American Politics 16: After The Ballooning

[Skelly Man Dan]

I've only been skimming through the Floyd debate, so maybe I'm missing something, but was anyone going to point out the irony of the poster who started with this,

I am sure you can cherry-pick counterexamples, but immediately after the George Floyd video went viral, conservatives and Republicans overwhelmingly condemned the actions of the police officer.

immediately switched over to how Floyd died of an overdose and how kneeling on his neck couldn't have been the cause?

Idk, kind of hard to reconcile "actually, we did condemn Chauvin" with the excuses meant to explain away his responsibility for what happened.

[Bombadil]

Broke? More like got most of what they wanted. I think it was Gaetz who said they were running out of things to ask for…..

they got everything they wanted in what? The first round of negotiations? they all broke for some reason.

They got this..

The agreement McCarthy presented to ​the rebel camp includes many of the procedural changes that they have been demanding. ​At the heart of the deal is a rule that would allow a single lawmaker to move to “vacate the chair,” effectively triggering a vote to oust the speaker at any point.

Either he does what they demand or face endless calls to vacate.

[Ifreann]

In the course of this post alone you prove yourself a liar. You say that you think Chauvin was guilty of manslaughter, but you also say that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. These two things literally cannot both be true. For Chauvin to be guilty of the manslaughter of Floyd he must have killed Floyd. For Floyd to have died of a fentanyl overdose he cannot have been killed by Chauvin. You're lying to defend a murderer in the course of claiming that the right condemns violence.

I don't consider people guilty of the effects of their actions, but of their actions themselves. Chauvin could obviously see Floyd was in distress, yet did not adjust his actions in the interest of his welfare. It is obvious from the video that he should have believed he (and/or the other officers) were harming Floyd in some way. Whether Floyd lived or died I would want Chauvin charged with a crime, because he obviously had no problem with the idea of endangering someone else.

If you believe that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose then no action on the part of Chauvin killed him, and thus Chauvin cannot possibly be guilty of manslaughter. But also you believe that Chauvin did criminally kill Floyd and is guilty of manslaughter.

Just stop fucking lying. Just stop. You're not fucking running for office or anything, you're not going to cost Republicans the House, just drop this fucking double talk and tell us what you really fucking believe.

[Galiantus III]

I don't consider people guilty of the effects of their actions, but of their actions themselves. Chauvin could obviously see Floyd was in distress, yet did not adjust his actions in the interest of his welfare. It is obvious from the video that he should have believed he (and/or the other officers) were harming Floyd in some way. Whether Floyd lived or died I would want Chauvin charged with a crime, because he obviously had no problem with the idea of endangering someone else.

If you believe that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose then no action on the part of Chauvin killed him, and thus Chauvin cannot possibly be guilty of manslaughter. But also you believe that Chauvin did criminally kill Floyd and is guilty of manslaughter.

Just stop fucking lying. Just stop. You're not fucking running for office or anything, you're not going to cost Republicans the House, just drop this fucking double talk and tell us what you really fucking believe.

But Chauvin's actions surely justify a punishment. If you endanger someone, you deserve to be punished, regardless if they immediately die of something else.

[San Lumen]

they got everything they wanted in what? The first round of negotiations? they all broke for some reason.

They got this..

The agreement McCarthy presented to ​the rebel camp includes many of the procedural changes that they have been demanding. ​At the heart of the deal is a rule that would allow a single lawmaker to move to “vacate the chair,” effectively triggering a vote to oust the speaker at any point.

Either he does what they demand or face endless calls to vacate.

It should be interesting when the debt ceiling comes up for a vote since several of them don’t want to vote to raise it.

[Cannot think of a name]

I've only been skimming through the Floyd debate, so maybe I'm missing something, but was anyone going to point out the irony of the poster who started with this,

I am sure you can cherry-pick counterexamples, but immediately after the George Floyd video went viral, conservatives and Republicans overwhelmingly condemned the actions of the police officer.

immediately switched over to how Floyd died of an overdose and how kneeling on his neck couldn't have been the cause?

Idk, kind of hard to reconcile "actually, we did condemn Chauvin" with the excuses meant to explain away his responsibility for what happened.

He's just throwing leaves in the air to create an air of uncertainty so that the truth is harder to accept. It's a bullshit tactic by people who are trying to push some bullshit but it's effective a lot of the time, so that's the world we live in now. When you need people to not accept the truth, open the fire hose of bullshit.

[San Lumen]

If you believe that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose then no action on the part of Chauvin killed him, and thus Chauvin cannot possibly be guilty of manslaughter. But also you believe that Chauvin did criminally kill Floyd and is guilty of manslaughter.

Just stop fucking lying. Just stop. You're not fucking running for office or anything, you're not going to cost Republicans the House, just drop this fucking double talk and tell us what you really fucking believe.

But Chauvin's actions surely justify a punishment. If you endanger someone, you deserve to be punished, regardless if they immediately die of something else.

Floyd died as a direct result of Chauvin’s accounts. Stop dancing around and contradicting yourself trying to claim the trial wasn’t fair.

[Cannot think of a name]

So they're yapping over the roll call but that seems to be because they kinda think he's sorted it out this time. Has he sorted it out this time?

Do the Democrats go six kinds of petty and trigger a vote to vacate every Tuesday (only funny in theory)? So far the screen says 3 for 'other' and Boebart's 'present'.

[Cannot think of a name]

Was that the standing ovation for voting for himself?

[Celritannia]

If you believe that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose then no action on the part of Chauvin killed him, and thus Chauvin cannot possibly be guilty of manslaughter. But also you believe that Chauvin did criminally kill Floyd and is guilty of manslaughter.

Just stop fucking lying. Just stop. You're not fucking running for office or anything, you're not going to cost Republicans the House, just drop this fucking double talk and tell us what you really fucking believe.

But Chauvin's actions surely justify a punishment. If you endanger someone, you deserve to be punished, regardless if they immediately die of something else.

And where, in any police handbook, does it give you the right to use your knee to put pressure on someone's neck in order to restrain them?

[American Legionaries]

But Chauvin's actions surely justify a punishment. If you endanger someone, you deserve to be punished, regardless if they immediately die of something else.

And where in any police handbook does it give you the right to use your kee and put pressure on someone's neck to restrain someone?

Iunno, Iran maybe?

[Untecna]

Was that the standing ovation for voting for himself?

This has been happening every vote. We can assume customs. Have you not paid attention?

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

When you need people to not accept the truth, open the fire hose of bullshit.

Ah, the Bannonist gambit!

[Cannot think of a name]

Was that the standing ovation for voting for himself?

This has been happening every vote. We can assume customs. Have you not paid attention?

No, as mentioned in the previous post directly before that, talkie faces are talking over the roll call vote on the stream so I didn't hear what caused the ovation so I asked people if it was that or if it was something else. Then you came along and made a snide comment, good for you.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

And where in any police handbook does it give you the right to use your kee and put pressure on someone's neck to restrain someone?

Dunno, Iran maybe?

Or maybe Hungry, Russia, or Saudi Arabia?

[Milk Island]

McCarthy needs a Gaetz flip and Buck to show up to win the speakership.

[Hispida]

McCarthy needs a Gaetz flip and Buck to show up to win the speakership.

buck showing up like franziska von karma in 2-4 (epic reference to obscure visual novel!!!)

[Perikuresu]

Was that the standing ovation for voting for himself?

I assumed it was for one of the 20 Republicans who voted for McCarthy

[Bombadil]

Democrats will be in an odd position given any call to vacate the speaker. Do they vote nay and retain McCarthy or vote Yea and allow 6 Republicans to run the House?

[Alcala-Cordel]

If you believe that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose then no action on the part of Chauvin killed him, and thus Chauvin cannot possibly be guilty of manslaughter. But also you believe that Chauvin did criminally kill Floyd and is guilty of manslaughter.

Just stop fucking lying. Just stop. You're not fucking running for office or anything, you're not going to cost Republicans the House, just drop this fucking double talk and tell us what you really fucking believe.

But Chauvin's actions surely justify a punishment. If you endanger someone, you deserve to be punished, regardless if they immediately die of something else.

Chauvin murdered George Floyd. Experts might not like to talk definitely, but they all effectively agree he did.

[Cannot think of a name]

Was that the standing ovation for voting for himself?

I assumed it was for one of the 20 Republicans who voted for McCarthy

That's what I was looking for clarification, if it was a key hold out that indicated this might be it or if it was just him saying his name for the 14th time.

Regardless of the clappy clappy, looking at the numbers tick...this might be it?

[Nora Xent]

Projection: Kevin McCarthy will become speaker of the house.

[Cannot think of a name]

Gaetz and Bosart? dunno how to spell that apparently didn't say shit, not even present?

[Picairn]

McCarthy is elected it seems.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm guessing Gaetz voting present is game.