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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:15 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:So you guys believe Biden?

I believe that this deserves an investigation. That said, Biden hasn't done anything fully worth my large amount of skepticism, whilst trump has.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:16 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:if your idol lies as easily as he draws breath people tend to come to certain conclusions...

But he doesn't.

actually your idol lies so fucking much he has inspired the leadership of Swedish parties to blatantly misdirect, lie with bald-faces and come up with naked contradictions to their previous statements to extents that was previously unheard of in Sweden... previously if you sought to embezzle and deceive the populace your political career would be guilloutined, even for as little as toblerones and toilet paper... no longer lmfao.
Your idol has directly made my life and 10 million other Swedes shittier.
Should. I. Thank. DJT?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:18 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
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Biden declares emergency in California as more winter storms advance (CNBC)
- President Joe Biden on Monday declared an emergency in California after a barrage of deadly winter storms has prompted widespread power outages and flooding since last week.

- Extreme downpours, high winds and flash floods have caused at least 12 fatalities in the past 10 days and led to power outages for hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses across the state.

- National Weather Service forecasters have warned of a “relentless parade of cyclones” over the coming days that will exacerbate the risk of flooding in central and Northern California.
President Joe Biden on Monday declared an emergency in California after a barrage of deadly winter storms has prompted widespread power outages and flooding since last week.

Extreme downpours, high winds and flash floods have caused at least 12 fatalities in the past 10 days and created power outages for hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses across the state. National Weather Service forecasters have warned of a “relentless parade of cyclones” over the coming days that will exacerbate the risk of flooding in central and Northern California.

“Round after round of heavy rain on saturated soils will produce considerable flood potential with rapid river rises, mudslides and burn scar flash floods or debris flows,” NWS forecasters said in a bulletin.

The president approved the emergency declaration for California during a visit in Mexico City for the North American Leaders’ Summit. California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Sunday evening said he’s in close contact with the White House to ensure the state has adequate aid.

The president’s emergency declaration authorizes the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and provide assistance for required emergency measures, the White House said in a statement.

The declaration covers the counties of El Dorado, Los Angeles, Mariposa, Mendocino, Merced, Monterey, Napa, Placer, Riverside, Sacramento, San Bernardino, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Sonoma, Stanislaus and Ventura.

As of Monday morning, more than 130,000 homes and businesses in California were still without power, according to data from PowerOutage.us. Pacific Gas and Electric, the state’s largest power company, said on its website on Sunday that more than 4,100 crews are staged throughout its service area — including the regions most affected by the storms — in one of the company’s largest emergency response efforts in history.

California has endured a series of atmospheric river storms, which are long, narrow streams in the atmosphere that transport most of the water vapor outside of the tropics and typically produce extreme rainfall and snowfall over short durations.

The atmospheric river storms have overlapped with a low-pressure system often referred to as a bomb cyclone, a phenomenon that generally occurs when a cold air mass collides with a warm air mass.

The upcoming storms are particularly concerning as the ground in California remains saturated and therefore more vulnerable to flooding and rapid runoff. The NWS said it anticipates heavy rainfall of up to five inches near California’s coast and more than six feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada mountain range in the coming days.

If we could only put out a giant tarp to collect all the water we could solve two problems at once.

I understand NorCal is taking this on the chin. Down here it's just wet, but since it's never wet everyone has lost their mind.

I think the bummer is going to be that this will be it, a burst of rain and then see ya until December/January next year.
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:19 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:I believe that this deserves an investigation. That said, Biden hasn't done anything fully worth my large amount of skepticism, whilst trump has.

Fair is Fair and Even. I Just Coined $ another Phrase on NS.

Friend, amigo, associate, compadre, other words with similar meanings, I can personally assure you that you did not come up with the phrase fair is fair.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:20 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Plus Biden already saying he has no idea how it got there which is implying he might very well have never seen this documents.

So you guys believe Biden?


No.

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Postby Platoon of Peace » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:22 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:But he doesn't.

actually your idol lies so fucking much he has inspired the leadership of Swedish parties to blatantly misdirect, lie with bald-faces and come up with naked contradictions to their previous statements to extents that was previously unheard of in Sweden... previously if you sought to embezzle and deceive the populace your political career would be guilloutined, even for as little as toblerones and toilet paper... no longer lmfao.
Your idol has directly made my life and 10 million other Swedes shittier.
Should. I. Thank. DJT?

Local swed discovers politicians lie. Trump certainly helped the scenario, but you're giving him a biiiit too much credit.
Daily smartman things occasionally.

So like you know when you walk into an debate thinking you're gonna beat this guys ass verbally and then walk out realising you're an idiot? Yeah that'd never be me.
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Would be a republican if trump didn't feel like existing and being himself, now tends to be more of a democrat-centrist dude
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:24 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:actually your idol lies so fucking much he has inspired the leadership of Swedish parties to blatantly misdirect, lie with bald-faces and come up with naked contradictions to their previous statements to extents that was previously unheard of in Sweden... previously if you sought to embezzle and deceive the populace your political career would be guilloutined, even for as little as toblerones and toilet paper... no longer lmfao.
Your idol has directly made my life and 10 million other Swedes shittier.
Should. I. Thank. DJT?

Local swed discovers politicians lie. Trump certainly helped the scenario, but you're giving him a biiiit too much credit.

This same shit ended the career of Mona Sahlin... the favourite for Prime Minister in 1996... literally over toblerones and toilet paper...
And you know what? Mona Sahlin is still unelectable...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:24 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Plus Biden already saying he has no idea how it got there which is implying he might very well have never seen this documents.

So you guys believe Biden?


It’s not a question of belief. It’s what the investigation will show. Biden could be honest. Biden could by lying. Biden could have honestly not known especially with your lot’s declarations and jokes about his mental acuity.

We will probably not get an honest picture from the republicans who will be controlling this investigation. They; like you; will try to say both actions are the same.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:29 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:So you guys believe Biden?


No.


Why? What reason would he have to steal classified documents?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:30 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:

If we could only put out a giant tarp to collect all the water we could solve two problems at once.

I understand NorCal is taking this on the chin. Down here it's just wet, but since it's never wet everyone has lost their mind.

I think the bummer is going to be that this will be it, a burst of rain and then see ya until December/January next year.


Nah. Just increase the penalties for all those giant pools and giant grass areas in LA. :p

Yea we really have to get better with water storage.

-edit-

I finally found a climate wacko. He is a water guy and has the background to explain the climate patterns.

He said we need to move the cities and homes out of the flood plains. Insurance should not be used to rebuild. It will be hard but worth it in the end.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Hispida » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:32 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Fair is Fair and Even. I Just Coined $ another Phrase on NS.

Friend, amigo, associate, compadre, other words with similar meanings, I can personally assure you that you did not come up with the phrase fair is fair.

he also added "is even," which makes it a completely different phrase.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:33 pm

Hispida wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Friend, amigo, associate, compadre, other words with similar meanings, I can personally assure you that you did not come up with the phrase fair is fair.

he also added "is even," which makes it a completely different phrase.


Even then; what is fair isn’t always even.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:34 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:But he doesn't.

actually your idol lies so fucking much he has inspired the leadership of Swedish parties to blatantly misdirect, lie with bald-faces and come up with naked contradictions to their previous statements to extents that was previously unheard of in Sweden... previously if you sought to embezzle and deceive the populace your political career would be guilloutined, even for as little as toblerones and toilet paper... no longer lmfao.
Your idol has directly made my life and 10 million other Swedes shittier.
Should. I. Thank. DJT?

"But he doesn't..."

Motherfucker lied about the weather at an event eeeeeeeeveryone saw and there are still video records of.

When you lie about the rain at an event lousy with cameras, that's pathological. That's a deep down need to lie. He lies even when he doesn't need to and he's easily disproved. He has to be one of the most prolific liars in the public sphere, though apparently there's a new House member going for the crown.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.


Why? What reason would he have to steal classified documents?


Who the hell knows? But he hasn't a single iota of trustworthiness, so...

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:35 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:So you guys believe Biden?


No.

Mostly because we don't have to. It's being investigated and so far he's not impeding that in any way.
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:39 pm

Hispida wrote:
Platoon of Peace wrote:Friend, amigo, associate, compadre, other words with similar meanings, I can personally assure you that you did not come up with the phrase fair is fair.

he also added "is even," which makes it a completely different phrase.

Ok, well he may have coined that phrase because what the hell does "whats fair is fair is even" mean.
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:actually your idol lies so fucking much he has inspired the leadership of Swedish parties to blatantly misdirect, lie with bald-faces and come up with naked contradictions to their previous statements to extents that was previously unheard of in Sweden... previously if you sought to embezzle and deceive the populace your political career would be guilloutined, even for as little as toblerones and toilet paper... no longer lmfao.
Your idol has directly made my life and 10 million other Swedes shittier.
Should. I. Thank. DJT?

"But he doesn't..."

Motherfucker lied about the weather at an event eeeeeeeeveryone saw and there are still video records of.

When you lie about the rain at an event lousy with cameras, that's pathological. That's a deep down need to lie. He lies even when he doesn't need to and he's easily disproved. He has to be one of the most prolific liars in the public sphere, though apparently there's a new House member going for the crown.

Bruh you're problem is that? That's like the most tame lie I've ever seen what are you talking about?
Daily smartman things occasionally.

So like you know when you walk into an debate thinking you're gonna beat this guys ass verbally and then walk out realising you're an idiot? Yeah that'd never be me.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:40 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Fair is Fair and Even. I Just Coined $ another Phrase on NS.

Friend, amigo, associate, compadre, other words with similar meanings, I can personally assure you that you did not come up with the phrase fair is fair.

I know, I said I Coined it on NS because it fits the substance of the subject. If you dismiss one based on this or that, then you should dismiss both based on this or that.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.


Why? What reason would he have to steal classified documents?


I don’t know how he thinks.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:If we could only put out a giant tarp to collect all the water we could solve two problems at once.

I understand NorCal is taking this on the chin. Down here it's just wet, but since it's never wet everyone has lost their mind.

I think the bummer is going to be that this will be it, a burst of rain and then see ya until December/January next year.


Nah. Just increase the penalties for all those giant pools and giant grass areas in LA. :p

Yea we really have to get better with water storage.

-edit-

I finally found a climate wacko. He is a water guy and has the background to explain the climate patterns.

He said we need to move the cities and homes out of the flood plains. Insurance should not be used to rebuild. It will be hard but worth it in the end.

Dude we built the state's capitol on a flood plain so persistent we had to build a new city on top of the old one.

That's not hyperbole for those non-northern California central valley folk who might not know that, current Sacramento is built on top of the second Sacramento they built after the first Sacramento flooded and they thought, "Yeah, but that won't happen twice..."

You can take tours. I haven't but I snuck into an opening once not actually knowing what it was at the time.

We did leave a big ol' flood plain between Sacramento and Davis so we could supply Japan with rice.

I've always been so confounded with such a beautiful state with so much and we seem to put houses in the dumbest places.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:45 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why? What reason would he have to steal classified documents?


I don’t know how he thinks.


I very much doubt Biden would intentionally steal classified document and hide them in a locked closet.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:46 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
Hispida wrote:he also added "is even," which makes it a completely different phrase.

Ok, well he may have coined that phrase because what the hell does "whats fair is fair is even" mean.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"But he doesn't..."

Motherfucker lied about the weather at an event eeeeeeeeveryone saw and there are still video records of.

When you lie about the rain at an event lousy with cameras, that's pathological. That's a deep down need to lie. He lies even when he doesn't need to and he's easily disproved. He has to be one of the most prolific liars in the public sphere, though apparently there's a new House member going for the crown.

Bruh you're problem is that? That's like the most tame lie I've ever seen what are you talking about?

I think you might have let the point slip right past you, man.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t know how he thinks.


I very much doubt Biden would intentionally steal classified document and hide them in a locked closet.


You never know.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t know how he thinks.


I very much doubt Biden would intentionally steal classified document and hide them in a locked closet.


You'd sincerely doubt Biden did anything wrong if you watched him do it...

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:54 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I very much doubt Biden would intentionally steal classified document and hide them in a locked closet.


You never know.

Hopefully we'll find out. That's what investigations are for.

That's what GMS and everyone else clucking their tongues are missing for some reason.

We find out that Trump has boxes and boxes of papers he should have returned-holy shit, look into that. But Trump doesn't want that. Trump sycophants don't want that. So there's a debate, because you have Trump and Trump's surrogates saying that we shouldn't look into it, no big deal.

We find out that Biden had a dozen documents he should have returned but no one noticed until his lawyers found them, they were immediately reported to the archive and an investigation as to why there were there in the first place (as well as why no one noticed for six years) opens. Good, look into that. There is no 'other side' to this. Unless GMS is saying he doesn't want this investigated.

So what is he trying to argue here? What does he think we oppose? Is it just the relative benefit of the doubt Biden is getting? Because the behavior in the wake of it earns that since at the moment it doesn't appear like he's trying to hide anything or impede an investigation. When he does, we'll likely condemn that but we're not there yet.

So this is just sound and fury signalling nothing.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:56 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
You never know.

Hopefully we'll find out. That's what investigations are for.

That's what GMS and everyone else clucking their tongues are missing for some reason.

We find out that Trump has boxes and boxes of papers he should have returned-holy shit, look into that. But Trump doesn't want that. Trump sycophants don't want that. So there's a debate, because you have Trump and Trump's surrogates saying that we shouldn't look into it, no big deal.

We find out that Biden had a dozen documents he should have returned but no one noticed until his lawyers found them, they were immediately reported to the archive and an investigation as to why there were there in the first place (as well as why no one noticed for six years) opens. Good, look into that. There is no 'other side' to this. Unless GMS is saying he doesn't want this investigated.

So what is he trying to argue here? What does he think we oppose? Is it just the relative benefit of the doubt Biden is getting? Because the behavior in the wake of it earns that since at the moment it doesn't appear like he's trying to hide anything or impede an investigation. When he does, we'll likely condemn that but we're not there yet.

So this is just sound and fury signalling nothing.


It doesn't look like there was any crime here. If someone commits a crime unknowingly its very unlikely any charges would be filed.

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