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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:49 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Your also forgetting times have changed. political coalitions have shifted. In 1976 many rural areas still voted Republican. Carter also won many southern states.

My point is, if he were interested in running, and he somehow won the primaries, he would attract a lot of voters. As I said, I'd vote for him over most (but not all) republicans, and since I am a republican that ceartainly has to mean something.


I very much doubt he would win the primary.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:02 pm

Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:08 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.

Eh, that and immigration are some of the few big problems I have with Biden’s platform. It wouldn’t meaningfully reduce crime or domestic terrorism, and the wing nuts that want no gun regulations are more angrier than the wing nuts who want to ban all guns.

Edit: I think there’s a gun control thread still around, but I honestly can’t remember the last time I saw it crop up.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:16 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.

Eh, that and immigration are some of the few big problems I have with Biden’s platform. It wouldn’t meaningfully reduce crime or domestic terrorism, and the wing nuts that want no gun regulations are more angrier than the wing nuts who want to ban all guns.

Yup, but since I do want major gun regulation, but don't think banning all guns would work (curse you black market!) this bill would be wonderful for me if it passes.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:41 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.


Ideally, the supreme court would tell him to fuck off no matter how much support he managed to blackmail.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.

We need more infrastructure bills and social programs. I think that should be prioritized over gun policy.
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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:21 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.


Ideally, the supreme court would tell him to fuck off no matter how much support he managed to blackmail.

The supreme court has been on a tear with Gun Laws recently.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:23 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Anyhow, remember that buyback Biden reopened discussion on? He seems to have gone silent on it again, the latest article I can find about it is from late november https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/b ... eapons-ban. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can get through as is, but I wish he were at least negotiating about it to get some sort of buyback.

We need more infrastructure bills and social programs. I think that should be prioritized over gun policy.

Are you kidding? We have too much inflation as it is!
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:28 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:We need more infrastructure bills and social programs. I think that should be prioritized over gun policy.

Are you kidding? We have too much inflation gun control as it is!


FTFY

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:36 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Are you kidding? We have too much inflation gun control as it is!


FTFY

You don't think we have too much inflation?
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:44 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
FTFY

You don't think we have too much inflation?


I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:46 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
FTFY

You don't think we have too much inflation?


We do. However at the same time we cannot forget about critical infrastructure and programs that can really help people.

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:52 pm

American Legionaries wrote:I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

Which should be the state's responsibility to address. It certainly shouldn't get credence over stopping crime.
The Jamesian Republic wrote:We do. However at the same time we cannot forget about critical infrastructure and programs that can really help people.

Help people by causing more inflation, so that now they may be able to cross the bridge but they can't afford to buy the groceries they're crossing it for... That doesn't seem like a very good plan to help them.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:53 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

Which should be the state's responsibility to address. It certainly shouldn't get credence over stopping crime.
The Jamesian Republic wrote:We do. However at the same time we cannot forget about critical infrastructure and programs that can really help people.

Help people by causing more inflation, so that now they may be able to cross the bridge but they can't afford to buy the groceries they're crossing it for... That doesn't seem like a very good plan to help them.


Why should it be a state's responsibility to fund federal highways again?

And who mentioned anything about stopping crime?

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:54 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:I think we have failing bridges and highways made out of potholes.

Which should be the state's responsibility to address. It certainly shouldn't get credence over stopping crime.
The Jamesian Republic wrote:We do. However at the same time we cannot forget about critical infrastructure and programs that can really help people.

Help people by causing more inflation, so that now they may be able to cross the bridge but they can't afford to buy the groceries they're crossing it for... That doesn't seem like a very good plan to help them.


We have to do something while cutting inflation.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:54 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Are you kidding? We have too much inflation gun control as it is!


FTFY


Listening to people talk these days? Sometimes I think it doesn't go far enough.

A few too many angry wack jobs out there.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:58 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:We need more infrastructure bills and social programs. I think that should be prioritized over gun policy.

Are you kidding? We have too much inflation as it is!

the inflation is there because the last time the american infrastructure was modernised was the 1960's

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:01 pm

American Legionaries wrote:Why should it be a state's responsibility to fund federal highways again?

Because the federal government shouldn't have to get involved in most cases.
And who mentioned anything about stopping crime?

You did, when you broke :p my post for me you said that there's too much crime preventers already.
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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:02 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Which should be the state's responsibility to address. It certainly shouldn't get credence over stopping crime.

Help people by causing more inflation, so that now they may be able to cross the bridge but they can't afford to buy the groceries they're crossing it for... That doesn't seem like a very good plan to help them.


We have to do something while cutting inflation.

Like adding to it?
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:04 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
We have to do something while cutting inflation.

Like adding to it?


Not exactly. Raising taxes to the necessary levels for infrastructure improvement will put hard limits on money supply, causing inflation to go down.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:04 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
We have to do something while cutting inflation.

Like adding to it?


No.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:Why should it be a state's responsibility to fund federal highways again?

Because the federal government shouldn't have to get involved in most cases.
And who mentioned anything about stopping crime?

You did, when you broke :p my post for me you said that there's too much crime preventers already.


Nope. Federal highways cross states. Their construction and maintenance should be uniform. Leaving it to the states will make them inconsistent.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Like adding to it?


Not exactly. Raising taxes to the necessary levels for infrastructure improvement will put hard limits on money supply, causing inflation to go down.


This^

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Postby Yerachmeal » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:05 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:Are you kidding? We have too much inflation as it is!

the inflation is there because the last time the american infrastructure was modernised was the 1960's

Which adds to the inflation how? I'm not really sure what you rpoint is even if it does add to it, because regardless it's here now, and I don't want too much more of it. We don't need to conserve inflation like the liberals want, anymore than we have to conserve crime rates like the conservatives want.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:07 pm

Yerachmeal wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:the inflation is there because the last time the american infrastructure was modernised was the 1960's

Which adds to the inflation how? I'm not really sure what you rpoint is even if it does add to it, because regardless it's here now, and I don't want too much more of it. We don't need to conserve inflation like the liberals want, anymore than we have to conserve crime rates like the conservatives want.


:eyebrow:

Question: Are you suggesting the budgets should be handled like household budgets?
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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