How can you believe in evolution?

[The Corparation]

Allah says he is the creator, and the evolver.


Evolution is no problem with me.

So Allahs "the Creator" and "the Evolver" eh? So's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we do have a problem.

[Shia Majority]

Allah says he is the creator, and the evolver.


Evolution is no problem with me.

So Allahs "the Creator" and "the Evolver" eh? So's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we do have a problem.

But we both believe in 1 God.


What if they are...


One and the same?

[Kraishen]

Allah says he is the creator, and the evolver.


Evolution is no problem with me.

So Allahs "the Creator" and "the Evolver" eh? So's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we do have a problem.

This brings up another question...

Just WHO IS the Flying spaghetti monster!?

[South Norwega]

Allah says he is the creator, and the evolver.


Evolution is no problem with me.

So Allahs "the Creator" and "the Evolver" eh? So's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we do have a problem.

This brings up another question...

Just WHO IS the Flying spaghetti monster!?

The answer is within your question. It has been conveniently bolded.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Allah says he is the creator, and the evolver.


Evolution is no problem with me.

So Allahs "the Creator" and "the Evolver" eh? So's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we do have a problem.

This brings up another question...

Just WHO IS the Flying spaghetti monster!?

The answer is within your question. It has been conveniently bolded.

....
The Doctor?

[Shia Majority]

Is the FSM a Who, or a What?

[South Norwega]

This brings up another question...

Just WHO IS the Flying spaghetti monster!?

The answer is within your question. It has been conveniently bolded.

....
The Doctor?

No, the World Health organisation.

They are almost the same, though.

[Cosumar]

This is what I find so disgusting about the world. Atheists and agnostics are allowed to insult EVERYONE. They insult religion. They hurt people's feelings. But that is regarded as freedom of speech. I've met a few atheists and agnostics that haven't insulted any religion, and THEY are persuasive indeed. But if a religious man/woman/whatever doesn't understand a concept, and questions something scientific, they are idiots that deserve to die. The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Really? Th religious people of Egypt created the Pyramids, something that no one has been able to figure out since. The religious Leonardo Da Vinci made pretty much the first blueprints for a WMD, for a flying machine, hell, religious people are just like atheists. If they don't believe something, do you really have to go and insult them?
I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.
Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat. People can well make mistakes.
Sorry if atheists and agnostics that didn't insult anyone feel hurt. Just know, I'm targeting these at people that hurt other people. It really isn't a good thing to do. And I have enough of an open mind to know that not everyone is this disrespectful to other people.

THIS^^^ VERY WELL SAID

[Auremena]

It's called Adaptation, DNA, genes, etc.

[Wolffbaden]

That's a pretty serious problem, and there are other inconsistencies with the bird-from-dinosaur theories.

You must have gotten really excited when you read that didn't you? A serious problem with science. I bet you had to change your shorts after that one.

Now here is the problem with what you're claiming:

It is not a problem for evolution in the least. In fact this is a HUGE addition to our understanding of the tree of life if it turns out to be true. It doesn't even say that birds did not descend from dinosaurs just that they existed at the same time as some dinosaurs. Does that make Archaeopteryx any less related to them? Not in the least, it merely shifts our understanding of the timeline for its emergence as a species. That's it.

The Dinosaurs dominated the landscape limiting smaller animals (birds and mammals in particular) ability to thrive. When the cataclysm came which caused their extinction, leading to an ice age, the small mammals and birds, which resulted from the diversity Evolution provides, were around in small numbers to TAKE OVER where the dinosaurs left off because the entire ecosystem of the planet could no longer sustain them.

Congratulations on referencing what is very nearly a scientific article. Of course while it does change one perspective in our current understanding of evolution, unlike religion, finding out that you have part of it wrong is cause for celebration if someone happens to have the RIGHT answer. Finding new insights into things that were not well understood is EXCITING. At least, for me it is anyway.

Yet for YEARS we were told birds came form dinosaurs...they even included in the movie Jurrasic Park ...like I said, evolutionary propaganda.

Actually it was mentioned in that movie since it was a relatively new idea that was being pushed at the time. Micheal Crichton liked to try to include current scientific research in his stories. The fact that they pursued an idea that had little merit and ultimately that idea may fall to the side as better and more conclusive evidence is found for other ideas is not newsworthy. That is how science works. Stop thinking of science as though it is like religion.

If the Bible is proven wrong, your world falls apart. If some part of science is proven to be wrong...we re-write our text books and move on. It may involve a fight in scientific circles but that is rather what scientists live for. Will you try to claim to the end that your Bible hasn't been proven wrong? Hell yes you will. It's no different with any other religious group. You'll persist and believe what you want to believe. The rest of us, who have the sensibility to know you're wrong and have been defeated, will just stare at you like you're a goddamn lunatic and ignore you until you try to get in our way.

Incidentally, notice how they MUST cling to their evolutionary MYTH at all costs?

Where do you get that from? If they find evidence that birds evolved from something else then fine with me. This is one study, and if more studies support the idea then it will become widely accepted and our understanding of the universe will be improved. That is what science STRIVES FOR even if it means a change in world view. When was the last time your world view changed based on reality even a little lol? The establishment of the Christian church or the alleged First Coming of Jesus?

If evolution were true (had the evidence to show it) I would absolutely accept it because I believe God is truth.

Which the two have nothing to do with on another, as science and the supernatural are to very distinctly separate things.

It would not negate my faith in GOD...but atheists NEED evoluton to be true otherwise they have NOTHING.

Atheists need lol? Not really. But as far as your faith in a higher power goes, this mentality you hold does not surprise me in the slightest. I have found in my own personal studies over the years that a more a person is raised with religion and is around it (especially with parents), they more likely they are to cling to it as hard as they can for as long as they can in life.

It isn't a problem. Atheists don't know lots of things and it doesn't really bother them. For some the realization that NOT KNOWING (or at least, not being able to comprehend) where everything came from was fine was the beginning of the journey to Atheism. The realization that there is no actual need for god, nor a justified, tangible reason to believe in him. If we do not know, we do not know.

In fact, if, when not knowing, you decide that GOD DID IT is a sufficient answer, you don't go seek the REAL answer. It's the God Of The Gaps Mentality. That list of gaps is shrinking daily. But will people try to claim otherwise? Of course. If something contradicts what a person believes, they aren't even interested in the slightest to hear anything. At least, that's the trend I've noticed for people who hold more... eccentric, unbelievably fantastical ideas, particularly the case seen in set religious groups (like Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc.). And when you put them all in a room together... it's a deathmatch. They'll believe what they want to believe, and either ignore or try to fight against what they don't believe in.

[Komuniste]

This is what I find so disgusting about the world. Atheists and agnostics are allowed to insult EVERYONE. They insult religion. They hurt people's feelings. But that is regarded as freedom of speech. I've met a few atheists and agnostics that haven't insulted any religion, and THEY are persuasive indeed. But if a religious man/woman/whatever doesn't understand a concept, and questions something scientific, they are idiots that deserve to die. The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Really? Th religious people of Egypt created the Pyramids, something that no one has been able to figure out since. The religious Leonardo Da Vinci made pretty much the first blueprints for a WMD, for a flying machine, hell, religious people are just like atheists. If they don't believe something, do you really have to go and insult them?
I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.
Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat. People can well make mistakes.
Sorry if atheists and agnostics that didn't insult anyone feel hurt. Just know, I'm targeting these at people that hurt other people. It really isn't a good thing to do. And I have enough of an open mind to know that not everyone is this disrespectful to other people.

THIS^^^ VERY WELL SAID

NOT well said at all! In addition to demonizing atheists and agnostics, he's wrong about his central claim, which I shall put in bold.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_affair
Yes, it's from rationalwiki, but so far as I know, all of the facts are true. He's also briefly mentioned on wikipedia's article on "experimental evolution."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment ... ichia_coli

[Buffett and Colbert]

This is what I find so disgusting about the world. Atheists and agnostics are allowed to insult EVERYONE.

So are theists.

They insult religion.

Some choose to.

They hurt people's feelings.

Some choose to.

But that is regarded as freedom of speech.

Because it is a manifestation of it.

I've met a few atheists and agnostics that haven't insulted any religion, and THEY are persuasive indeed.

I agree.

But if a religious man/woman/whatever doesn't understand a concept, and questions something scientific, they are idiots that deserve to die.

No, not really.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Really?

Maybe.

Th religious people of Egypt created the Pyramids, something that no one has been able to figure out since.

I think we could make a pyramid if we wanted to.

The religious Leonardo Da Vinci made pretty much the first blueprints for a WMD,

Lolololol.

hell, religious people are just like atheists.

Can be.

If they don't believe something, do you really have to go and insult them?

Some choose t-- Oh, I think I've made that point clear enough.

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

If you knew something about evolution, you wouldn't have this opinion. But as the wise Ifreann once said, "Until evolution happens like in pokemon I'll never accept your 'evidence'!"

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun

No, that was the religious folk, actually.

and the world was flat.

That's myth. Scientists never thought the world to be flat. In fact, the only people who did were probably poor, isolated people.

Sorry if atheists and agnostics that didn't insult anyone feel hurt. Just know, I'm targeting these at people that hurt other people. It really isn't a good thing to do. And I have enough of an open mind to know that not everyone is this disrespectful to other people.

Your post leaves one to believe otherwise.

[Wolffbaden]

This is what I find so disgusting about the world. Atheists and agnostics are allowed to insult EVERYONE.

As part of our belief system? Well really, we have no belief system. That's more of an issue of our personalities. Atheism is a lack of belief, no belief in anything related to a subject (such as god), or for that matter, it is not a belief in disbelief; Agnosticism is a lack of belief but also a lack of skepticism.

They insult religion.

You insult the non-religious... it goes both ways really.

They hurt people's feelings.

You hurt people's feelings... again, it goes both ways really.

But that is regarded as freedom of speech.

Yep.

I've met a few atheists and agnostics that haven't insulted any religion,

Huh. I've only met a few religious folks that haven't insulted my Atheism, or any other religion/belief on religion and god.

and THEY are persuasive indeed.

Devils in them?

But if a religious man/woman/whatever doesn't understand a concept, and questions something scientific, they are idiots that deserve to die.

When did anyone here say that "They are idiots and deserve to die"? Indeed, where in history? While I can think of a few radical possible examples, you seem to be forgetting the mentality the religious have held for so long that you deserve to die or be tortured horribly if you do not believe as they do.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Really?

It's a legitimate religious organization. What, are you insulting their right to their beliefs?

Th religious people of Egypt created the Pyramids,

And the non-religious scientist Dr. Werner von Braun created the rockets which helped to take the astronauts in NASA to space, and later to the moon. What's your point?

something that no one has been able to figure out since.

Actually, we've known for about 40 years how they did it.

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

The religious Leonardo Da Vinci

Stop right there. Leonardo Da Vinci was no more religious than I am African. He lived in a time when the religious sect of Christianity's Catholicism was wide spread, when you were persecuted if you were not a Catholic, and when you faced condemnation and even death or torture from the Catholic Church if you did not convert. He was a homosexual, a thing which the Pope had made a crime punishable by death, he was admittedly a very strong critic of the Catholic Church, and the only reason why he worked for them was because they paid well and were offering him a chance to have his art immortalized.

made pretty much the first blueprints for a WMD,

for a flying machine,

Which would not have flown; the only practical design he had for something that would actually fly was his glider.

hell, religious people are just like atheists.

In being people. Not much more for beliefs.

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?".This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly.

Wow... really? Are you not aware that the present generation of human beings represents the latest evolutionary model of the Homo sapien species? I guess not.

Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

Gravity: it's just a theory.

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

[New Manvir]

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

Also, the Earth DOES revolve around the sun so what exactly was he trying to prove? That scientists got it right 'a few thousand years ago', as if that's bad?

[The Black Forrest]

This is what I find so disgusting about the world. Atheists and agnostics are allowed to insult EVERYONE. They insult religion. They hurt people's feelings. But that is regarded as freedom of speech. I've met a few atheists and agnostics that haven't insulted any religion, and THEY are persuasive indeed. But if a religious man/woman/whatever doesn't understand a concept, and questions something scientific, they are idiots that deserve to die. The Flying Spaghetti Monster? Really? Th religious people of Egypt created the Pyramids, something that no one has been able to figure out since. The religious Leonardo Da Vinci made pretty much the first blueprints for a WMD, for a flying machine, hell, religious people are just like atheists. If they don't believe something, do you really have to go and insult them?
I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.
Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat. People can well make mistakes.
Sorry if atheists and agnostics that didn't insult anyone feel hurt. Just know, I'm targeting these at people that hurt other people. It really isn't a good thing to do. And I have enough of an open mind to know that not everyone is this disrespectful to other people.

Hmmmm so what was God touching when considering the crusades, the inquisition, Jihad, Sex abuse, the Duplessis Orphans, the residential school system of Canada, the Taliban school system, etc., etc., etc.

[Kabobs]

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

/cough.
It takes many, many years for a species to evolve.
That's why Pokemon is just a game, silly.

[Ifreann]

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

/cough.
It takes many, many years for a species to evolve.
That's why Pokemon is just a game, silly.

Not true. Evolution occurs every generation. The changes are generally trivial, but they occur. You're different than you parents, as they than their parents, and so on.

[Treznor]

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

/cough.
It takes many, many years for a species to evolve.
That's why Pokemon is just a game, silly.

Unless you're an amoeba. In which case we can observe it in real time, and have.

[Self--Esteem]

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

Also, the Earth DOES revolve around the sun so what exactly was he trying to prove? That scientists got it right 'a few thousand years ago', as if that's bad?

Exactly. Philosophers and clerics believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, so that everything revolves around the earth.

[Kabobs]

I have been told "Have you seen, heard, touched God? No? So he doesn't exist does he?". This is my answer. Has anyone EVER seen, heard or touched something evolving? Besides a Pokemon? Exactly. Therefore, its still just a theory in its experimental stages.

/cough.
It takes many, many years for a species to evolve.
That's why Pokemon is just a game, silly.

Unless you're an amoeba. In which case we can observe it in real time, and have.

Go tell Kashmirstan that.

[Ifreann]

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

Also, the Earth DOES revolve around the sun so what exactly was he trying to prove? That scientists got it right 'a few thousand years ago', as if that's bad?

Exactly. Philosophers and clerics believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, so that everything revolves around the earth.

Interestingly, in the Far Off Future it will appear that the Earth(or rather, our small patch of the universe) is not only the centre, but the only thing there is in the universe. Everything is moving further away from everything else, so from our point of view it looks like everything is moving away from us. Unless records survive from modern times, it will be perfectly reasonable to conclude that the Milky Way is the only thing in the Universe, ergo God.

[Farnhamia]

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

Also, the Earth DOES revolve around the sun so what exactly was he trying to prove? That scientists got it right 'a few thousand years ago', as if that's bad?

Exactly. Philosophers and clerics believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, so that everything revolves around the earth.

Interestingly, in the Far Off Future it will appear that the Earth(or rather, our small patch of the universe) is not only the centre, but the only thing there is in the universe. Everything is moving further away from everything else, so from our point of view it looks like everything is moving away from us. Unless records survive from modern times, it will be perfectly reasonable to conclude that the Milky Way is the only thing in the Universe, ergo God.

I read that article in Sci Am, too. The end of cosmology.

[Ifreann]

Lets not forget, a few thousand years ago, Science believed that everything revolved around the Sun and the world was flat.

No, PHILOSOPHY believed that everything revolved around the sun and the world was flat. Because the religions of the time believed this. Even then, the consensus amongst philosophers was not in agreement. Aristotle believed in a geocentric solar system and so did Ptolemy. Aristarchus of Samos believed (correctly) in a heliocentric solar system. Science didn't emerge until after the Renaissance, when alchemy and astrology started dying off, around the time of Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

Also, the Earth DOES revolve around the sun so what exactly was he trying to prove? That scientists got it right 'a few thousand years ago', as if that's bad?

Exactly. Philosophers and clerics believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, so that everything revolves around the earth.

Interestingly, in the Far Off Future it will appear that the Earth(or rather, our small patch of the universe) is not only the centre, but the only thing there is in the universe. Everything is moving further away from everything else, so from our point of view it looks like everything is moving away from us. Unless records survive from modern times, it will be perfectly reasonable to conclude that the Milky Way is the only thing in the Universe, ergo God.

I read that article in Sci Am, too. The end of cosmology.

Saw a video on You Tube of some scientician making a presentation.

[Agadar]

Lol, 'scientician', never heard that one before.

[Meridiani Planum]

I mean something happened and all of a sudden, BAM! We have an explosion and all of the things collide and form everything we have in our universe.

Collide? No, there was most likely some kind of hyperinflation, which is not accurately described as an "explosion".

Then some millions to billions of years later we have micro oranisms that evolve into fish. Next, those fish "grow" legs and walk onto land. After that, they some how evolve into all of the millions of billions of living organisms that we have today.

Yes.

Could someone please explain as to why you would believe in this?

I find the science rationally persuasive. I read materials from scientists and science popularizers, not just from "scientific" creationists. I have spoken and worked with scientists at a scientific research institute where, for example, DNA sequences have been studied. While I am not a scientist myself, I find the judgment of those scientists credible.