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by Northern Socialist Council Republics » Thu May 25, 2023 7:07 pm
by Fahran » Fri May 26, 2023 6:12 am
Hispida wrote:and they're awful for doing so. fuck the US and the UK.
by Fahran » Fri May 26, 2023 6:23 am
Bahrimontagn wrote:Many Israeli leaders and their agents have proposed the destruction of Iran though.
Bahrimontagn wrote:Funny how the UK and US get criticised for the same thing Israel gets celebrated for. Ethnostate for thee but not for me I guess.
Bahrimontagn wrote:Besides, pretty sure the UK and US favour certain other groups especially in regards to who gets to decide foreign policy.
by Fahran » Fri May 26, 2023 6:26 am
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Hopefully never. Ethnostates can follow them into shameful history that should not be repeated.
by Alcala-Cordel » Fri May 26, 2023 6:31 pm
by Fahran » Mon May 29, 2023 8:45 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:It should still be avoided at all costs. The prevalence of ethnic favoritism doesn't justify its existence.
by Bahrimontagn » Tue May 30, 2023 9:45 am
Fahran wrote:Bahrimontagn wrote:Many Israeli leaders and their agents have proposed the destruction of Iran though.
Who? Also, so what? It doesn’t have any impact on what I’ve said. Do you think these hypothetical people would get a pass from me just because they’re Jewish or Israeli?Bahrimontagn wrote:Funny how the UK and US get criticised for the same thing Israel gets celebrated for. Ethnostate for thee but not for me I guess.
It’s funny to you that different groups of people have different opinions about nationalism?Bahrimontagn wrote:Besides, pretty sure the UK and US favour certain other groups especially in regards to who gets to decide foreign policy.
Don’t be coy. Mention the ZOG so we can wrap this up.
by Fahran » Tue May 30, 2023 9:12 pm
Bahrimontagn wrote:Where is the lie? Israel has large influence over UK and US politicians.
by Bahrimontagn » Wed May 31, 2023 7:35 am
by Fahran » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:54 am
Bahrimontagn wrote:How is it an exaggeration?
by Bahrimontagn » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:16 am
Fahran wrote:Bahrimontagn wrote:How is it an exaggeration?
Obsessive reporting on Israeli-American relations misses that the US provides abundant aid to countries like South Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, and Japan and that we maintain very close diplomatic and trading relationships with a variety of countries. Taken as a whole, we provide hundreds of millions more to Arab countries than Israel. Our closest ally, at the moment, is probably the UK. Our most important trading partners are Mexico and Canada - with China and Japan up next. Militarily, Poland, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey get a lot of consideration - even when they pull shenanigans that annoy other allies.
Additionally, Israeli lobbying and Jewish representatives alone do not actually explain the level of consistent support observed in the US and UK. I've pointed out before that Israel provides a fairly practical, if occasionally dubious, ally, especially in the context of the Cold War. There's never going to be a good practical reason to discard Israel barring a major geopolitical realignment or a collapse of sorts in Israel itself because discarding Israel doesn't actually forge new and useful alliances. We'd need to sacrifice Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Pakistan to make nice with Iran and Syria. And Palestine has nothing to offer except more infighting and despotism.
by Fahran » Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:45 am
Bahrimontagn wrote:An ally that is warm with Russia, an ally that bombs american naval ships, an ally that steals US secrets and sells them to China. Some ally you describe. Palestine is the moral position to hold, just as being anti-apartheid was regarding South Africa.
by Bahrimontagn » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:31 pm
Fahran wrote:
USS Liberty? I’ve discussed that in the past and I don’t think you understand the history of Israeli-American relations if you’re bringing it up. The US didn’t wholly commit to supporting Israeli war efforts until 1973 and, understandably, the Israelis responded aggressively to a surveillance ship close enough to an active war zone that intelligence might have been leaked to the Syrians in advance of a crucial offensive on the Golan Heights. Spying on your allies, right?
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Fahran wrote:
Israel’s relationship with Russia is fairly ambivalent. A sizable minority of Israelis are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, and speak Russian fluently. One would expect there to be ties as a result in much the same way as ties between Arabic-speaking Jews and the meager remnants of the Diaspora have been rekindled as a result of normalization. This makes Israel a good go-between with countries like Russia, Poland, and Ukraine. Which is useful.
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by New Visayan Islands » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:01 pm
Bahrimontagn wrote:Fahran wrote:
USS Liberty? I’ve discussed that in the past and I don’t think you understand the history of Israeli-American relations if you’re bringing it up. The US didn’t wholly commit to supporting Israeli war efforts until 1973 and, understandably, the Israelis responded aggressively to a surveillance ship close enough to an active war zone that intelligence might have been leaked to the Syrians in advance of a crucial offensive on the Golan Heights. Spying on your allies, right?
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So does that justify an Israeli "ally" bombing a clearly flagged US ship??? Your use of mental gymnastics to justify israeli double dealing is astounding. Imagine if Iran had done that, you would be calling for blood.Fahran wrote:
Israel’s relationship with Russia is fairly ambivalent. A sizable minority of Israelis are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, and speak Russian fluently. One would expect there to be ties as a result in much the same way as ties between Arabic-speaking Jews and the meager remnants of the Diaspora have been rekindled as a result of normalization. This makes Israel a good go-between with countries like Russia, Poland, and Ukraine. Which is useful.
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By that logic I guess Pakistan's ISI is a good go-between the US and the Taliban, and same for Syria between US and Iran. Or is that treatment only reserved for the "Chosen People"
Palestine is based. Israel is a filthy monkey. end of.
by El Lazaro » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:38 pm
by Commonwealth of Adirondack » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:05 am
by Narland » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:40 pm
Corrian wrote:Oh this is going to be fun (again), isn't it?
by Fahran » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:25 am
Bahrimontagn wrote:So does that justify an Israeli "ally" bombing a clearly flagged US ship??? Your use of mental gymnastics to justify israeli double dealing is astounding. Imagine if Iran had done that, you would be calling for blood.
Bahrimontagn wrote:By that logic I guess Pakistan's ISI is a good go-between the US and the Taliban, and same for Syria between US and Iran. Or is that treatment only reserved for the "Chosen People"
Bahrimontagn wrote:Palestine is based. Israel is a filthy monkey. end of.
by Oceasia » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:03 am
Jurassic World has announced a new attraction coming this June. No other details were given.
by Bahrimontagn » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:03 am
Oceasia wrote:Israeli military carries out an invasion of Jenin
Didn't feel like making a new thread about it and it seems relevant enough for this thread.
by Oceasia » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:07 am
Bahrimontagn wrote:Oceasia wrote:Israeli military carries out an invasion of Jenin
Didn't feel like making a new thread about it and it seems relevant enough for this thread.
Palestine has a right to defend itself against terrorism.
Jurassic World has announced a new attraction coming this June. No other details were given.
by El Lazaro » Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:57 am
Oceasia wrote:Israeli military carries out an invasion of Jenin
Didn't feel like making a new thread about it and it seems relevant enough for this thread.
by Diopolis » Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:59 pm
El Lazaro wrote:Guess what’s back? Well, it’s in the title. Here’s a summary (para 1) and recent events (para 2):
The judicial overhaul was halted for months as the coalition and opposition opened negotiations to de-escalate the tense standoff over concerns of political unrest and even civil war. To recap, the overhaul as proposed earlier this year would de facto abolish the Supreme Court’s powers, allowing a bare majority in the Knesset to consolidate total power. This is partly motivated by the personal interests of politicians (mainly Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu) to block ongoing corruption proceedings, but far-right coalition partners have also lambasted Supreme Court rulings in favor of human rights and democratic institutions. Regardless, the opposition has characterized the authoritarian push as dictatorial and extreme, and the process has even garnered unanticipated criticism from Israel’s allies.
So why is it back? Basically, tensions have flared this month over a Judicial Selections Committee dispute. The Committee, made up of a politicians and legal experts, chooses judges. Traditionally, an appointment would require 7 votes out of 3 government, 1 opposition, and 5 lawyer/judge members. A major part of the overhaul involves packing the Judicial Selections Committee (and thus, the Supreme Court) with cronies to prevent the unanimity hypothetically needed to enforce rulings, so when the coalition attempted to exclude the opposition from the panel, the opposition threatened to withdraw from compromise talks. In the secret vote on the appointments, several MKs broke ranks and hamstrung the attempt, frustrating Netanyahu and failing to fully resolve the issue. Netanyahu accused the opposition of acting in bad faith and unilaterally cancelled negotiations. Now, judicial overhaul has officially resumed, with the first proposed bill targeting the “extreme unreasonableness” standard, which was used earlier this year to bar the ministerial appointment of Shas leader and Likud ally Aryeh Deri for being a violation of his corruption plea deal. It’s not clear whether the most contentious changes will be reintroduced, but that hasn’t prevented nationwide protests from erupting once again
https://apnews.com/article/israel-polit ... caf01d6d25
https://apnews.com/article/israel-netan ... d0fd8c2a17
https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-r ... ness-test/
by Risottia » Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:35 am
Diopolis wrote:It's worth noting that although Netanyahu is not a particularly trustworthy figure to actually do so, the Israeli supreme court does have to be reigned in somehow.
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