How can you believe in evolution?

[Treznor]

Source? And no, the book written by and for Yahweh's fan club is not a valid source.

The only independent source I know of from antiquity that mentions Jesus is by Jewish historian Josephus from around the 1st century AD. Of course, this only verifies that a religious figure named Jesus really existed, that he gained a substantial following, and that he was crucified.

Actually, it doesn't even do that. Josephus could only gather anecdotal data, so the only thing he confirmed is that a cult was gaining popularity around a central figure named Jesus. He was never able to conclusively confirm the existence of Jesus.

[The Rich Port]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up a little here.




Where does it say in Christianity you have to believe to go to 'heaven'?


Wasn't it 'be good and follow the rules'?

Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Gotta believe, and actively demonstrate that belief. Just being good and following the rules earns you nothing.

Then again... Jesus didn't write The Bible, so f*** that s***. Pretty sure God doesn't care if you go to church. Methinks a good person who didn't go to church and doesn't believe in God is more likely to come into heaven than an unrepentant war criminal who is an avid practitioner of Christianity. And why wouldn't you believe in God if he was RIGHT THAR when you died? He's RIGHT FREAKIN' THAR, IN YOUR FACE.

[Urgolon]

Okay I know that it is two different things but are they not closely related? Both are theories that argue with creativity.

They do not argue with creativity, they argue with Abrahamic Creationism.

[Treznor]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up a little here.




Where does it say in Christianity you have to believe to go to 'heaven'?


Wasn't it 'be good and follow the rules'?

Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Gotta believe, and actively demonstrate that belief. Just being good and following the rules earns you nothing.

Then again... Jesus didn't write The Bible, so f*** that s***. Pretty sure God doesn't care if you go to church. Methinks a good person who didn't go to church and doesn't believe in God is more likely to come into heaven than an unrepentant war criminal who is an avid practitioner of Christianity. And why wouldn't you believe in God if he was RIGHT THAR when you died? He's RIGHT FREAKIN' THAR, IN YOUR FACE.

The actual existence of Jesus is subject to debate. But that's not the point. The question Divair asked is where does it say in Christianity you have to believe in order to go to heaven? Since Christianity is based (however loosely) on the Bible and the New Testament in particular, I quoted the relevant passages.

Yes, I was a Baptist once. I got better!

[The Rich Port]

The actual existence of Jesus is subject to debate. But that's not the point. The question Divair asked is where does it say in Christianity you have to believe in order to go to heaven? Since Christianity is based (however loosely) on the Bible and the New Testament in particular, I quoted the relevant passages.

Yes, I was a Baptist once. I got better!

Hence why The Bible is either a historical document beyond arcane or a piece of literature (and thus, fictional). I know neither detracts from some of it's messages, but one must take into account more than just their faith. To me, The Bible is impossible to use practically, as it would like saying George Orwell's "1984" is God's law: it is obnoxiously subjective, tells mostly stories, and it's authors are mostly unknown, if not downright fake. It's my least favorite holy document, both for my hatred of zealotry and it's sordid history as an object of faith.

[Unibot]

In essence, Science isn't about belief, it's about what you can prove. One doesn't believe in evolution, they acknowledge it as the truth, after much much due consideration.

[Treznor]

In essence, Science isn't about belief, it's about what you can prove. One doesn't believe in evolution, they acknowledge it as the truth, after much much do consideration.

That's the best response to the accusation of science as a belief I've yet heard. Kudos!

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

That's the best response to the accusation of science as a belief I've yet heard. Kudos!

It depends on how you define belief. I would say that even things that you can prove to be true and completely know to be true are still beliefs, as beliefs are the set of propositions you think to be true about the universe. Certainly those propositions you know to be true are a subset of this.

[The Rich Port]

In essence, Science isn't about belief, it's about what you can prove. One doesn't believe in evolution, they acknowledge it as the truth, after much much do consideration.

That's the best response to the accusation of science as a belief I've yet heard. Kudos!

Seconded. Common Sense is what makes or breaks belief in something, I guess. And "Christian" Logic... DOES NOT COMPUTE. D:<

[Unibot]

In essence, Science isn't about belief, it's about what you can prove. One doesn't believe in evolution, they acknowledge it as the truth, after much much do consideration.

That's the best response to the accusation of science as a belief I've yet heard. Kudos!

Well it's just, at the moment I'd say there is little to suggest evolution isn't how the biology of the world progressed, however there is always the possibility that it wasn't. The day we start believing in our science, instead of skeptically accepting it and working to prove it.. is the day we might as well start preaching instead of experimenting.

It's the healthy encouragement of skepticism that separates science from theology.

[Agadar]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

[Treznor]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

[Agadar]

I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to say. Are you agreeing with me, or arguing with me?

[The Corparation]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up a little here.




Where does it say in Christianity you have to believe to go to 'heaven'?


Wasn't it 'be good and follow the rules'?

Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Gotta believe, and actively demonstrate that belief. Just being good and following the rules earns you nothing.

Then again... Jesus didn't write The Bible, so f*** that s***. Pretty sure God doesn't care if you go to church. Methinks a good person who didn't go to church and doesn't believe in God is more likely to come into heaven than an unrepentant war criminal who is an avid practitioner of Christianity. And why wouldn't you believe in God if he was RIGHT THAR when you died? He's RIGHT FREAKIN' THAR, IN YOUR FACE.

Actualy I think Jesus argued more for not going to church then to go to church.

[Treznor]

I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to say. Are you agreeing with me, or arguing with me?

I'm clarifying that "belief" in science isn't irrational, and thus on par with the "belief" in religion and faith. Science makes predictions that come true all the time, but it doesn't claim to get it right all the time. The fact that you can test the claims and predictions denies the equivalence with belief.

[The Rich Port]

Actualy I think Jesus argued more for not going to church then to go to church.

And Jesus was totally a hippie. He was hippie before hippies with his universal love stuff. And he LOOKED like a hippie.

[Agadar]

I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to say. Are you agreeing with me, or arguing with me?

I'm clarifying that "belief" in science isn't irrational, and thus on par with the "belief" in religion and faith. Science makes predictions that come true all the time, but it doesn't claim to get it right all the time. The fact that you can test the claims and predictions denies the equivalence with belief.

Like I said, belief has nothing to do with proof. Believing in the scientific method is equal to believing in an invisible teapot orbiting earth. Logic however shows us that the beliefs for which there is proof are more likely to be an objective truth.

[Grantanata]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

[Rambhutan]

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good...

You could equally interpret that as being a soldier is a sin.

[Agadar]

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good...

You could equally interpret that as being a soldier is a sin.

You could also equally interpret that as being a gambling soldier is a sin.

[Kington Langley]

Evolution is just government spit trying to brainwash us smart Americans. I will keep my children away from this filth. I was not beaten by nuns for nothing.

It also promotes Homosexuality and Drugs.

Americans scare me now...

[-Randy Keith orton-]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up a little here.




Where does it say in Christianity you have to believe to go to 'heaven'?


Wasn't it 'be good and follow the rules'?

Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Gotta believe, and actively demonstrate that belief. Just being good and following the rules earns you nothing.

Then again... Jesus didn't write The Bible, so f*** that s***. Pretty sure God doesn't care if you go to church. Methinks a good person who didn't go to church and doesn't believe in God is more likely to come into heaven than an unrepentant war criminal who is an avid practitioner of Christianity. And why wouldn't you believe in God if he was RIGHT THAR when you died? He's RIGHT FREAKIN' THAR, IN YOUR FACE.

Actualy I think Jesus argued more for not going to church then to go to church.

You don't have to go to church, but you have to believe. There are just as many Good people in Hell as there are murderers... However there are no Atheist in Hell. You SHOULD go to church to help you along the way but if you are also supposed to provide for your family. So if you CAN'T go to church, then God understands. If you CAN, you are supposed to. However, once again, you MUST believe... BUT BELIEVING ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!

John 3:3-6
3. Jesus Answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nic-o-demus saith untohim, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ofthe Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You MUST be saved to enter into heaven, and that means you must Believe in God.

[Soviet Engineers]

How can you believe in evolution?

I mean something happened and all of a sudden, BAM! We have an explosion and all of the things collide and form everything we have in our universe. Then some millions to billions of years later we have micro oranisms that evolve into fish. Next, those fish "grow" legs and walk onto land. After that, they some how evolve into all of the millions of billions of living organisms that we have today.

Could someone please explain as to why you would believe in this?

No sane person "believes" any of this - rather, there are facts that most strongly support the idea that things like the big bang and evolution are real phenomena. Take a course in scientific epistemology, please.

[Treznor]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Dude. It was an example. Replace it with "curing your eczema" or "make my ex love me again" and the results will be the same.

[Galloism]

Belief in the scientific method is still a belief. Believing in something has nothing to do with proof provided for said something.

Oh, and before you call me a delusional godbeliever, I'm an atheist. I believe in the scientific method because they have proofs.

"Belief" in science is not irrational when you can test their claims for yourself. You test these claims whenever you pick up a phone and talk to someone on the other end, or take aspirin or a thousand other ways that technology has influenced our lives. Those claims come true.

On the flip side, pray for a winning lottery ticket. Pray with absolute faith and certainty that God is going to answer your prayer. Your odds of winning the lottery are no greater than if you don't pray. The claim of the effectiveness of prayer does not come true.

Treznor, I might not know what your baptist church is like but like most other baptist churches, mine doesn't support the lottery. If you remember the passages of Matthew, the Roman Soldiers gambled for Jesus's clothes. The lottery is gambling and not good. It can become an addiction and I'm pretty sure it is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Dude. It was an example. Replace it with "curing your eczema" or "make my ex love me again" and the results will be the same.

How about "beating my depression"?