How can you believe in evolution?

[Ifreann]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Dude. It was an example. Replace it with "curing your eczema" or "make my ex love me again" and the results will be the same.

How about "beating my depression"?

Sounds easier than relocating a mountain.

[Galloism]

Sounds easier than relocating a mountain.

Hmm... maybe.

How big a mountain are we talking?

[Ifreann]

Sounds easier than relocating a mountain.

Hmm... maybe.

How big a mountain are we talking?

Well Jesus would have been somewhere around Jersualem when he said this. How big do the mountains get there?

[Galloism]

Sounds easier than relocating a mountain.

Hmm... maybe.

How big a mountain are we talking?

Well Jesus would have been somewhere around Jersualem when he said this. How big do the mountains get there?

We would consider them "hills" on this side of the pond, I think.

[Ifreann]

Sounds easier than relocating a mountain.

Hmm... maybe.

How big a mountain are we talking?

Well Jesus would have been somewhere around Jersualem when he said this. How big do the mountains get there?

We would consider them "hills" on this side of the pond, I think.

Someone should get some physics up in this motherfucker. Figure the average mass of the mountains Jesus would have been talking about.

[Treznor]

You don't have to go to church, but you have to believe. There are just as many Good people in Hell as there are murderers... However there are no Atheist in Hell. You SHOULD go to church to help you along the way but if you are also supposed to provide for your family. So if you CAN'T go to church, then God understands. If you CAN, you are supposed to. However, once again, you MUST believe... BUT BELIEVING ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!

John 3:3-6
3. Jesus Answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nic-o-demus saith untohim, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You MUST be saved to enter into heaven, and that means you must Believe in God.

So the mechanics work like this:

Based on a series of books voted on in a highly political committee composed of competing religious sects invited by a religiously-minded monarch (who very explicitly did not invite other competing religious sects because he didn't like them), we must believe the anecdotal evidence that a historically unproven figure was killed by the Romans at the behest of the Jewish priesthood in order to appease God's demand for blood sacrifice, rose from the dead three days later and rose up to Heaven to intercede with God on our behalf. We must then establish a telepathic link with the resurrected figure, beg forgiveness for the crimes we inherited genetically and ask to be washed in the metaphorical blood of this aforementioned figure so that God will overlook our genetically inherited crimes and we'll be allowed into heaven to sing praises of God's mercy for eternity instead of suffering in torment.

And this makes more sense than observing the process of evolution by natural selection in the natural world.

Did I miss anything?

[Johz]

John 3:3-6
3. Jesus Answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nic-o-demus saith untohim, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You MUST be saved to enter into heaven, and that means you must Believe in God.

May I translate that from oldish into English?

3. In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
4. "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5. Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
6. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."

[Strathy]

How can you believe in evolution?

I mean something happened and all of a sudden, BAM! We have an explosion and all of the things collide and form everything we have in our universe. Then some millions to billions of years later we have micro oranisms that evolve into fish. Next, those fish "grow" legs and walk onto land. After that, they some how evolve into all of the millions of billions of living organisms that we have today.

Could someone please explain as to why you would believe in this?

Through scientific evidence. The events that unfolded causing the big bang were (I believe) complete co-incidence. Beings evolved due to nessecity.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

So the mechanics work like this:

Based on a series of books voted on in a highly political committee composed of competing religious sects invited by a religiously-minded monarch (who very explicitly did not invite other competing religious sects because he didn't like them), we must believe the anecdotal evidence that a historically unproven figure was killed by the Romans at the behest of the Jewish priesthood in order to appease God's demand for blood sacrifice, rose from the dead three days later and rose up to Heaven to intercede with God on our behalf. We must then establish a telepathic link with the resurrected figure, beg forgiveness for the crimes we inherited genetically and ask to be washed in the metaphorical blood of this aforementioned figure so that God will overlook our genetically inherited crimes and we'll be allowed into heaven to sing praises of God's mercy for eternity instead of suffering in torment.

And this makes more sense than observing the process of evolution by natural selection in the natural world.

Did I miss anything?

Just the part about nearly every field of every science (and not just evolutionary biology) would have to be fundamentally and completely incorrect in an extremely convoluted and ad hoc manner in order for the Earth to be 6,000 years old and evolution not to occur.

[Straughn]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Oh ... Landover Baptist, then?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
http://www.elroysemporium.com/news/biblecourt.html

[Iyndolen]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Oh ... Landover Baptist, then?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
http://www.elroysemporium.com/news/biblecourt.html

Gambling is not a sin, nor is being a soldier, roman, a gambling soldier, a gambling Roman, a roman soldier, a roman soldier that happens to gamble, a gambler that happens to be a roman soldier...etc...etc...

[Straughn]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Oh ... Landover Baptist, then?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
http://www.elroysemporium.com/news/biblecourt.html

Gambling is not a sin, nor is being a soldier, roman, a gambling soldier, a gambling Roman, a roman soldier, a roman soldier that happens to gamble, a gambler that happens to be a roman soldier...etc...etc...

Uhm .... not following ...
http://www.openbible.info/topics/gambling

[Rolamec]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Oh ... Landover Baptist, then?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
http://www.elroysemporium.com/news/biblecourt.html

Gambling is not a sin, nor is being a soldier, roman, a gambling soldier, a gambling Roman, a roman soldier, a roman soldier that happens to gamble, a gambler that happens to be a roman soldier...etc...etc...

Uhm .... not following ...
http://www.openbible.info/topics/gambling

I don't know if you personally believe in that, but those verses do not show the evils of gambling, they show the evils of loving money.

[Straughn]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Oh ... Landover Baptist, then?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
http://www.elroysemporium.com/news/biblecourt.html

Gambling is not a sin, nor is being a soldier, roman, a gambling soldier, a gambling Roman, a roman soldier, a roman soldier that happens to gamble, a gambler that happens to be a roman soldier...etc...etc...

Uhm .... not following ...
http://www.openbible.info/topics/gambling

I don't know if you personally believe in that, but those verses do not show the evils of gambling, they show the evils of loving money.

No, yeah ... i kinda prefaced it, with the "not following" part.

[1337tonia]

How can you believe in evolution?

I mean something happened and all of a sudden, BAM! We have an explosion and all of the things collide and form everything we have in our universe. Then some millions to billions of years later we have micro oranisms that evolve into fish. Next, those fish "grow" legs and walk onto land. After that, they some how evolve into all of the millions of billions of living organisms that we have today.

Could someone please explain as to why you would believe in this?

So, how can you beleive that there was nothing and then BAM! A giant man in the sky makes everything suddenly appear out of thin air like a street magician?

[Straughn]

How can you believe in evolution?

I mean something happened and all of a sudden, BAM! We have an explosion and all of the things collide and form everything we have in our universe. Then some millions to billions of years later we have micro oranisms that evolve into fish. Next, those fish "grow" legs and walk onto land. After that, they some how evolve into all of the millions of billions of living organisms that we have today.

Could someone please explain as to why you would believe in this?

So, how can you beleive that there was nothing and then BAM! A giant man in the sky makes everything suddenly appear out of thin air like a street magician?

Funny thing, causality. It requires even an explanation for god, would there be one.

[Jaunty tunes]

Every belief in understanding the universe requires for something to suddenly exist without expalination. For the simplest thing to exist between the universe and an omnipitent, omnipresent being that had the power to create the unverse I believe the unverse is far more likely.

However evolution has nothing to do with the orignin or the universe. Evolution first requires a medium for life to exist on.

[Agadar]

... For the simplest thing to exist between the universe and an omnipitent, omnipresent being that had the power to create the unverse I believe the unverse is far more likely. ...

What the hell am I reading?

[Karsol]

... For the simplest thing to exist between the universe and an omnipitent, omnipresent being that had the power to create the unverse I believe the unverse is far more likely. ...

What the hell am I reading?

Occams razor.

[Kabobs]

Honestly, how old are you?
I learned evolution a couple of years back in SEVENTH grade. And it makes sense too.
Evolution is when a species goes through a genetic mutation (nothing sci-fi about this). The useful mutations survive, and over a period of time, the organism changes so that it is more resistant to the environment it lives in.
Not rocket science.

The Big Bang takes longer to explain, so just look at the links on the earlier posts.
Both of these theories make absolute sense if you think about it.

Pardon me if the evolution concept doesn't make 100% sense. I need to review my biology.

[Agadar]

Pardon me if the evolution concept doesn't make 100% sense. I need to review my biology.

Indeed, it doesn't. You're implying evolution is a conscious force.

No harsh feelings though.

[Solar Communes]

How can you believe in the alternatives for explaining dinosaurs?

[Treznor]

Pardon me if the evolution concept doesn't make 100% sense. I need to review my biology.

Indeed, it doesn't. You're implying evolution is a conscious force.

No harsh feelings though.

His implication was probably accidental, but you're right that there's no conscious force at work behind natural selection. It's a response to environmental factors in which random traits become more desirable in order to promote survival over the original strain. Imagine a million years of minor changes to a single design, and you'll (general, not you specifically) have the idea.

[Wiltz]

Might be hard to believe in those two but its also Hard to believe that an invisible man in the sky clapped his hands and made life.....

[The Corparation]

How can you believe in the alternatives for explaining dinosaurs?

Where can I find a copy of this coloring book?