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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Because the federal government shouldn't have to get involved in most cases.

You did, when you broke :p my post for me you said that there's too much crime preventers already.


Nope. Federal highways cross states. Their construction and maintenance should be uniform. Leaving it to the states will make them inconsistent.

The states that they cross should come to an agreement. Wuth all the inflation already going around, if the federal government does more infrastructure we are banged in the table waiting for the driver to do the job it's real name suggests.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Which adds to the inflation how? I'm not really sure what you rpoint is even if it does add to it, because regardless it's here now, and I don't want too much more of it. We don't need to conserve inflation like the liberals want, anymore than we have to conserve crime rates like the conservatives want.


:eyebrow:

Question: Are you suggesting the budgets should be handled like household budgets?

Absolutely not.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:12 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:Why should it be a state's responsibility to fund federal highways again?

Because the federal government shouldn't have to get involved in most cases.
And who mentioned anything about stopping crime?

You did, when you broke :p my post for me you said that there's too much crime preventers already.


Oh, I get it now, human rights upset you and so you want to suppress them. And why shouldn't the federal government get involved in maintaining it's infrastructure, do you think the magical paving fairies come along and fix roads when we're all asleep?

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:13 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Nope. Federal highways cross states. Their construction and maintenance should be uniform. Leaving it to the states will make them inconsistent.

The states that they cross should come to an agreement. Wuth all the inflation already going around, if the federal government does more infrastructure we are banged in the table waiting for the driver to do the job it's real name suggests.


Maintenance of interstate highways is generally the responsibility of the state department of transportation.

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Postby Luminesa » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:You don't think we have too much inflation?


I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

State departments of transportation in the South run on dreams and low-grade cocaine.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:18 pm

Luminesa wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

State departments of transportation in the South run on dreams and low-grade cocaine.


Fellow Southerner?

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:18 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Because the federal government shouldn't have to get involved in most cases.

You did, when you broke :p my post for me you said that there's too much crime preventers already.


Oh, I get it now, human rights upset you and so you want to suppress them. And why shouldn't the federal government get involved in maintaining it's infrastructure, do you think the magical paving fairies come along and fix roads when we're all asleep?

Murder isn'r a human right, and if you read this https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red ... er-problem it'll prove that gunfriendlyness=shootings. And the federal government should occasionally get involved when they have to, but with all the inferastructure+other inflation Biden did this will hurt more then help if the federal government does it now.
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Postby Concejos Unidos » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:18 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:You don't think we have too much inflation?

Infrastructure spending, if it eases and facilitates economic activity, can reduce inflation. The forgotten part of inflation is that it is not only about demand, but also about supply and facilitating transport may well cause decreases in inflation as suppliers are able to supply more at any given price.

Anyways, there's a possibility that excessive deflationary action will tip us into a full blown recession.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:19 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Oh, I get it now, human rights upset you and so you want to suppress them. And why shouldn't the federal government get involved in maintaining it's infrastructure, do you think the magical paving fairies come along and fix roads when we're all asleep?

Murder isn'r a human right, and if you read this https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red ... er-problem it'll prove that gunfriendlyness=shootings. And the federal government should occasionally get involved when they have to, but with all the inferastructure+other inflation Biden did this will hurt more then help if the federal government does it now.


Oh, you were proposing that the government should confiscate murders? No, you weren't.

So we can't spend money on highways, but we should spend it on violating people's rights. You should be ashamed.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:20 pm

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:23 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Murder isn'r a human right, and if you read this https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red ... er-problem it'll prove that gunfriendlyness=shootings. And the federal government should occasionally get involved when they have to, but with all the inferastructure+other inflation Biden did this will hurt more then help if the federal government does it now.


Oh, you were proposing that the government should confiscate murders? No, you weren't.

So we can't spend money on highways, but we should spend it on violating people's rights. You should be ashamed.

If you read the link you'd relize how funny your statement is. I'llspare you the effort.
In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:26 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Oh, you were proposing that the government should confiscate murders? No, you weren't.

So we can't spend money on highways, but we should spend it on violating people's rights. You should be ashamed.

If you read the link you'd relize how funny your statement is. I'llspare you the effort.
In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.


There's nothing funny going on here.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:34 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:If you read the link you'd relize how funny your statement is. I'llspare you the effort.
In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.


There's nothing funny going on here.

There appears according to thirdway.org to be a trend that the states with less gun control have more murder than states with it. So Yeah I was proposing that the gofernment confiscate the tools for murder.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:36 pm

I'm making so many spelling mistakes I can just tell it's late.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:37 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
There's nothing funny going on here.

There appears according to thirdway.org to be a trend that the states with less gun control have more murder than states with it. So Yeah I was proposing that the gofernment confiscate the tools for murder.


And how are you going to confiscate those without infringing upon people's right to possess them?

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Postby Concejos Unidos » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:40 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:There appears according to thirdway.org to be a trend that the states with less gun control have more murder than states with it. So Yeah I was proposing that the gofernment confiscate the tools for murder.

Immediately obvious confounding factor is the fact that poverty and other social ills happen to be higher in states with more gun culture. Seems like a stretch to peg gun control as the cause for differences in murder rates without mentioning first and foremost poverty and social deprivation as the cause of crime.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:43 pm

Concejos Unidos wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:There appears according to thirdway.org to be a trend that the states with less gun control have more murder than states with it. So Yeah I was proposing that the gofernment confiscate the tools for murder.

Immediately obvious confounding factor is the fact that poverty and other social ills happen to be higher in states with more gun culture. Seems like a stretch to peg gun control as the cause for differences in murder rates without mentioning first and foremost poverty and social deprivation as the cause of crime.


I dare say that's the point.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:48 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:There appears according to thirdway.org to be a trend that the states with less gun control have more murder than states with it. So Yeah I was proposing that the gofernment confiscate the tools for murder.


And how are you going to confiscate those without infringing upon people's right to possess them?


This is the sole thing you care about and are more than willing to sacrifice democracy and the environment to get it which is utterly reprehensible. I wish I could make every gun thats not a pistol or a shotgun possessed by anyone other than the military or police break and could make it legal to take peoples guns in open carry state and break them if someone doesn't want them on their property.

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
And how are you going to confiscate those without infringing upon people's right to possess them?


This is the sole thing you care about and are more than willing to sacrifice democracy and the environment to get it which is utterly reprehensible. I wish I could make every gun thats not a pistol or a shotgun possessed by anyone other than the military or police break and could make it legal to take peoples guns in open carry state and break them if someone doesn't want them on their property.


Do your evil fantasies have a point?

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:51 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This is the sole thing you care about and are more than willing to sacrifice democracy and the environment to get it which is utterly reprehensible. I wish I could make every gun thats not a pistol or a shotgun possessed by anyone other than the military or police break and could make it legal to take peoples guns in open carry state and break them if someone doesn't want them on their property.


Do your evil fantasies have a point?


No because sadly it will never happen but its me telling you Im tired of hearing about your stupid pieces of metal and putting them above anything else. They kill and are unneeded. No other country in the world has mass shootings and gun violence like we do.

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Do your evil fantasies have a point?


No because sadly it will never happen but its me telling you Im tired of hearing about your stupid pieces of metal and putting them above anything else. They kill and are unneeded. No other country in the world has mass shootings and gun violence like we do.


Who cares what you're tired of?

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Postby Celritannia » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Do your evil fantasies have a point?


No because sadly it will never happen but its me telling you Im tired of hearing about your stupid pieces of metal and putting them above anything else. They kill and are unneeded. No other country in the world has mass shootings and gun violence like we do.


Celritannia wrote:It's not the firearms that are the problem. The 2nd amendment is a part of the US culture and is seen as the epitome of freedom in that respect.

The problem when it comes to firearms and violence in the US is the lack of strong social, healthcare, and welfare policies.

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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:01 pm

Celritannia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No because sadly it will never happen but its me telling you Im tired of hearing about your stupid pieces of metal and putting them above anything else. They kill and are unneeded. No other country in the world has mass shootings and gun violence like we do.


Celritannia wrote:It's not the firearms that are the problem. The 2nd amendment is a part of the US culture and is seen as the epitome of freedom in that respect.

The problem when it comes to firearms and violence in the US is the lack of strong social, healthcare, and welfare policies.


It's the same old same old with people, the desire to blame social ills on some other group that they dislike will always be present.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:01 pm

Luminesa wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

State departments of transportation in the South run on dreams and low-grade cocaine.

The Dakotas are doing fine on meth, bison traffic jams and 120 mph speed demons non-withstanding. Why don’t they just switch drugs instead of doing all this big gubbermint commienism stuff?

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:12 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Celritannia wrote:


It's the same old same old with people, the desire to blame social ills on some other group that they dislike will always be present.

So why are the "it is not guns, it is lack of healthcare" people so vehemently against improving healthcare?
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