lived in them who hated them the most. Upper middle class bien-pensants such as yourself are generally quite fond of them. It wasn’t a reaction against social housing at all because people like having a house, it was a reaction against the brutalism for brutalism itself. Maybe you think the working class shouldn’t have opinions but unfortunately they do. So there’s that.
Kerwa wrote:Also many of them were just badly designed - no understanding of vortex shedding, habitability, lighting etc. but what do you expect when grifting failed furniture designers get involved. It’s why so many of them were demolished.
Kerwa wrote:So Canadian. Doesn’t count.
by Forsher » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:52 am
Nilokeras wrote:Hating brutalism is usually a good litmus test for having bad opinions about architecture and public spaces, particularly since brutalist public architecture was one of the last movements to actually incorporate any public amenities in the spaces they built. Complaints about its ugliness are usually followed by mushy outpourings about some neoclassical pile built by a guy who hated Jews and bulldozed a minority neighbourhood to build their thing of choice.
Also 'brutalism' is not about being brutal in the sense of being purposefully ugly or offensive, it's merely a translation of the french word for 'raw' - ie the unadorned concrete used in brutalist construction.
Zordennox wrote:Pure functionalism reduces buildings to their material purpose and neglects the emotional, psychological, and spiritual connections that people have with buildings.
by Theodores Tomfooleries » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:19 am
Heloin wrote:Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:And speaking of "cool looking"... in what way? Because "cool" can apply to a lot of things in a diverse number of ways. Cool as in scary monster cool? Cool as in awe-inspiring? Cool as in beautiful? Cool as in radical and awesome? What "cool" is this building?
I mean, all of those. You think it's ugly, that's a fine point of view but honestly that's the extent of your point. Your point that it's a bad form of architecture rests on everyone also finding it ugly. I think Sagrada Família is a hideous building but I understand that it's a wonderful example of modernisme even if it's not for me. Not all art is for everyone, my favorite painting is Composition with Red Blue and Yellow and that's difficult explanation to go through, that architecture is art at such a scale for living in doesn't change that it still is art.
by Northern Seleucia » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:29 am
Popular news media considers City Hall the "world's ugliest building", including the Boston Globe and the Telegraph.
In the 1960s, Mayor John F. Collins reportedly gasped as the design was first unveiled, and someone in the room blurted out, "What the hell is that?"City Hall is very unpopular with some Bostonians, as it is with some employees of the building. In 2006 some described it as a dark and unfriendly eyesore. In part, such opinions are a reaction against greater Boston's numerous examples of concrete modernism from the 1960s.
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by Northern Seleucia » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:29 am
San Lumen wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall
Here is a prime example of why I hate this style of Architecture.
Boston city hall is one of the ugliest buildings i've ever seen and definitely the ugliest government building.
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by Portzania » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:33 am
Northern Seleucia wrote:San Lumen wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_City_Hall
Here is a prime example of why I hate this style of Architecture.
Boston city hall is one of the ugliest buildings i've ever seen and definitely the ugliest government building.
I have to see it almost daily. Don't remind me.
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by The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:10 pm
Ifreann wrote:Brütalism, the most heavy metal architectural style.
by Thermodolia » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:23 pm
San Lumen wrote:The Second Order of Life wrote:
That's the intent, and that's why I like it. It's cold, uncompromising, utilitarian, brutal. It does not pretend to be good, it does not pretend to be pretty; it knows exactly what it is and is proud of displaying it.
which is why I hate it especially for a government building.
by San Lumen » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:44 pm
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:
which is why I hate it especially for a government building.
Idk it works pretty well for the J. Edgar Hoover Building or the Atlanta City Central Library or the Perth Concert Hall or the Al Zaqura Building in Iraq or the interior of the Washington DC Metro
by Portzania » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:45 pm
The Second Order of Life wrote:San Lumen wrote:It doesn't look welcoming. The windows design looks awful and too many weird shapes in the building.
That's the intent, and that's why I like it. It's cold, uncompromising, utilitarian, brutal. It does not pretend to be good, it does not pretend to be pretty; it knows exactly what it is and is proud of displaying it.
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by Portzania » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:52 pm
New North Exeter wrote:I hate this type. It reminds me of some dictatornship. It is just plain and looks... dead. It feels unnatural, having a giant one-color square or rectangle. Nature isnt like that, and since what we consider beautiful was set when most of people lived close to nature, It makes no sense too.
1,5/10, There is one worse type and that is modernism ( All Black or gray with lots of glass )
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by Thermodolia » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:04 pm
San Lumen wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Idk it works pretty well for the J. Edgar Hoover Building or the Atlanta City Central Library or the Perth Concert Hall or the Al Zaqura Building in Iraq or the interior of the Washington DC Metro
I don't care for any of those other than the DC metro.
by Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:19 pm
Ifreann wrote:Brütalism, the most heavy metal architectural style.
by Ifreann » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:28 pm
Thermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:
which is why I hate it especially for a government building.
Idk it works pretty well for the J. Edgar Hoover Building or the Atlanta City Central Library or the Perth Concert Hall or the Al Zaqura Building in Iraq or the interior of the Washington DC Metro
by Duvniask » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:36 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Hating brutalism is usually a good litmus test for having bad opinions about architecture and public spaces, particularly since brutalist public architecture was one of the last movements to actually incorporate any public amenities in the spaces they built. Complaints about its ugliness are usually followed by mushy outpourings about some neoclassical pile built by a guy who hated Jews and bulldozed a minority neighbourhood to build their thing of choice.
Also 'brutalism' is not about being brutal in the sense of being purposefully ugly or offensive, it's merely a translation of the french word for 'raw' - ie the unadorned concrete used in brutalist construction.
by Ifreann » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Duvniask wrote:Nilokeras wrote:Hating brutalism is usually a good litmus test for having bad opinions about architecture and public spaces, particularly since brutalist public architecture was one of the last movements to actually incorporate any public amenities in the spaces they built. Complaints about its ugliness are usually followed by mushy outpourings about some neoclassical pile built by a guy who hated Jews and bulldozed a minority neighbourhood to build their thing of choice.
Also 'brutalism' is not about being brutal in the sense of being purposefully ugly or offensive, it's merely a translation of the french word for 'raw' - ie the unadorned concrete used in brutalist construction.
Bad opinions like not wanting to live in the most dreary, totalitarian-esque structures imaginable?
And sure, lump everyone who dislikes it in with anti-Semites while you're at it.
by Theodores Tomfooleries » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:52 pm
Ifreann wrote:Duvniask wrote:Bad opinions like not wanting to live in the most dreary, totalitarian-esque structures imaginable?
And sure, lump everyone who dislikes it in with anti-Semites while you're at it.
I mean, if you're going to associate brutalist architecture with totalitarianism then you can't really object to neoclassicism being associated with the fascist weirdos who jack off to marble statues.
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