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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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McCarthy’s Sad Racist Rant!

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:14 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:That whole speech I was like, "Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?"
Yup.
Also, I'm only counting 12 people in that boat, not to mention, how does the person rowing the boat look like a woman? it's a young man of the time, possibly 16.
But they white, and “hoards” are brown! (We know which one McCarthy likes...)

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:31 am

6-Year-Old Shoots Teacher at Virginia Elementary School, Police Say (The New York Times)
A teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News has “life-threatening injuries” after being shot by one of her students, the authorities said.
A 6-year-old first-grader at an elementary school in Newport News, Va., shot a teacher on Friday afternoon during an altercation in a classroom, the authorities said, leaving her with “life-threatening” injuries and renewing calls for greater gun restrictions.

The boy, who shot the teacher once with a handgun at about 2 p.m., was in police custody on Friday evening, Steve Drew, the chief of the Newport News Police Department, said at a news conference. He added that the teacher, a woman in her 30s, was taken to a local hospital and that her condition had slightly improved by late Friday afternoon.

The superintendent of Newport News Public Schools, Dr. George Parker, said at the news conference that “we need to keep guns out of the hands of our young people.”

Photos and video taken immediately after the shooting at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News on Friday showed the chaos that had ensued as officers swarmed the school’s brick building: children appeared afraid and confused, parents stood beside crime scene tape and dozens of officers patrolled the area.

Trannisha Brown, whose 11-year-old son, Carter Jackson, is a fifth-grader at Richneck, said in an interview that shortly after the shooting, she received a frightening call from her son.

Carter, she said, sheltered on the floor of his classroom with his friends after they heard gunfire.

“It shook me up hearing those kids crying and going frantic,” said Ms. Brown, 32. “All they knew was that there was a shooter in the school and they didn’t know where the shooter was.”

She stayed on the phone with Carter, trying to comfort him. “You are going to be all right,” she recalled telling him.

At the news conference, Chief Drew said that school officials had worked quickly to bring all of the students and teachers to the school’s gymnasium, and that the authorities had been in touch with lawyers to determine how to best proceed.

“I cannot control access to weapons,” Dr. Parker said. “My teachers cannot control access to weapons.” He added, “Today our students got a lesson in gun violence and what guns can do to disrupt not only an educational environment, but also a family, a community.”

Dr. Parker said school would be closed on Monday “as we work on the mental health of our staff and our students.”

The shooting in Newport News, a city of more than 180,000 people, about 70 miles southeast of Richmond. Va., stunned officials as they began to investigate what had gone wrong inside the school.

“I’m in shock, and I’m in awe, and I’m disheartened,” Dr. Parker said.

The mayor of Newport News, Phillip Jones, said at a news conference that while the shooting was “still raw” the city was taking steps to ensure that something similar did not happen again.

Curtis Bethany, a councilman for the city, said Newport News was dealing with “unchartered” territory. “I’ve never heard of a 6-year-old going to school with a loaded gun.”

Incidents at schools involving a shooter so young are exceptionally rare.

David Riedman, who founded the K-12 School Shooting Database after the mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Fla., in 2018, has compiled data on every school shooting — anytime a firearm has been discharged on school property — dating back to 1970. He found 16 cases involving shooters under the age of 10.

Three of them involved 6-year-old children. Two of those were ruled accidental shootings: One in 2011 at an elementary school in Houston in which a student had a gun that went off, injuring three people; and another in Mississippi in 2021, when a first-grader shot a fellow student with a gun he had brought to school and was playing with. In the third case, which attracted national attention, a 6-year-old boy shot and killed a young girl as the teacher was lining up students in a hallway.

According to Mr. Riedman’s research, there has been only one shooting at a school that involved someone under 6 years old: a kindergartner, aged 5, shot a gun in the cafeteria of his school in Memphis, Tenn., in 2013. No one was injured.

The violent episode in Newport News underscored the persistent threat of gun violence at schools across the country. In May, a mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, left 19 children and two teachers dead. In September, another school shooting in Oakland, Calif., left six injured.

The president of the Virginia Education Association, Dr. James J. Fedderman, said in a statement that he was “saddened that we must respond to another school shooting here in Virginia.”

Becky Pringle, the president of the National Education Association, said: “We send all of our hopes for a full recovery to the educator injured in yet another horrific act of gun violence in our schools. But today we are again discussing the carnage of another school shooting. This will not stop until elected leaders take consequential action and stand up to the gun lobby to prevent gun violence in our communities and school.”

Dr. Parker said that while district schools have “metal detection capability,” the schools do not make children walk through a metal detector every day.

“If we have a perceived threat, or an issue, we administer random metal detections on those days,” he said.

Still, he emphasized that guns appear on campus because of “access in the community.”

“This is not a Newport News problem,” he said. “It’s a bigger and broader problem than what we’re seeing today.”
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Postby Haganham » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:27 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Repeal the funding of 87000 IRS agents? Uhm why?

Serious question. Let’s not spout the usual taxes are theft stuff.

They promised the funding was to go after billionaire tax evasion, and then immediately started using it to target people's side hustles.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:30 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: While I wanted Conservative Republican Nationalists like, Black African American Byron Donalds, or Euro American Andy Biggs to be the Republican Speaker Leader of the House of Reprentatives, I am ok with Euro American Kevin McCarthy as Reublican Speaker Leader of the House of Representatives, and I strongly support him and congratulate him, Congratulations Republican Speaker Leader of the House, Kevin McCarthy, like Republican President Trump of the USA strongly supports him.

Before Kevin McCarthy became our Republican Leader of the House, he stated the first thing we are going to do on day one is, Is Repeal the 87,000 IRS Agents Passed by the Previous Leftist Democrat Congress and secure our Borders against Biden's Open Borders Illegal immigration Policies.

You’ve got to secure this border, the millions of people coming across, the fentanyl that’s killing our children. We need to work on our economy. That means making us energy-independent. We need to hold this government accountable. Where’s the origin of COVID began? Find out what this Biden family had done in the process. Make sure the FBI is not going after Americans but actually going after crime. We’ve got so much work behind us, and we need to start on the very first day.”

Another reason why the Democrats are mad at me, I think – government should be here to help you, not to go after you, then we’re going to secure our border.

These are a few of the reported deals Kevin McCarthy made, offered or negotiated with the The Republican House Freedom Caucus.
The Republican House Freedom Caucus
01 - A vote on term limits for members.
02 - More seats for Freedom Caucus members on the powerful House Rules Committee.
03 - Allowing a single member to force a vote on ousting the speaker.
04 - Endorse conservatives for committee gavels.

GMS.

The Link:
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/12 ... rs-agents/

Fox News Bill Melugin - Many Video and Twitter Links Provided:
https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/bill-melugin

Texas border chaos: illegal migrant steals road roller, suspected smugglers lead police on high-speed chase, the suspected illegal immigrant has not been apprehended, but I see at least 2 illegals apprehended on this link:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318205801112

Suspected Smugglers:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-border ... peed-chase


Congratulations on being a mark. Now the conservatives know they can pass whatever they want as long as they rant enough about the scary brown people coming over the border to steal your precious bodily fluids to keep you distracted from it.
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: While I wanted Conservative Republican Nationalists like, Black African American Byron Donalds, or Euro American Andy Biggs to be the Republican Speaker Leader of the House of Reprentatives, I am ok with Euro American Kevin McCarthy as Reublican Speaker Leader of the House of Representatives, and I strongly support him and congratulate him, Congratulations Republican Speaker Leader of the House, Kevin McCarthy, like Republican President Trump of the USA strongly supports him.

Before Kevin McCarthy became our Republican Leader of the House, he stated the first thing we are going to do on day one is, Is Repeal the 87,000 IRS Agents Passed by the Previous Leftist Democrat Congress and secure our Borders against Biden's Open Borders Illegal immigration Policies.

You’ve got to secure this border, the millions of people coming across, the fentanyl that’s killing our children. We need to work on our economy. That means making us energy-independent. We need to hold this government accountable. Where’s the origin of COVID began? Find out what this Biden family had done in the process. Make sure the FBI is not going after Americans but actually going after crime. We’ve got so much work behind us, and we need to start on the very first day.”

Another reason why the Democrats are mad at me, I think – government should be here to help you, not to go after you, then we’re going to secure our border.

These are a few of the reported deals Kevin McCarthy made, offered or negotiated with the The Republican House Freedom Caucus.
The Republican House Freedom Caucus
01 - A vote on term limits for members.
02 - More seats for Freedom Caucus members on the powerful House Rules Committee.
03 - Allowing a single member to force a vote on ousting the speaker.
04 - Endorse conservatives for committee gavels.

GMS.

The Link:
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/12 ... rs-agents/

Fox News Bill Melugin - Many Video and Twitter Links Provided:
https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/bill-melugin

Texas border chaos: illegal migrant steals road roller, suspected smugglers lead police on high-speed chase, the suspected illegal immigrant has not been apprehended, but I see at least 2 illegals apprehended on this link:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318205801112

Suspected Smugglers:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-border ... peed-chase


Congratulations on being a mark. Now the conservatives know they can pass whatever they want as long as they rant enough about the scary brown people coming over the border to steal your precious bodily fluids to keep you distracted from it.

GMS: I thank you and we thank you, just as we expected, we are not surprised and we are not shocked by your comments. Make America Great Again - MAGA.
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I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:45 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Congratulations on being a mark. Now the conservatives know they can pass whatever they want as long as they rant enough about the scary brown people coming over the border to steal your precious bodily fluids to keep you distracted from it.

GMS: I thank you and we thank you, just as we expected, we are not surprised and we are not shocked at your comments. Make America Great Again - MAGA.


That wasn’t a compliment. It’s me explaining why immigration will never actually be “fixed” by the conservative parties. Because it’s a convenient distraction to keep people from questioning their other efforts.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: I thank you and we thank you, just as we expected, we are not surprised and we are not shocked at your comments. Make America Great Again - MAGA.


That wasn’t a compliment. It’s me explaining why immigration will never actually be “fixed” by the conservative parties. Because it’s a convenient distraction to keep people from questioning their other efforts.

Then again, people said the same thing about banning abortion.
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: I thank you and we thank you, just as we expected, we are not surprised and we are not shocked at your comments. Make America Great Again - MAGA.


That wasn’t a compliment. It’s me explaining why immigration will never actually be “fixed” by the conservative parties. Because it’s a convenient distraction to keep people from questioning their other efforts.

Your first post is convincing, your second post is not.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:49 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That wasn’t a compliment. It’s me explaining why immigration will never actually be “fixed” by the conservative parties. Because it’s a convenient distraction to keep people from questioning their other efforts.

Your first post is convincing, your second post is not.


So you’ve not been paying attention to all the ways anti-immigration rhetoric picks up whenever conservative parties get criticised.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:54 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Your first post is convincing, your second post is not.


So you’ve not been paying attention to all the ways anti-immigration rhetoric picks up whenever conservative parties get criticised.

I am not surprised by it and we are not surprised by it, it comes from the Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, Progressives, Politicians, VIPs, Real Leftists as Therm calls them, and the Leftists, Fake News Media, as we expected. Make And Keep America Great Again, MAGA.
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:58 am

The results essentially mean that McCarthy will have a maga noose around his neck at all times.
So I think he well veer sharp right to keep in good favor with them
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The nations stats do not necessarily reflect my views, (I made a few mistakes)
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I reserve the right not to reply to walls of text

I always try to have an open mind

My mistake was thinking that most people are reasonable and care about good faith debate. (Though it might just be reflective of nation states, where people come to argue.) Either way, this is not the place for me.
Goodbye nation states.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:02 am

Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:The results essentially mean that McCarthy will have a maga noose around his neck at all times.
So I think he well veer sharp right to keep in good favor with them


Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:09 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:The results essentially mean that McCarthy will have a maga noose around his neck at all times.
So I think he well veer sharp right to keep in good favor with them


Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.

After that fight, you go to be kidding.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:10 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:The results essentially mean that McCarthy will have a maga noose around his neck at all times.
So I think he well veer sharp right to keep in good favor with them


Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.


I guess it’s interesting to see weather he values the help from democrats more than the inevitable alienation from republicans.

Though really, McCarthy would need to make one heck of a turn for the democrats to give much support, and by then, the Republican alienation would be immense.
During the speaker vote, McCarthy and the democrats would mutually benefit to some degree by helping each other. I think that is not as much the case now that he is in. Although I suppose the democrats may be afraid of him being outright replaced by another, more extreme right speaker.

I think more likely than not, McCarthy will veer right, not left, because there is a gap in the middle, and as it stands if he can satisfy the right of his party, he can maintain power without risky U-turns.
Besides, he might be able to sacrifice 20 far right house members, but the same cannot be said for a portion of the Republican base.
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The latest Jellian Republic
The nations stats do not necessarily reflect my views, (I made a few mistakes)
“Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel”
I reserve the right not to reply to walls of text

I always try to have an open mind

My mistake was thinking that most people are reasonable and care about good faith debate. (Though it might just be reflective of nation states, where people come to argue.) Either way, this is not the place for me.
Goodbye nation states.

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Postby Myrensis » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:12 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Fifth Jellian Republic wrote:The results essentially mean that McCarthy will have a maga noose around his neck at all times.
So I think he well veer sharp right to keep in good favor with them


Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.


Those same 200+ who voted for him despite it being clear that he was effectively ceding control of the chamber to the Freedom Caucus? Why would he? They've made it clear they're not going to rock the boat no matter what, so it makes more sense to focus on the agitators.

Probably best to start prepping for a US default in September, since McCarthy will consider it a small price to pay to still be called Mr. Speaker, and the best we can hope for from the "moderates" is going on CNN and mumbling about how disappointed they are.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:25 am

Haganham wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Repeal the funding of 87000 IRS agents? Uhm why?

Serious question. Let’s not spout the usual taxes are theft stuff.

They promised the funding was to go after billionaire tax evasion, and then immediately started using it to target people's side hustles.


So they didn’t go after wealthy people? Strange. I knew a guy in the investigations group and he said their favorite people were wealthy people.

Still cutting down taxes is not going to jumpstart the economy. Not where 87K investigators are concerned. Then again it is the party which likes to spout the platitudes of the free market and trickle down.

Oh well time will tell I guess.
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Haganham wrote:They promised the funding was to go after billionaire tax evasion, and then immediately started using it to target people's side hustles.


So they didn’t go after wealthy people? Strange. I knew a guy in the investigations group and he said their favorite people were wealthy people.

Still cutting down taxes is not going to jumpstart the economy. Not where 87K investigators are concerned. Then again it is the party which likes to spout the platitudes of the free market and trickle down.

Oh well time will tell I guess.


I thought many of the new IRS agents are to help with logistics, and not as investigators?
Much of the IRS works on paper and duck tape, so it’s not just an expansion but also a modernization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... rn-delays/
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The latest Jellian Republic
The nations stats do not necessarily reflect my views, (I made a few mistakes)
“Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel”
I reserve the right not to reply to walls of text

I always try to have an open mind

My mistake was thinking that most people are reasonable and care about good faith debate. (Though it might just be reflective of nation states, where people come to argue.) Either way, this is not the place for me.
Goodbye nation states.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:37 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That wasn’t a compliment. It’s me explaining why immigration will never actually be “fixed” by the conservative parties. Because it’s a convenient distraction to keep people from questioning their other efforts.

Then again, people said the same thing about banning abortion.


Well? It did contribute to the red wave turning into the red trickle.

I remember one of the border leaders ( forget his name) he said the thing that would make a better difference would be 75 ( or what is in the 100s) more judges to review asylum claims. It didn’t happen.

It will be the wall talk. Probably have friends who build that stuff. Who knows. Still the boogeyman of the brown hordes of ms13 coming to kill then rape people and of course give fentanyl to all kiddies.

What efforts are really going to make a difference?

Punishing companies for sending work to China? At best a slap on the hand and naughty words said.

Tax cuts for the wealthy class and corporations? Sure. They will keep most of it and create jobs overseas.

I am sure we will see anemic cuts for the lower classes and people will sing the praise. I suspect like before they will have time limits.

Energy independence? Drill baby drill. Won’t do much.

High interest rates? A disturbing comment I have read a couple times? The price of food, gas and interest….it’s the new normal.

I think what this group will be doing for a great deal of the effort? Investigating Hunter Biden. It will be like Benghazi and have oh I will pick 52 investigations which will come up with nothing.

Oh forgot regulations. They will cancel all they can good or bad because you know the free market would never do anything unethical.

Oh well. SOSDP
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:39 am

Myrensis wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Would it not be much safer if he veered left instead? The potential support of 200+ voters seems more valuable than the support of 20 with questionable morals.


Those same 200+ who voted for him despite it being clear that he was effectively ceding control of the chamber to the Freedom Caucus?

No, the 200+ democrats.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:39 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Then again, people said the same thing about banning abortion.


Well? It did contribute to the red wave turning into the red trickle.


Tbh I would actually attribute much more of that to internal GOP infighting. Trump is becoming a more divisive figure by the day and his candidates crashed and burned hard, it still would have been a pretty decent red wave if he didn't push a bunch of clowns who lost.
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:41 am

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Well? It did contribute to the red wave turning into the red trickle.


Tbh I would actually attribute much more of that to internal GOP infighting. Trump is becoming a more divisive figure by the day and his candidates crashed and burned hard, it still would have been a pretty decent red wave if he didn't push a bunch of clowns who lost.


The (even worse) policies and joke candidates are inseparable.
Both came from the MAGA world. Which comes from republicans caring only about power.
And that won’t change.

Republicans said “this new bill which will add all investigators will go after you”
Democrats said “no, they will go after big business”
Republicans made the debate about what all these investigators” will do, tricking everyone into accepting that that’s what the bill even does…
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:41 am

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So they didn’t go after wealthy people? Strange. I knew a guy in the investigations group and he said their favorite people were wealthy people.

Still cutting down taxes is not going to jumpstart the economy. Not where 87K investigators are concerned. Then again it is the party which likes to spout the platitudes of the free market and trickle down.

Oh well time will tell I guess.


I thought many of the new IRS agents are to help with logistics, and not as investigators?
Much of the IRS works on paper and duck tape, so it’s not just an expansion but also a modernization.

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Oh I am not positive on that. Kind of why I asked the question.

Still I doubt they are as bad as implied. I remember going to a security conference. Mind you it was a couple decades ago. I was walking with the main security person of time. She spoke about how the IRS could do away with returns. They could review your income, savings, banks, loans, charge cards, etc. and send you the bill for what is owed.

She sounded like this would be an awesome thing.
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So you’ve not been paying attention to all the ways anti-immigration rhetoric picks up whenever conservative parties get criticised.

I am not surprised by it and we are not surprised by it, it comes from the Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, Progressives, Politicians, VIPs, Real Leftists as Therm calls them, and the Leftists, Fake News Media, as we expected. Make And Keep America Great Again, MAGA.


Yup, typical mark behaviour. Keep deluding yourself that the conservatives actually care about immigration as anything other than a distraction from criticism.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Well? It did contribute to the red wave turning into the red trickle.


Tbh I would actually attribute much more of that to internal GOP infighting. Trump is becoming a more divisive figure by the day and his candidates crashed and burned hard, it still would have been a pretty decent red wave if he didn't push a bunch of clowns who lost.


Oh it’s not simply just one reason….well maybe being blinded by arrogance?

The idiots did help…..probably more then abortion. As mentioned it contributed as I think more conservative women changed their vote or didn’t bother. Granted this was an idea from interactions with my redneck relatives so anecdotal.

Anyway. What ever it takes to get trump flushed from the internal body of the GOP is a good thing.
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Alter the title to "habemus vocem", please. It needs the accusative case.
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