How can you believe in evolution?

[Ifreann]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.Unless you really believe that amino acids start forming proteins and strands of genetic information and goodness knows what. Somehow the parts just fall together. Is not a designer the only being that can prevent such things and aid in the beginning of life?

Why are you so convinced that life won't be destroyed at some point? Who's to say that global warming or something else won't render the planet completely uninhabitable? Why is it impossible that life has just been lucky up to this point? Why can't the pieces have just fallen into place? Maybe that's very unlikely, but that doesn't mean it can't have happened.

Good point.
There's a lot of evidence that at one time there was bacterial life on the planet Mars, before it became uninhabitable.[/quote]
And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

[Ifreann]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

Well, the designer could have done either, and though personally I believe in the biblical text, scientific evidence and reasoning points slightly towards a designer, but doesn't lead to anywhere in the wilderness of theology.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

[Ifreann]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

Well, the designer could have done either, and though personally I believe in the biblical text, scientific evidence and reasoning points slightly towards a designer, but doesn't lead to anywhere in the wilderness of theology.

What evidence and reasoning points towards a designer?

[The Alma Mater]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

The Jovians find earth quite inhospitable you know. As do the Sunsurfers

[Ifreann]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

Wasn't there a thread a while ago about how one of Saturn's moons might be inhabited?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

Well, the designer could have done either, and though personally I believe in the biblical text, scientific evidence and reasoning points slightly towards a designer, but doesn't lead to anywhere in the wilderness of theology.

What evidence and reasoning points towards a designer?

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

[The Alma Mater]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

Wasn't there a thread a while ago about how one of Saturn's moons might be inhabited?

Europa from Jupiter I assume ?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

Wasn't there a thread a while ago about how one of Saturn's moons might be inhabited?

Well, could you live there naturally if you had just been like primitive man there? I doubt so.

[Karsol]

Bactria can live almost anywhere, some have been found in airtight rock 10 miles into the crust.
There is no doubt they;d find somewhere else to their liking.

[Kabobs]

And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

Well, the designer could have done either, and though personally I believe in the biblical text, scientific evidence and reasoning points slightly towards a designer, but doesn't lead to anywhere in the wilderness of theology.

What evidence and reasoning points towards a designer?

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

But at least we have proof. Around fifty pages of proof actually.

[Cabra West]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Hard to say, it could have, but there's no evidence yet.
It's quite possible that it didn't, and it's quite possible that life on earth will eventually die out.
Considering that earth's liftime is not infinite, I'd say it's highly likely that all life on this planet will eventually die out.

[Cabra West]

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

Just a sec there... you're the one arguing for something from nothing, namely that a supernatural being puffed into existence and proceeded to "create" life.
"The atheists" here argue that matter started to accumulate, and to copy, becoming what we now call life.

[Cabra West]

Well, could you live there naturally if you had just been like primitive man there? I doubt so.

No, you would have evolved differently.
You'd think that was quite obvious...

[Unchecked Expansion]

Bactria can live almost anywhere, some have been found in airtight rock 10 miles into the crust.
There is no doubt they;d find somewhere else to their liking.

I personally like the thermophilus strain that lives in boiling water and sweats sulphuric acid

[Ifreann]

And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

Wasn't there a thread a while ago about how one of Saturn's moons might be inhabited?

Well, could you live there naturally if you had just been like primitive man there? I doubt so.

Obviously I couldn't live there, but that doesn't mean that nothing can live there. Obviously we won't be able to tell until we send a lander to Titan(I believe) to have a look.

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And when it allegedly existed, did it evolve to survive? I don't know, because it didn't seem to survive. Maybe they just didn't have as much time.

Maybe God used Mars as a testing ground for life on Earth.

Maybe God wants to show us how lucky we are that we won the lottery to existing on the sole naturally inhabitable planet in the solar system.

Wasn't there a thread a while ago about how one of Saturn's moons might be inhabited?

Europa from Jupiter I assume ?

Titan, I think.

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And most of them come from the surivors. But without nature being guided, that may not be an option. And of course, going by what most evolutionists believe, we'll take a heck of a time to develop again and this time, with global warming and the like, there's nothing to prevent yet another mass extinction and if species particularly sensitive to heat are left, there'll be no hope for life.

Actually, a warming based mass extinction would probably leave all the heat resistant species alive. And nothing is stopping us from going extinct. The universe is unfair and unfeeling and eventually the works of man will be gone. But life will remain, even if it's just prokaryotic organisms that can adapt faster.

A mass extinction first caused by some tsunami or meteorite strike, followed up by a warming based disaster is possible. But now what you are saying is that even without any organisms in the first place, something managed to connect with something else, and then after many years, made a DNA molecule or something of that sort. And after mutations they grew far more complex. But what is there to make that particular something conect, connect, connect and produce?

You tell us. Did God do it? Did He intervene directly, or did he arrange circumstances so that life would inevitably come about, like setting up dominoes?

Well, the designer could have done either, and though personally I believe in the biblical text, scientific evidence and reasoning points slightly towards a designer, but doesn't lead to anywhere in the wilderness of theology.

What evidence and reasoning points towards a designer?

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

Atheists arguing that there doesn't need to be a god points towards there being a god? That makes no sense at all. Surely that would mean that you arguing that there does need to be a god points towards there not being a god, no?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

Just a sec there... you're the one arguing for something from nothing, namely that a supernatural being puffed into existence and proceeded to "create" life.
"The atheists" here argue that matter started to accumulate, and to copy, becoming what we now call life.

Well, and matter must come from somewhere to accumulate. Unless matter starts becoming eternal.

[Ifreann]

Bactria can live almost anywhere, some have been found in airtight rock 10 miles into the crust.
There is no doubt they;d find somewhere else to their liking.

I like water bears. Little guys are harder to kill than roaches.

[Cabra West]

Well, and matter must come from somewhere to accumulate. Unless matter starts becoming eternal.

Right... god made it, right? From nothing, right?

[Ifreann]

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

Just a sec there... you're the one arguing for something from nothing, namely that a supernatural being puffed into existence and proceeded to "create" life.
"The atheists" here argue that matter started to accumulate, and to copy, becoming what we now call life.

Well, and matter must come from somewhere to accumulate. Unless matter starts becoming eternal.

Why does matter have to come from somewhere?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Well, and matter must come from somewhere to accumulate. Unless matter starts becoming eternal.

Right... god made it, right? From nothing, right?

Right. Unless you start believing that matter created itself, of course. And since matter isn't exactly transcendent, it is automatically under "everything must have a cause".

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

The fact that some atheists are arguing for something, in this world, out of nothing. Which either means that a field of energy is transcendent and eternal, or something pops out of existence with no case, as a reaction to no action.

Just a sec there... you're the one arguing for something from nothing, namely that a supernatural being puffed into existence and proceeded to "create" life.
"The atheists" here argue that matter started to accumulate, and to copy, becoming what we now call life.

Well, and matter must come from somewhere to accumulate. Unless matter starts becoming eternal.

Why does matter have to come from somewhere?

Well, by all means, worship the eternal matter.

[Cabra West]

Right. Unless you start believing that matter created itself, of course. And since matter isn't exactly transcendent, it is automatically under "everything must have a cause".

Where did that god come from then? And what did he create the matter out of?