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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:14 pm

This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:15 pm

Perikuresu wrote:McCarthy got 216 votes??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIN_qULL14
(Link is to C-Span livestreaming of congress)

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Postby Heloin » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:These four who didn’t vote for McCarthy are utter and complete embarrassments and I do not blame other members for their anger. That does not make near altercation ok.

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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:15 pm

McCarthy got 216 votes, the clerk just announced it
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:16 pm

Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.

You already see them retconning the inability to tie their own shoes as 'part of the plan, you see...'
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Postby Picairn » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:16 pm

No Speaker elected.
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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:16 pm

Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.
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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:17 pm

Still no speaker, and house was considering to adjourn
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:17 pm

He lost but he's very close to getting it. Unfortunately for him, his power is dwindling and honestly, he's going to be weak Speaker - if he can get it at this point.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Shit, man. They can't even agree on whether or not to go home.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Galiantus III » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.


Better than the shame we've had for over a decade. This is how a real democracy works. You argue. You work things out. It takes time. But you get better results.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Gods, how can watching this live be exciting and boring at the same time?

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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:18 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Shit, man. They can't even agree on whether or not to go home.

but they all agreed to keep this circus running for four days and counting
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:19 pm

Zurkerx wrote:He lost but he's very close to getting it. Unfortunately for him, his power is dwindling and honestly, he's going to be weak Speaker - if he can get it at this point.

Two years of the most limp dicked house possible.

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:19 pm

PATRIOT SIX
Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.

you paraphrased this from the new york times
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Postby Eahland » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:These four who didn’t vote for McCarthy are utter and complete embarrassments and I do not blame other members for their anger. That does not make near altercation ok.

Anyone who does vote for McCarthy is a complete and utter embarrassment.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:20 pm

Wow, the ABC Live stream is like a minute behind. I opened that CSPAN link someone just posted and they are waaaay out of sync.

Dude just pointed out that on the anniversary of the insurection Republican senators got handsy with each other.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:21 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:PATRIOT SIX
Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.

you paraphrased this from the new york times


Correct, and honestly, it put it in words the same way I would:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/06 ... =url-share
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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:22 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Shit, man. They can't even agree on whether or not to go home.
Celritannia wrote:Gods, how can watching this live be exciting and boring at the same time?
Where are you two watching this?
Cannot think of a name wrote:Wow, the ABC Live stream is like a minute behind. I opened that CSPAN link someone just posted and they are waaaay out of sync.
Wait... CSPAN?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:23 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.


Better than the shame we've had for over a decade. This is how a real democracy works. You argue. You work things out. It takes time. But you get better results.

"Guys, see? Our complete inability to do even the most basic procedural thing is a good thing. It's not that we're disorganized and being led around by 6 members, it's that we're deliberating! Guuuuuuuuys, this is all part of the plan!"
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Heloin » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:24 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:This is supposed to be the easy vote - picking a Speaker: imagine what is to come when they have to try to get the Debt Ceiling raised, as well as other spending bills passed. This is going to be a circus for the next two years, and the Democrats better hammer it away to show how the GOP, particularly the far right, can't govern.


Better than the shame we've had for over a decade. This is how a real democracy works. You argue. You work things out. It takes time. But you get better results.

you killed me with laughter. heloin is now dead.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:25 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Shit, man. They can't even agree on whether or not to go home.
Celritannia wrote:Gods, how can watching this live be exciting and boring at the same time?
Where are you two watching this?
Cannot think of a name wrote:Wow, the ABC Live stream is like a minute behind. I opened that CSPAN link someone just posted and they are waaaay out of sync.
Wait... CSPAN?

Yeah man, it was linked a few posts ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIN_qULL14

But I'm watching it on ABC Live via Hulu as well. I imaging any of the 24 hour news stations are running it as well. Maybe not Fox.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:25 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Shit, man. They can't even agree on whether or not to go home.
Celritannia wrote:Gods, how can watching this live be exciting and boring at the same time?
Where are you two watching this?
Cannot think of a name wrote:Wow, the ABC Live stream is like a minute behind. I opened that CSPAN link someone just posted and they are waaaay out of sync.
Wait... CSPAN?


C-SPAN youtube live.

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Postby Galiantus III » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:26 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:
Better than the shame we've had for over a decade. This is how a real democracy works. You argue. You work things out. It takes time. But you get better results.

"Guys, see? Our complete inability to do even the most basic procedural thing is a good thing. It's not that we're disorganized and being led around by 6 members, it's that we're deliberating! Guuuuuuuuys, this is all part of the plan!"


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