Protestors Being A Public Nuisance Discussion

[Ifreann]

What are you even talking about? America has a presidential system, and it would be quite unreasonable to blame us for something a foreigner did.

Democracy is not a crime, and anyone who views it as one and tries to violently destroy it is much worse than any old petty criminal.

Okay, let me rephrase that. Assuming that I lived in the United States of America. If I the president passed a law that I disagree with, and I smashed your window as a form of protest, that's democracy, but if I smashed the president's window as a form of protest, that's treason?

No.

Also, how the fuck are arson and vandalism petty crimes? Seriously, in what universe is arson a petty crime?

In what universe is vandalism not a petty crime?

[El Lazaro]

What are you even talking about? America has a presidential system, and it would be quite unreasonable to blame us for something a foreigner did.

Democracy is not a crime, and anyone who views it as one and tries to violently destroy it is much worse than any old petty criminal.

Okay, let me rephrase that. Assuming that I lived in the United States of America. If I the president passed a law that I disagree with, and I smashed your window as a form of protest, that's democracy, but if I smashed the president's window as a form of protest, that's treason? Also, how the fuck are arson and vandalism petty crimes? Seriously, in what universe is arson a petty crime?

Honestly, if you support that kind of stuff, I don’t want you in the US. Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked if they support terrorist or totalitarian extremist groups. It’s no laughing matter.

Property is less important than people, and freedom is more important than anything. There’s no point in comparing property damage to a crime someone ought to be shot for committing.

[Australian rePublic]

Okay, let me rephrase that. Assuming that I lived in the United States of America. If I the president passed a law that I disagree with, and I smashed your window as a form of protest, that's democracy, but if I smashed the president's window as a form of protest, that's treason? Also, how the fuck are arson and vandalism petty crimes? Seriously, in what universe is arson a petty crime?

Honestly, if you support that kind of stuff, I don’t want you in the US. Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked if they support terrorist or totalitarian extremist groups. It’s no laughing matter.

Property is less important than people, and freedom is more important than anything. There’s no point in comparing property damage to a crime someone ought to be shot for committing.

Oh for fuck's sake. No, I abhor those kinds of crimes. I already said that. How much clearer can I make it? How hard is it to understand the concept of a hypothetical situation? Or are you being deliberately ignorant?

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

Except, none of the causes I posted as example support autocracy. No matter how stupid or misguided they are, they are fighting against autocracy. I am not supporting the rights of people like NAZIs to protest. Their movement is INTENTIONALLY hostile and hateful. The other movements I mentioned here are fighting for freedom, albeit misguidedly. As misguided and stupid as they are, anti-vaxxers are genuinely fighting for freedom and genuinely fighting against autocracy, albeit misguidedly. You can talk day and night about how stupid anti-vaxxers are, and you would be correct, but you can't argue that they weren't fighting for freedom

Nazis have a right to protest. Treason is a capital crime.

They should not.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I specifically oppose anti-vaxxer protests because of their goals not because of their methods.

...not every day you hear the quiet part said out loud. Not sure whether to consider this refreshing or alarming. Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death for your right to say it"?

But yeah, "protest isn't supposed to be convenient" shouldn't be a blank check for every unethical protest tactic out there. There have to be limitations, and these limitations shouldn't depend on whether you agree or disagree with their cause. I don't know where the line is, but blocking ambulances should be considered reckless endangerment at best.

[Australian rePublic]

I specifically oppose anti-vaxxer protests because of their goals not because of their methods.

...not every day you hear the quiet part said out loud. Not sure whether to consider this refreshing or alarming. Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death for your right to say it"?

But yeah, "protest isn't supposed to be convenient" shouldn't be a blank check for every unethical protest tactic out there. There have to be limitations, and these limitations shouldn't depend on whether you agree or disagree with their cause. I don't know where the line is, but blocking ambulances should be considered reckless endangerment at best.

Thank You! Thank You!

[El Lazaro]

Nazis have a right to protest. Treason is a capital crime.

They should not.

Ignoring the symptoms doesn’t make the disease go away.

Honestly, if you support that kind of stuff, I don’t want you in the US. Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked if they support terrorist or totalitarian extremist groups. It’s no laughing matter.

Property is less important than people, and freedom is more important than anything. There’s no point in comparing property damage to a crime someone ought to be shot for committing.

Oh for fuck's sake. No, I abhor those kinds of crimes. I already said that. How much clearer can I make it? How hard is it to understand the concept of a hypothetical situation? Or are you being deliberately ignorant?

Hypothetically speaking, I would not like you to immigrate to the United States.

[Stylan]

Missed my fucking point about you not being the arbiter of what is and good is a good cause. By The Way, the 6 Jan protestors THOUGHT that they were protecting democratic elections. They are very, very wrong, but they thought it nonetheless


That is the worst justification I have ever heard for violence


No, I am not comparing anti-vaxxers to climate change activists. Anti-Vax is one of the dumbest movements out there. I don't know many people who are much stupider than anti-vaxxers, you really can't get stupider than that. However, that's not the fucking point. My point is that you are not the arbiter of what is and isn't a good cause. Why is that so fucking hard to understand? Or are you deliberately misinterpreting me?

I am the arbiter of right and wrong. Autocracy is wrong, and if you support it, you are wrong.

And how do you define autocracy?

[Australian rePublic]

They should not.

Ignoring the symptoms doesn’t make the disease go away.

Oh for fuck's sake. No, I abhor those kinds of crimes. I already said that. How much clearer can I make it? How hard is it to understand the concept of a hypothetical situation? Or are you being deliberately ignorant?

Hypothetically speaking, I would not like you to immigrate to the United States.

**sigh** you're the guy that gave me grief in the last thread where I got banned for 24 hours. I have dedicated an entire thread to discuss how bad violence is, and here you are grasping at straws to try to make me look I am commending violence. I don't know whether you're deliberately being stupid or just really have a difficult time trying to grasp the concept of anything. Either case, don't argue with an idiot, he'll drag down to his level and beat you with his experience. At this point, you're really acting like an idiot, possibly deliberately, and I'm not arguing with idiots. Arguing with you is like trying to argue with a toddler during a temper tantrum. In fact, I'd probably have a better chance with the toddler

[El Lazaro]

I am the arbiter of right and wrong. Autocracy is wrong, and if you support it, you are wrong.

And how do you define autocracy?

A form of government where power has been consolidated by a ruler who isn’t accountable to the people or political institutions under any lawful or customary processes

Ignoring the symptoms doesn’t make the disease go away.


Hypothetically speaking, I would not like you to immigrate to the United States.

**sigh** you're the guy that gave me grief in the last thread where I got banned for 24 hours. I have dedicated an entire thread to discuss how bad violence is, and here you are grasping at straws to try to make me look I am commending violence. I don't know whether you're deliberately being stupid or just really have a difficult time trying to grasp the concept of anything. Either case, don't argue with an idiot, he'll drag down to his level and beat you with his experience. At this point, you're really acting like an idiot, possibly deliberately, and I'm not arguing with idiots. Arguing with you is like trying to argue with a toddler during a temper tantrum. In fact, I'd probably have a better chance with the toddler

Maybe you’d have a chance if you made arguments instead of name calling and parading around as if you couldn’t possibly be wrong.

[Australian rePublic]

And how do you define autocracy?

A form of government where power has been consolidated by a ruler who isn’t accountable to the people or political institutions under any lawful or customary processes

**sigh** you're the guy that gave me grief in the last thread where I got banned for 24 hours. I have dedicated an entire thread to discuss how bad violence is, and here you are grasping at straws to try to make me look I am commending violence. I don't know whether you're deliberately being stupid or just really have a difficult time trying to grasp the concept of anything. Either case, don't argue with an idiot, he'll drag down to his level and beat you with his experience. At this point, you're really acting like an idiot, possibly deliberately, and I'm not arguing with idiots. Arguing with you is like trying to argue with a toddler during a temper tantrum. In fact, I'd probably have a better chance with the toddler

Maybe you’d have a chance if you made arguments instead of name calling and parading around as if you couldn’t possibly be wrong.

I was making an argument, but you're deliberately taking out of context to make me look like a violent criminal, even though I have specifically actively condemning violent crime. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If you still can't understand that I am NOT advocating for violent crime, then you're an idiot (and most likely intentionally an idiot), and I'm not wasting my intellect arguing with idiots. Notice how I'm not having any issue arguing with anyone else who I disagree with? That's because they're not actively going out of their way to take me out of context to make me look like a violent criminal in a thread dedicated to me condemning violent crime

[El Lazaro]

A form of government where power has been consolidated by a ruler who isn’t accountable to the people or political institutions under any lawful or customary processes


Maybe you’d have a chance if you made arguments instead of name calling and parading around as if you couldn’t possibly be wrong.

I was making an argument, but you're deliberately taking out of context to make me look like a violent criminal, even though I have specifically actively condemning violent crime. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If you still can't understand that I am NOT advocating for violent crime, then you're an idiot (and most likely intentionally an idiot), and I'm not wasting my intellect arguing with idiots

Huh? What violent crime?

[Australian rePublic]

I was making an argument, but you're deliberately taking out of context to make me look like a violent criminal, even though I have specifically actively condemning violent crime. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. If you still can't understand that I am NOT advocating for violent crime, then you're an idiot (and most likely intentionally an idiot), and I'm not wasting my intellect arguing with idiots

Huh? What violent crime?

When you said that you don't want me anywhere near the USA because I am likely to commit treason, arson or vandalism. Most of which are violent crimes. That's what this whole stupid discussion is about and what lead us down this rabbit hole. Surely you're not actually that stupid to be asking what violent crime I'm referring to. That's not to say that there aren't people that stupid, just that you're not one of them. You very well know that that lead us down this rabbit hole. You very well know that that's the violent crime that I'm referring to stop acting stupid. This has to be deliberate idiocy. Either way, I'm not arguing against idiocy. You can either go around parading your ability to pretend to be an idiot because you can't have an honest intellectual conversation, or you can grow up and try to have an honest intellectual conversation. But as long as you do the former, then there is no point in trying to argue with you. I'd rather take my chances arguing against a toddler chucking a tantrum. I'm not arguing with toddlers. If you wanna act like a toddler, that's your proactive, but I'm not arguing with toddlers

[El Lazaro]

Huh? What violent crime?

When you said that you don't want me anywhere near the USA because I am likely to commit treason, arson or vandalism. Most of which are violent crimes. That's what this whole stupid discussion is about and what lead us down this rabbit hole. Surely you're not actually that stupid to be asking what violent crime I'm referring to. That's not to say that there aren't people that stupid, just that you're not one of them. You very well know that that lead us down this rabbit hole. You very well know that that's the violent crime that I'm referring to stop acting stupid. This has to be deliberate idiocy. Either way, I'm not arguing against idiocy. You can either go around parading your ability to pretend to be an idiot because you can't have an honest intellectual conversation, or you can grow up and try to have an honest intellectual conversation. But as long as you do the former, then there is no point in trying to argue with you. I'd rather take my chances arguing against a toddler chucking a tantrum

Ignoring the rather immature deluge of insults, vandalism is not violent crime outside of very specific circumstances.

[Australian rePublic]

When you said that you don't want me anywhere near the USA because I am likely to commit treason, arson or vandalism. Most of which are violent crimes. That's what this whole stupid discussion is about and what lead us down this rabbit hole. Surely you're not actually that stupid to be asking what violent crime I'm referring to. That's not to say that there aren't people that stupid, just that you're not one of them. You very well know that that lead us down this rabbit hole. You very well know that that's the violent crime that I'm referring to stop acting stupid. This has to be deliberate idiocy. Either way, I'm not arguing against idiocy. You can either go around parading your ability to pretend to be an idiot because you can't have an honest intellectual conversation, or you can grow up and try to have an honest intellectual conversation. But as long as you do the former, then there is no point in trying to argue with you. I'd rather take my chances arguing against a toddler chucking a tantrum

Ignoring the rather immature deluge of insults, vandalism is not violent crime outside of very specific circumstances.

Oh, so you do suddenly understand that I am not commending violent crimes? How convenient. Either way, way to ignore arson and treason, which very well are violent crimes. The whole purpose of my post wasn't to compile a list of violent crimes. In fact, I didn't even consider vandalism a violent crime, hence the word "MOST". I mean, the word "most" was written there for a reason. You can't have any arguments so your poorly nitpicking words to have a semantic discussion unrelated to the topic. Again, acting like an idiot. Or are you deliberately provoking me to try to get me banned? Either way, you're acting like a toddler. If you don't wanna be compared to a toddler, stop acting like one. Did you actually want to address my point, or do wanna take it out of context to have a stupid semantic argument? Do you wanna actually address my point or do you wanna provoke me into getting banned? The later seems to be the case in both situations

[El Lazaro]

Ignoring the rather immature deluge of insults, vandalism is not violent crime outside of very specific circumstances.

Oh, so you do suddenly understand that I am not commending violent crimes? How convenient. Either way, way to ignore arson and treason, which very well are violent crimes. The whole purpose of my post wasn't to compile a list of violent crimes. In fact, I didn't even consider vandalism a violent crime, hence the word "MOST". I mean, the word "most" was written there for a reason. You can't have any arguments so your poorly nitpicking words to have a semantic discussion unrelated to the topic. Again, acting like an idiot. Or are you deliberately provoking me to try to get me banned? Either way, you're acting like a toddler. If you don't wanna be compared to a toddler, stop acting like one. Did you actually want to address my point, or do wanna take it out of context to have a stupid semantic argument? Do you wanna actually address my point or do you wanna provoke me into getting banned? The later seems to be the case in both situations

Feel free to report me if you believe I am baiting you. I don’t particularly care to argue this because I’m not the arbiter of what the rules are.

[Australian rePublic]

Oh, so you do suddenly understand that I am not commending violent crimes? How convenient. Either way, way to ignore arson and treason, which very well are violent crimes. The whole purpose of my post wasn't to compile a list of violent crimes. In fact, I didn't even consider vandalism a violent crime, hence the word "MOST". I mean, the word "most" was written there for a reason. You can't have any arguments so your poorly nitpicking words to have a semantic discussion unrelated to the topic. Again, acting like an idiot. Or are you deliberately provoking me to try to get me banned? Either way, you're acting like a toddler. If you don't wanna be compared to a toddler, stop acting like one. Did you actually want to address my point, or do wanna take it out of context to have a stupid semantic argument? Do you wanna actually address my point or do you wanna provoke me into getting banned? The later seems to be the case in both situations

Feel free to report me if you believe I am baiting you. I don’t particularly care to argue this because I’m not the arbiter of what the rules are.

No. I'm not going to report you. Unlike you, I'm not trying to make you my enemy. I'm not trying to create bad blood between us. If you're interested in an honest discussion, then I will have an honest discussion, but if not, leave it at that. I'm not going to report you because it's not going to achieve anything other than getting you in trouble, which will achieve nothing. I'm not going to get you in trouble with the mods just because. What will it achieve? If you want to have a proper discussion, we'll have a proper discussion. If you don't, we won't and this ends here. The only reason why I would report you at this stage is out of spite. I'm not reporting you out of spite. I can have a different opinion to you without making you my enemy

[El Lazaro]

Feel free to report me if you believe I am baiting you. I don’t particularly care to argue this because I’m not the arbiter of what the rules are.

No. I'm not going to report you. Unlike you, I'm not trying to make you my enemy. I'm not trying to create bad blood between us. If you're interested in an honest discussion, then I will have an honest discussion, but if not, leave it at that. I'm not going to report you but it's not going to achieve anything other than getting you in trouble, which will achieve nothing. I'm not going to get you in trouble with the mods just because. What will it achieve? If you want to have a proper discussion, we'll have a proper discussion. If you don't, we won't and this ends here. The only reason why I would report you at this stage is out of spite. I'm not reporting you out of spite

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