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In Canada, No Expectation of Privacy On the Net

Postby Beachchairs » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:12 pm

http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagend ... t_id=10544

The link is to a video clip. So here is how Slashdot summarizes:

"In a recent interview, Peter Van Loan, the new Canadian Public Safety minister, says ISPs should be able to provide private user information without a warrant. (The only example he gave was cases of child pornography; the interviewer pointed out that in these cases ISPs are already at liberty to divulge customer information without a warrant, but that the proposed rules would make that mandatory whenever the police ask.) He was adamant that in regard to IP addresses, names, cell phone numbers, and email addresses: '...that is not the kind of information about which Canadians have a legitimate expectation of privacy.' The minister denied — even when presented with an audio clip proving otherwise — that his predecessor had promised never to allow the police to wiretap the Internet without a warrant."


So what do you think? Do you think that the police should be getting this kind of information without a warrant? Does the Conservative Party hate freedom? Is Harper trying to turn Canada into the Borg?

In my opinion: this is bad, no, yes, yes.

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Postby Brogavia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:18 pm

Time to liberate Canada. First, socialism, outlawing guns, now this.

To arms, or since they took them away, to hockey sticks!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:19 pm

Brogavia wrote:Time to liberate Canada. First, socialism, outlawing guns, now this.

To arms, or since they took them away, to hockey sticks!

Watch it, they're next. :p
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:20 pm

Brogavia wrote:Time to liberate Canada. First, socialism, outlawing guns, now this.

To arms, or since they took them away, to hockey sticks!

If you have money I can get you guns from South of the boarder compatriot.
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Postby Brogavia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:22 pm

greed and death wrote:
Brogavia wrote:Time to liberate Canada. First, socialism, outlawing guns, now this.

To arms, or since they took them away, to hockey sticks!

If you have money I can get you guns from South of the boarder compatriot.


I am from south of border. I'm an American.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:33 pm

Brogavia wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Brogavia wrote:Time to liberate Canada. First, socialism, outlawing guns, now this.

To arms, or since they took them away, to hockey sticks!

If you have money I can get you guns from South of the boarder compatriot.


I am from south of border. I'm an American.

Then help me smuggle guns into Canada.
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Postby Brogavia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:39 pm

greed and death wrote:Then help me smuggle guns into Canada.


Deal.
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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:50 pm

State appeasing it's population =/= Socialism

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Postby Brogavia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:51 pm

Triniteras wrote:State appeasing it's population =/= Socialism


populism.
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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:53 pm

Brogavia wrote:populism.

Run by the equivalent of brigands.

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Postby Metallic Slumber » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:59 pm

Brogavia wrote:
to hockey sticks!


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Postby Scarsaw » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:00 pm

All this, right before Canada Day too! But anyway, I'm sorry police as I am usually on your side, but I can't agree with you snooping around on my internet business and demand my information without a warrant.
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Re: In Canada, No Expectation of Privacy On the Net

Postby Allanea » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:02 pm

Triniteras wrote:State appeasing it's population =/= Socialism


Why not?
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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:04 pm

Scarsaw wrote:But anyway, I'm sorry police as I am usually on your side, but I can't agree with you snooping around on my internet business and demand my information without a warrant.

That's too bad.
Allanea wrote:
Triniteras wrote:State appeasing it's population =/= Socialism

Why not?

Because any state can do that.
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Postby Allanea » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:16 pm

Because any state can do that.


If it appeases the population by socialist acts, then it is socialism; I see no reason why the two can't go together.
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Postby Steam Steam East » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:19 pm

I can't believe I used to support this man, but it seems that Harper wishes to turn Canada into a police state with his Big Brother policies. The government should be protecting our freedoms, not handing them over to the police. I'm not comfortable with anyone sticking their noses where they don't belong. Privacy is the one freedom that should never be violated.
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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:21 pm

Allanea wrote:If it appeases the population by socialist acts, then it is socialism; I see no reason why the two can't go together.

Canada has no intention of moving towards Socialism.

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Re: In Canada, No Expectation of Privacy On the Net

Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:28 pm

So, do they have to actually have solid evidence of child pornography or can they just claim that they do to get the info?
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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:33 pm

Vetalia wrote:So, do they have to actually have solid evidence of child pornography or can they just claim that they do to get the info?

Does it matter when the effect is the same?

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Postby Steam Steam East » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:34 pm

Triniteras wrote:
Allanea wrote:If it appeases the population by socialist acts, then it is socialism; I see no reason why the two can't go together.

Canada has no intention of moving towards Socialism.


Not with a fascist like Harper in charge.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:35 pm

Triniteras wrote:Does it matter when the effect is the same?


It makes a huge difference...requiring actual evidence still protects people who aren't committing that offense from being searched for other things unrelated to CP.
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Postby Beachchairs » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:38 pm

Vetalia wrote:So, do they have to actually have solid evidence of child pornography or can they just claim that they do to get the info?

If the Public Safety Minister had his way, they would be able to just cuz.

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Postby Triniteras » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:40 pm

Vetalia wrote:It makes a huge difference...requiring actual evidence still protects people who aren't committing that offense from being searched for other things unrelated to CP.

Oh. I thought we weren't bothering with courts anymore.

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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:41 pm

Triniteras wrote:Oh. I thought we weren't bothering with courts anymore.


True...not that the courts would say no anyways.
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Postby Beachchairs » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:42 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Triniteras wrote:Oh. I thought we weren't bothering with courts anymore.


True...not that the courts would say no anyways.

They might have once or twice... It could happen I suppose.
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