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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Fifth Jellian Republic
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:53 am

I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:53 am

Risottia wrote:Alter the title to "habemus vocem", please. It needs the accusative case.


We have a voice?

shouldn’t it be

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Postby Myrensis » Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:12 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Those same 200+ who voted for him despite it being clear that he was effectively ceding control of the chamber to the Freedom Caucus?

No, the 200+ democrats.


Even setting aside the fact that McCarthy has spent years burning bridges with Democrats as a Trump toady, why would they want to help him anyway? In the event of an inevitable leadership challenge by the Freedom Caucus the minute he stepped out of line, they'd be far better off approaching the...well I won't say 'moderate' because they don't exist, but the marginally less stupid and/or insane Republicans and offering a deal to support one of them over helping McCarthy hold on to the gavel when it's a given he will stab them in the back the minute he thinks he can get away with it.

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Postby Haganham » Sat Jan 07, 2023 4:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Haganham wrote:They promised the funding was to go after billionaire tax evasion, and then immediately started using it to target people's side hustles.


So they didn’t go after wealthy people? Strange. I knew a guy in the investigations group and he said their favorite people were wealthy people.

Still cutting down taxes is not going to jumpstart the economy. Not where 87K investigators are concerned. Then again it is the party which likes to spout the platitudes of the free market and trickle down.

Oh well time will tell I guess.

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Nope, they passed a rule saying sites like ebay, esty and airbnb have to report people who make more then $700, and you need to report this income,

I'm sure the people doing the investigations love going after the wealthy, but that's not what the resources are for. They're for crushing side gigs with compliance costs to push people back into the job market.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:03 am

A school shooting by a six year-old. You must be so proud.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:25 am

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.


I guess it’s interesting to see weather he values the help from democrats more than the inevitable alienation from republicans.

Though really, McCarthy would need to make one heck of a turn for the democrats to give much support, and by then, the Republican alienation would be immense.
During the speaker vote, McCarthy and the democrats would mutually benefit to some degree by helping each other. I think that is not as much the case now that he is in. Although I suppose the democrats may be afraid of him being outright replaced by another, more extreme right speaker.

I think more likely than not, McCarthy will veer right, not left, because there is a gap in the middle, and as it stands if he can satisfy the right of his party, he can maintain power without risky U-turns.
Besides, he might be able to sacrifice 20 far right house members, but the same cannot be said for a portion of the Republican base.


The "gap in the middle" does not actually exist. Democrats and Republicans overlap. This whole obsession with there having to be a dichotomy based on party lines, always excluding about half the population, instead of focussing on issues that may well be supported by an overwhelming majority regardless of party is severely hurting the USA.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:40 am

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.

"Trump is done" the six-year void echoed, on and on, into eternity.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:43 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.

"Trump is done" the six-year void echoed, on and on, into eternity.

Honestly, the person Trump probably is - if only because he will probably die somewhere this decade. He is after all old and unhealthy.
The concept Trump, which is what people actually worshipped (note how MAGA supporters never ever listened to one of his speeches, just to soundbites given to them by others) however will probably endure for decades to come.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:54 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Bloody hell, just say the name you are voting for and be done with it. Stop giving short speeches.

At least they aren't passing bills right now.

Thank Christ the democrats have the senate. Can you just feature the shit show they would send Biden’s way if they could? At least Chuck can keep most of it from ever seeing the light of day. Let the republicans pass anything they want to. Let them manufacture victory after a victory and tell them, “sorry, not bringing it to vote”. Mitch did it for four years.
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Postby Eahland » Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:55 am

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.

Until and unless he's actually convicted for his insurrection, which I have no faith will ever happen, Trump is not legally barred from office. Disturbingly, I think his shitty digital trading cards did more damage to his political capital than his attempting a coup against the United States government in an effort to illegally remain in power.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:00 am

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.

Man, I hope a Democrat steps up real fucking soon. They need another Obama. Someone young and likeable. DeSantis is exactly that to the republicans. If Desantis is the man, they cannot in their right minds try to run Biden against him. DeSantis would easily carry 40 states in that election.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:04 am

Eahland wrote:
Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:I think the focus should be on desantis, not trump. Because of his attempted coup, trump cannot legally hold office. Trump is done. But desantis is even more dangerous than trump. He could pull off what trump failed to do.

Until and unless he's actually convicted for his insurrection, which I have no faith will ever happen, Trump is not legally barred from office. Disturbingly, I think his shitty digital trading cards did more damage to his political capital than his attempting a coup against the United States government in an effort to illegally remain in power.

Trump will never face a judge for one simple reason: public order. They stormed the capitol just to try and stop a procedural vote. Name a prison that could repel that, and this time they are likely coming armed with more than flagpoles and fire extinguishers.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:10 am

So will that Puerto Rico bill passed last month advance to the Senate during the 118th Congress?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:11 am

Well this sucks. I was hoping for a record breaking 140 tries. Well I guess eventually a participation trophy was going to be handed out and now stuck with a retard shitbrick.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:19 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well this sucks. I was hoping for a record breaking 140 tries. Well I guess eventually a participation trophy was going to be handed out and now stuck with a retard shitbrick.

For the next two years they are going to vote to impeach Biden, go after Hunter’s laptop, and crucify Faucci. The Senate isn’t going to pass any of the bullshit they try and do anyway. It is basically a two year lame duck Congress.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:52 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:A school shooting by a six year-old. You must be so proud.


What?

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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:54 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:A school shooting by a six year-old. You must be so proud.


What?

Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:56 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Eahland wrote:Until and unless he's actually convicted for his insurrection, which I have no faith will ever happen, Trump is not legally barred from office. Disturbingly, I think his shitty digital trading cards did more damage to his political capital than his attempting a coup against the United States government in an effort to illegally remain in power.

Trump will never face a judge for one simple reason: public order. They stormed the capitol just to try and stop a procedural vote. Name a prison that could repel that, and this time they are likely coming armed with more than flagpoles and fire extinguishers.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:56 am

-Astoria- wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
What?

Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”


Yikes.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:06 am

-Astoria- wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
What?

Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”

That is so sad I hope the teacher survives and the boy and class get therapy.
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:15 am

Neutraligon wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”

That is so sad I hope the teacher survives and the boy and class get therapy.

They won’t.

You think the teacher can afford to survive?!
And no-one’s getting therapy for free because apparently that’s “communism”.
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Postby Southern Republic of Dixie » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:18 am

-Astoria- wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
What?

Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”

Who the hell gave the kid a gun!?
That's child endangerment!
I'm all for guns but not in the way that children have them at school.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:22 am

Neutraligon wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Police: 6-year-old shoots teacher in Virginia classroom
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A 6-year-old student shot and wounded a teacher at his school in Virginia during an altercation inside a first-grade classroom Friday, police and school officials in the city of Newport News said.

Experts said a school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, although not unheard of, while Virginia law limits the ways in which a child that age can be punished for such a crime.

No students were injured in the shooting at Richneck Elementary School, police said. The teacher — a woman in her 30s — suffered life-threatening injuries. Her condition had improved somewhat by late afternoon, Newport News Police Chief Steve Drew said.

“We did not have a situation where someone was going around the school shooting,” Drew told reporters, later adding that the gunshot was not an accident.

Drew said the student and teacher had known each other in a classroom setting.

He said the boy had a handgun in the classroom, and investigators were trying to figure out where he obtained it. The police chief did not provide further details about the shooting, the altercation or what happened inside the school.

Joselin Glover, whose son is in fourth grade, told The Virginian-Pilot newspaper she got a text from the school stating that one person was shot and another was in custody.

“My heart stopped,” she said. “I was freaking out, very nervous. Just wondering if that one person was my son.”

Carlos, her 9-year-old, was at recess. But he said he and his classmates were soon holed up in the back of a classroom.

“Most of the whole class was crying,” Carlos told the newspaper.

Parents and students were reunited at a gymnasium door, Newport News Public Schools said via Facebook.

The police chief did not specifically address questions about whether authorities were in touch with the boy’s parents, but said members of the police department were handling that investigation.

“We have been in contact with our commonwealth’s attorney (local prosecutor) and some other entities to help us best get services to this young man,” Drew said.

Newport News is a city of about 185,000 people in southeastern Virginia known for its shipyard, which builds the nation’s aircraft carriers and other U.S. Navy vessels.

Richneck has about 550 students who are in kindergarten through fifth grade, according to the Virginia Department of Education’s website. School officials have already said that there will be no classes at the school on Monday.

“Today our students got a lesson in gun violence,” said George Parker III, Newport News schools superintendent, “and what guns can do to disrupt, not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Virginia law does not allow 6-year-olds to be tried as adults.

In addition, a 6-year-old is too young to be committed to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice if found guilty.

A juvenile judge would have authority, though, to revoke a parent’s custody and place a child under the purview of the Department of Social Services.

A school shooting involving a 6-year-old is extremely rare, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Boston’s Northeastern University.

Fox told The Associated Press Friday evening that he could think of one previous incident involving a child that age.

In 2000, a 6-year-old boy fired a bullet from a .32-caliber gun inside Buell Elementary near Flint, Michigan, 60 miles (96 kilometers) from Detroit, striking 6-year-old Kayla Rolland in the neck, according to an AP article from the time. She died a half-hour later.

Fox analyzed school shooting data sets going back to 1970 from the Center for Homeland Defense and Security, which is located at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He said the data listed school shootings involving children ages 7, 8, 9 and older, but not 6-year-olds.

Another factor that stands out about the Virginia shooting is that it occurred in a classroom, Fox said. Many occur outside a school building where students are unsupervised.

From 2010 through 2021, there were more than 800 school-related shootings in K-12 schools that involved 1,149 victims. Thirty percent of those occurred in the school building, said Fox, who published the 2010 book, “Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College.”

“There are students who killed teachers, more typically high school students,” Fox said. “I don’t know of other cases where a 6-year-old shot a teacher.”

That is so sad I hope the teacher survives and the boy and class get therapy.

Therapy? You know there is a prosecutor out their just chomping at the bit to prosecute this kid. If what’s his face in Michigan is any example, I suspect the parents will be doing some serious time over this….
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Postby New Georgia and the North Pacific » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:25 am

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Eahland wrote:Until and unless he's actually convicted for his insurrection, which I have no faith will ever happen, Trump is not legally barred from office. Disturbingly, I think his shitty digital trading cards did more damage to his political capital than his attempting a coup against the United States government in an effort to illegally remain in power.

Trump will never face a judge for one simple reason: public order. They stormed the capitol just to try and stop a procedural vote. Name a prison that could repel that, and this time they are likely coming armed with more than flagpoles and fire extinguishers.

Send him to Afghanistan as a diplomat.
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According to viewtopic.php?f=23&t=363018 somewhere around 5-7, because civilian tech is hyper-advanced, military, not so much. About 4.8 if we include project Hercules, which created superhumans.

Population: 35 billion (cuz moon colony cool)

Founder of the ODP, and Foreign Lead.

FT: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new ... id=1816164

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new ... id=1816323

F7 is where I use FT Canon


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Postby Eahland » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:30 am

My sister's a teacher in Virginia — fortunately not in Newport News. Her school has been having major, major problems with student behavior since the return to in-person schooling, with kids making death threats against teachers and other students and engaging in conspiracies in an effort to get teachers they've taken a dislike to fired. I suspect Youngkin and other Republicans' attacks on educators are at least partially responsible.
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