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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:23 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I don't want to see drag queens everywhere just as much as everybody else whose aesthetic isn't "explosion at a sex shop at the end of the rainbow".

What's always important to remember though is the pushing of this as some kind of cultural zeitgeist has come from a relatively small amount of radical queer activists and then coopted by liberals who are looking to use it as a political wedge issue.

And the political reaction against it by the other side's cultural warriors and the ultimate policy upshot of vague "return to traditional values" stories tends to delve into things that have actual impacts on real people who have very little to do with all of this, such as attacking rights for ordinary homosexualists and trans people and creating panic narratives around them. These people generally don't own big media channels, don't really appreciate the woke liberal appropriation of their identity and just want to be left alone.

So yes, the constant "drag everywhere" bullshit is annoying but responding by supporting the platforms of these opportunist politicians who always go after the wrong targets is like responding to getting punched by driving a car through an entire crowd of people in the hopes of hitting the person who punched you.


Don't get me wrong, I dont want to shove people back in the closet. Some people are just naturally attracted to the same sex, and I wouldn't want them to be unjustly ostracized from society just for that reason. They're deserving equal civility as anyone else.

But like damn, a lot of this shit is just so forced


This is why late-form democratic politics are so utterly retarded. They center around two sets of opportunists who are constrained by economic stagnation and their own lack of vision into offering no real social improvement for anyone, instead getting out the vote and maintaining their bases by caricaturing each other into an emergency-level threat.

Making each base hate each is going to provoke political violence at some point. And while political violence has its place, having it happen in service of these useless showers of shit is going to accomplish nothing.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:This is why late-form democratic politics are so utterly retarded. They center around two sets of opportunists who are constrained by economic stagnation and their own lack of vision into offering no real social improvement for anyone, instead getting out the vote and maintaining their bases by caricaturing each other into an emergency-level threat.


Based, and spot on.

This is a refreshing take.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:29 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I agree, lets avoid it this time. To Vass, I Posted it and reedited it after Astoria quoted me, like usual.


GMS, I feel like your heart is in the right place - BUT, can you name 5 things that Trump did you didn't like? I feel like even great leaders are prone to occasionally fail our expectations in some way, and a reasonable person should be able to spot these failures. Only a psychophant or someone of unhealthy mental disposition could find another human without flaw. So, test yourself, can you name 5 times you disagreed with something Trump did?

I can only think of two and they are in Foreign Policy.
I - He betrayed the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, militarily strong, Independent Nation State, allied to the USA, Like Israel.
2 - He Fired John Bolton, recently I Posted that if I were President of the USA, I would not have fired John Bolton.

Well here I go again, with another one of my versions of the same thing, but their is no other better clear way to say it.

As I have posted many times before in details and with links, Trump was tough on Russia and China, Trump sold weapons to Ukraine and Taiwan, Trump negotiated trade deals, Trump negotiated Peace Between certain Arab Nations and Israel, and was working on Peace between Israel and Saudi Arabia. I support Trump's Policies against the eternal dictatorships of Cuba, Venezeula and Nicaragua. Trump is not guilty or responsible for Virus Gate, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Election Gate and Capitol Hill Gate, so according to me and those who strongly agree with me, President Trump is a Great President of the USA. So we cant criticize him on these issues as the Leftist Democrats, Real Leftist as Therm Calls them and anti Trump Republicans want us too.

I have the nations of NS Greater Kurdistan, NS Jerusalem Israel, Taiwan China, and NS Greater Taiwan China, as I call Taiwan, Taiwan China.

I don't know if you have seen my Posts and I think you have not seen them in your case, My Cuban American Friend of French Cuban descent from way back before Castro's time in Cuba, Carlos Lumpuy, is a successful American businessman and Historian. According to Historian Carlos Lumpuy, Trump is the second Greatest American President of the USA, and Trump is the Second Greatest President of the USA. He once bought me dinner and two beers, after a Trump Rally, when a group of us went to a nearby restaurant and I was short of cash $ on hand.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:32 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
GMS, I feel like your heart is in the right place - BUT, can you name 5 things that Trump did you didn't like? I feel like even great leaders are prone to occasionally fail our expectations in some way, and a reasonable person should be able to spot these failures. Only a psychophant or someone of unhealthy mental disposition could find another human without flaw. So, test yourself, can you name 5 times you disagreed with something Trump did?

I can only think of two and they are in Foreign Policy.
I - He betrayed the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, militarily strong, Independent Nation State, allied to the USA, Like Israel.
2 - He Fired John Bolton, recently I Posted that if I were President of the USA, I would not have fired John Bolton.

Well here I go again, with another one of my versions of the same thing, but their is no other better clear way to say it.

As I have posted many times before in details and with links, Trump was tough on Russia and China, Trump sold weapons to Ukraine and Taiwan, Trump negotiated trade deals, Trump negotiated Peace Between certain Arab Nations and Israel, and was working on Peace between Israel and Saudi Arabia. I support Trump's Policies against the eternal dictatorships of Cuba, Venezeula and Nicaragua. Trump is not guilty or responsible for Virus Gate, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Election Gate and Capitol Hill Gate, so according to me and those who strongly agree with me, President Trump is a Great President of the USA. So we cant criticize him on these issues as the Leftist Democrats, Real Leftist as Therm Calls them and anti Trump Republicans want us too.

I have the nations of NS Greater Kurdistan, Taiwan China, and NS Greater Taiwan China, as I call Taiwan, Taiwan China.

I don't know if you have seen my Posts and I think you have not seen them in your case, My Cuban American Friend of French Cuban descent from way back before Castro's time in Cuba, Carlos Lumpuy, is a successful American businessman and Historian. According to Historian Carlos Lumpuy, Trump is the second Greatest American President of the USA, and Trump is the Second Greatest President of the USA. He once bought me dinner and two beers, after a Trump Rally, when a group of us went to a nearby restaurant and I was short of cash $ on hand.


And what did he do to deserve the title of Second Greatest President? He spent four years playing golf. The man was an incompetant moron.

>Tough on China

Did you miss all the times he publicly fawned over Xi and how powerful he was?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I can only think of two and they are in Foreign Policy.
I - He betrayed the Kurds, I think Kurdistan can be and should be an oil rich, militarily strong, Independent Nation State, allied to the USA, Like Israel.
2 - He Fired John Bolton, recently I Posted that if I were President of the USA, I would not have fired John Bolton.

Well here I go again, with another one of my versions of the same thing, but their is no other better clear way to say it.

As I have posted many times before in details and with links, Trump was tough on Russia and China, Trump sold weapons to Ukraine and Taiwan, Trump negotiated trade deals, Trump negotiated Peace Between certain Arab Nations and Israel, and was working on Peace between Israel and Saudi Arabia. I support Trump's Policies against the eternal dictatorships of Cuba, Venezeula and Nicaragua. Trump is not guilty or responsible for Virus Gate, Russia Gate, Ukraine Gate, Election Gate and Capitol Hill Gate, so according to me and those who strongly agree with me, President Trump is a Great President of the USA. So we cant criticize him on these issues as the Leftist Democrats, Real Leftist as Therm Calls them and anti Trump Republicans want us too.

I have the nations of NS Greater Kurdistan, Taiwan China, and NS Greater Taiwan China, as I call Taiwan, Taiwan China.

I don't know if you have seen my Posts and I think you have not seen them in your case, My Cuban American Friend of French Cuban descent from way back before Castro's time in Cuba, Carlos Lumpuy, is a successful American businessman and Historian. According to Historian Carlos Lumpuy, Trump is the second Greatest American President of the USA, and Trump is the Second Greatest President of the USA. He once bought me dinner and two beers, after a Trump Rally, when a group of us went to a nearby restaurant and I was short of cash $ on hand.


And what did he do to deserve the title of Second Greatest President? He spent four years playing golf. The man was an incompetant moron.

>Tough on China

Did you miss all the times he publicly fawned over Xi and how powerful he was?

According to you and those who strongly agree with you. But not according to me and those who strongly agree with me.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what did he do to deserve the title of Second Greatest President? He spent four years playing golf. The man was an incompetant moron.

>Tough on China

Did you miss all the times he publicly fawned over Xi and how powerful he was?

According to you and those who strongly agree with you. But not according to me and those who strongly agree with me.


Remember, spending all your time playing golf rather than running the country is what a great president does. Tear-gassing peaceful protestors to clear space for a photo op is what a great president does. Throwing public tantrums because you can't accept that you lost a free and fair election is what a great president does.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:43 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:What do people make of Jair Bolsonaro's presence in Florida? Does he intend to become a resident or stay there indefinitely? Would the US extradite him if Brazil ever decided that they wanted him back? The ex-president of Brazil has supposedly fled to the US ahead of his opponent taking power.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/braz ... -rcna63802

i welcome him and believe he should apply for political asylum because he is lula's first target for oppression

I second your post.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:44 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:What do people make of Jair Bolsonaro's presence in Florida? Does he intend to become a resident or stay there indefinitely? Would the US extradite him if Brazil ever decided that they wanted him back? The ex-president of Brazil has supposedly fled to the US ahead of his opponent taking power.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/braz ... -rcna63802

i welcome him and believe he should apply for political asylum because he is lula's first target for oppression


Oppression how?
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:46 am

Vassenor wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i welcome him and believe he should apply for political asylum because he is lula's first target for oppression


Oppression how?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:54 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i welcome him and believe he should apply for political asylum because he is lula's first target for oppression

I second your post.


Still waiting for your proof of fraud in Arizona and other states.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I second your post.


Still waiting for your proof of fraud in Arizona and other states.


The Republican didn't win. That should be all the proof of fraud a true patriot needs.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:30 am

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Still waiting for your proof of fraud in Arizona and other states.


The Republican didn't win. That should be all the proof of fraud a true patriot needs.


Yup elections are only free and fair if a republican wins.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The Republican didn't win. That should be all the proof of fraud a true patriot needs.


Yup elections are only free and fair if a republican wins.

Guess what many Republicans say? Today in America elections are only free and fair if a Democrat wins. If we Republicans, American citizens of the USA, dare question any election results, we are accused of being undemocratic, election deniers, unpatriotic, extremist. Fascist Nazis, they want to establish a dictatorship nation in the USA. this is what many Republicans say today under the current government of the USA.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:13 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yup elections are only free and fair if a republican wins.

Guess what many Republicans say? Today in America elections are only free and fair if a Democrat wins. If we Republicans, American citizens of the USA, dare question any election results, we are accused of being undemocratic, election deniers, unpatriotic, extremist. Fascist Nazis, this is what many Republicans say today under the current government of the USA.


And yet you constantly refuse to actually prove that there was electoral fraud without resorting to stuff like "this toilet leaked therefore the election was rigged", hence why it looks like "we didn't win therefore there was fraud".

And when your side is full of people yelling HEIL TRUMP and carrying around swastika flags, or sneaking Nazi iconography into event designs, we're going to call them out as being Nazis and Nazi sympathisers.
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:15 am

A few more hours and we will know if Kevin McCarthy will be speaker or not. I am willing to predict that he is not able to get the votes he needs to become speaker.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:17 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Eahland wrote:To maintain symmetry, we should deport Trump to Brazil.

But Trump did not do anything wrong. Trump is not guilty of the Leftist Democrats Trumped UP charges against him, Trumped UP Pun intended.


We need to sell Mar a Largo to Florida Natural.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Guess what many Republicans say? Today in America elections are only free and fair if a Democrat wins. If we Republicans, American citizens of the USA, dare question any election results, we are accused of being undemocratic, election deniers, unpatriotic, extremist. Fascist Nazis, they want to establish a dictatorship nation in the USA. this is what many Republicans say today under the current government of the USA.
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And yet you constantly refuse to actually prove that there was electoral fraud, hence why it looks like "we didn't win therefore there was fraud".

And when your side is full of people yelling HEIL TRUMP and carrying around swastika flags, we're going to call them out as being Nazis and Nazi sympathisers.

Fascist Nazis are not Republicans, they are Fascist Nazis, and they are a small minority of persons. As I recently posted, the courts and the US Supreme Court should have listened to our vote fraud charges, like during Al Gore's election vote fraud charges, instead of dismissing the cases based on technical legal language.

We don't refuse to acknowledge their was no vote fraud, because their was vote fraud.

For the Post Record, I updated my original post above and the post you quoted, seconds after you quoted me, like I usually do, you guys have to give me about an hour before you quote me, lol.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:26 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And yet you constantly refuse to actually prove that there was electoral fraud, hence why it looks like "we didn't win therefore there was fraud".

And when your side is full of people yelling HEIL TRUMP and carrying around swastika flags, we're going to call them out as being Nazis and Nazi sympathisers.

Fascist Nazis are not Republicans, they are Fascist Nazis, and they are a small minority of persons. As I recently posted, the courts and the US Supreme Court should have listened to our vote fraud charges, like during Al Gore's election vote fraud charges, instead of dismissing the cases based on technical legal language.

We don't refuse to acknowledge their was no vote fraud, because their was vote fraud.

For the Post Record, I updated my original post above and the post you quoted, seconds after you quoted me, like I usually do, you guys have to give me about an hour before you quote me, lol.


If you want the court to take your claims seriously you need evidence. It's not a "BUT BOTH SIDES" if you show up to court with no evidence and get laughed at.

And yes, there was proven voter fraud. It just seems to keep being perpetrated by Trumpists.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:33 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?

God, Manners, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA. Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't Make them Like President Ronald Reagan Any More.


The first four things are alright and even the sixth thing but the others I don’t see as really traditional family values.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Fascist Nazis are not Republicans, they are Fascist Nazis, and they are a small minority of persons. As I recently posted, the courts and the US Supreme Court should have listened to our vote fraud charges, like during Al Gore's election vote fraud charges, instead of dismissing the cases based on technical legal language.

We don't refuse to acknowledge their was no vote fraud, because their was vote fraud.

For the Post Record, I updated my original post above and the post you quoted, seconds after you quoted me, like I usually do, you guys have to give me about an hour before you quote me, lol.


If you want the court to take your claims seriously you need evidence. It's not a "BUT BOTH SIDES" if you show up to court with no evidence and get laughed at.

And yes, there was proven voter fraud. It just seems to keep being perpetrated by Trumpists.

It is very hard to physically prove election vote fraud once the vote fraud has happened, no one is going to testify, Yes Your Honor, I committed vote fraud and we committed vote fraud, just like it happened in the Kary Lake Arizona vote fraud case, where Kary Lake proved election vote fraud from the testimony of the guy in charge of the election machines, so called technical problems, yeah right, they did it by intent. Kary Lake proved her vote fraud charges.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
If you want the court to take your claims seriously you need evidence. It's not a "BUT BOTH SIDES" if you show up to court with no evidence and get laughed at.

And yes, there was proven voter fraud. It just seems to keep being perpetrated by Trumpists.

It is very hard to physically prove election vote fraud once the vote fraud has happened, no one is going to testify, Yes Your Honor, I committed vote fraud and we committed vote fraud, just like it happened in the Kary Lake Arizona vote fraud case, where Kary Lake proved election vote fraud from the testimony of the guy in charge of the election machines, so called technical problems, yeah right, they did it on intent. Kary Lake proved her vote fraud charges.


"A bunch of printers didn't work properly therefore election fraud" is not the sound logic you think it is.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yup elections are only free and fair if a republican wins.

Guess what many Republicans say? Today in America elections are only free and fair if a Democrat wins. If we Republicans, American citizens of the USA, dare question any election results, we are accused of being undemocratic, election deniers, unpatriotic, extremist. Fascist Nazis, they want to establish a dictatorship nation in the USA. this is what many Republicans say today under the current government of the USA.

We aren't getting mad at you denying results because democrats one. we're mad at you because you have provided ZERO evidence and there is plenty evidence that the election was secure. If Trump won, would you still question results? or would you accept them?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:38 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?

God, Manners, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA. Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't Make them Like President Ronald Reagan Any More.


So enforced religion in open defiance of the constitution, reducing women to broodmares, and suppressing the idea of different racial groups being equal to White People in open defiance of the guiding principles that America was founded on (hard to say All Men Are Created Equal when you want the right to define certain people as being second-class citizens based on their gender or ethnicity).

Good thing we left that atavistic values system behind.
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:38 am

Nora Xent wrote:A few more hours and we will know if Kevin McCarthy will be speaker or not. I am willing to predict that he is not able to get the votes he needs to become speaker.

Kevin McCarthy made himself into a puppet figurehead monarch and turned himself into a Eunuch, and he's still down a bunch of needed votes, imao.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:41 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
If you want the court to take your claims seriously you need evidence. It's not a "BUT BOTH SIDES" if you show up to court with no evidence and get laughed at.

And yes, there was proven voter fraud. It just seems to keep being perpetrated by Trumpists.

It is very hard to physically prove election vote fraud once the vote fraud has happened, no one is going to testify, Yes Your Honor, I committed vote fraud and we committed vote fraud, just like it happened in the Kary Lake Arizona vote fraud case, where Kary Lake proved election vote fraud from the testimony of the guy in charge of the election machines, so called technical problems, yeah right, they did it by intent. Kary Lake proved her vote fraud charges.


How then do you prove fraud?

If Lake proved her charges why was it dismissed by the court? Is the judge in on it?

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