American Politics 16: After The Ballooning

[The Alma Mater]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

[Shrillland]

Mike Rogers and Matt Gaetz have officially made up after Rogers' attempt to turn Gaetz into a defective jigsaw puzzle

[American Legionaries]

Mike Rogers and Matt Gaetz have officially made up after Rogers' attempt to turn Gaetz into a defective jigsaw puzzle

Yo be fair, Matt Gaetz already looks like a defective jigsaw puzzle.

[Haganham]

It's the same old same old with people, the desire to blame social ills on some other group that they dislike will always be present.

So why are the "it is not guns, it is lack of healthcare" people so vehemently against improving healthcare?

We aren't?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Mike Rogers and Matt Gaetz have officially made up after Rogers' attempt to turn Gaetz into a defective jigsaw puzzle

For now.

[Elwher]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Is it better to jail someone immediately if you see them kill someone or not arrest them at all?
Obviously a trial is much more ideal but if you see them break the law i'd honestly prefer them being jailed immediately rather than left unpunished.

[Elwher]

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Is it better to jail someone immediately if you see them kill someone or not arrest them at all?
Obviously a trial is much more ideal but if you see them break the law i'd honestly prefer them being jailed immediately rather than left unpunished.

By that logic, the situation at Rikers Island is quite acceptable. We can't have those potential criminals walking the streets just because they have not been convicted, can we?

[American Legionaries]

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Is it better to jail someone immediately if you see them kill someone or not arrest them at all?
Obviously a trial is much more ideal but if you see them break the law i'd honestly prefer them being jailed immediately rather than left unpunished.

Given the less than Stellar history of people 'seeing' crimes be committed, I'd prefer the latter.

[Rusozak]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Dangerous individuals are often held in custody until the trial, yes. Perhaps they wouldn't have to wait as long if we reformed the judicial system.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Is it better to jail someone immediately if you see them kill someone or not arrest them at all?
Obviously a trial is much more ideal but if you see them break the law i'd honestly prefer them being jailed immediately rather than left unpunished.

By that logic, the situation at Rikers Island is quite acceptable. We can't have those potential criminals walking the streets just because they have not been convicted, can we?

I didn't say it was good. I said it's better than not arresting them at all. Also, they aren't "potential criminals" in this case. We have recorded evidence of them doing it. It's not acceptable, it's just not better than not convicting them at all. I'd still much, much rather there be fair trials.

[Ifreann]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Jails are used for pre-trial detention in the US.

[Elwher]

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Jails are used for pre-trial detention in the US.

And should not be, unless there is a demonstrable flight risk.

[Ifreann]

Jails are used for pre-trial detention in the US.

And should not be, unless there is a demonstrable flight risk.

So if there's a flight risk you can skip the nuisance of a trial. Cool.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Jails are used for pre-trial detention in the US.

And should not be, unless there is a demonstrable flight risk.

are you proposing that people arrested on serious suspicions of violent crime should be left to their own devices at large while trial awaits?

[The Black Forrest]

And should not be, unless there is a demonstrable flight risk.

are you proposing that people arrested on serious suspicions of violent crime should be left to their own devices at large while trial awaits?

Was going to post something similar. People in jail before trial are there for reasons. They also are supposed to get time served after judgement.

[American Legionaries]

are you proposing that people arrested on serious suspicions of violent crime should be left to their own devices at large while trial awaits?

Was going to post something similar. People in jail before trial are there for reasons. They also are supposed to get time served after judgement.

More often than not the people in detention before trial seem to be there for the reason that they're poor. And "time served" is all fine and dandy, unless you're acquitted.

[The Black Forrest]

And should not be, unless there is a demonstrable flight risk.

So if there's a flight risk you can skip the nuisance of a trial. Cool.

Sorry, I have had my fill of snark today.

[The Black Forrest]

Was going to post something similar. People in jail before trial are there for reasons. They also are supposed to get time served after judgement.

More often than not the people in detention before trial seem to be there for the reason that they're poor. And "time served" is all fine and dandy, unless you're acquitted.

If they are destined to be acquitted?; probably not going to be held anyway. It depends on the person and their history if any.

[Ifreann]

More often than not the people in detention before trial seem to be there for the reason that they're poor. And "time served" is all fine and dandy, unless you're acquitted.

If they are destined to be acquitted?; probably not going to be held anyway. It depends on the person and their history if any.

Bet it depends a lot on their skin colour.

[The Black Forrest]

If they are destined to be acquitted?; probably not going to be held anyway. It depends on the person and their history if any.

Bet it depends a lot on their skin colour.

*shrugs* I can’t answer that one. Even then; no jail time for anybody is a silly solution.

[American Legionaries]

More often than not the people in detention before trial seem to be there for the reason that they're poor. And "time served" is all fine and dandy, unless you're acquitted.

If they are destined to be acquitted?; probably not going to be held anyway. It depends on the person and their history if any.

Sure, if we just handwave all the people who are wrongly held, then we can justify the ones who are being reasonably held. But the reality isn't as clean as your assumptions, is it? Cases get dismissed, people have charges reduced, etc. etc. In all of those situations those people were held in jail for sometimes weeks or months when they never deserved to be there.

[Nora Xent]

Damn, C-span no longer has control over the cameras.

[Celritannia]

Btw, it is oddly refreshing to see a country arrest and jail insurrectionists immediately instead of having them still happily walking around free two years later, actively influencing elections.

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Jail isn't the same as prison.
Jail refers to being locked up for a time when there is sufficient evidence for a crime but needs investigating. This is usually in a police station.

Being sentenced to prison requires a trial

[Shrillland]

You prefer a system where jail immediately follows arrest, rather than waiting for the nuisance of a trial first, then?

Jail isn't the same as prison.
Jail refers to being locked up for a time when there is sufficient evidence for a crime but needs investigating. This is usually in a police station.

Being sentenced to prison requires a trial

It's usually in a county jail here, which can also serve as a prison for smaller offences.