American Politics 16: After The Ballooning

[-Astoria-]

We need the old Time Family Values Back.

Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?

These, apparently:

Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?

God, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA.

On that note: stop me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure CRT & MAGA are very much recent things, and not "old-time".

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?

It means jack shit, and we both know that. Honestly, the "old times" wouldn't even tolerate a man like Trump nor the antics of the modern right, not that they care, as they're postmodern.

Trump supporters like to romanticize the 1950s, yet the 1950s wouldn't tolerate most of their boorish attitude towards politics or their profane clothing and signs.

I am gland you are sharing your opinions with me and all of us.

[Based Illinois]

We shouldn't wait for bad businesses to get to this point though. If a business is hurting a community with its malpractice, then it shouldn't be tolerated - regardless of whether its political or not. DeSantis hasn't realized that yet, and I think he's still kind of rising the free market train gang

He is. His antics "against" Disney gave them a tax break and he is supported by the standard GOP megadonors, so he is just as "free market" as Romney. Probably even more so, tbh.

His populism is as fake as Trump's.

Son of a bitch...

[Vassenor]

Ah, so you’re upset that groups you don’t like are allowed to be shown on TV now.

Im upset that they've agenda behind their actions. Its not merely education, as you'd like to posit it, its an attempt at normalizing certain cultural practices.

Funny tho, you never seem to address any of my other more pressing points...

So when did DeSantis cite any of those other things when he decided to wield the wrath of god? Or was it all because Disney objected to his legislative homophobia?

[Dimetrodon Empire]

He is. His antics "against" Disney gave them a tax break and he is supported by the standard GOP megadonors, so he is just as "free market" as Romney. Probably even more so, tbh.

His populism is as fake as Trump's.

Son of a bitch...

For all the flaws the Dems have, and they have many, the Republican Party's role in our modern political system is to be the biggest corporate bitch, while distracting everyone with culture war drivel. People like Hilary make a close second.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?

It means jack shit, and we both know that. Honestly, the "old times" wouldn't even tolerate a man like Trump nor the antics of the modern right, not that they care, as they're postmodern.

Trump supporters like to romanticize the 1950s, yet the 1950s wouldn't tolerate most of their boorish attitude towards politics or their profane clothing and signs.

The really funny part is that if they’re so dead set on returning to the 50’s, they might want to learn more about the tax rates back then…

[Dimetrodon Empire]

It means jack shit, and we both know that. Honestly, the "old times" wouldn't even tolerate a man like Trump nor the antics of the modern right, not that they care, as they're postmodern.

Trump supporters like to romanticize the 1950s, yet the 1950s wouldn't tolerate most of their boorish attitude towards politics or their profane clothing and signs.

The really funny part is that if they’re so dead set on returning to the 50’s, they might want to learn more about the tax rates back then…

That too.

[Based Illinois]

Im upset that they've agenda behind their actions. Its not merely education, as you'd like to posit it, its an attempt at normalizing certain cultural practices.

Funny tho, you never seem to address any of my other more pressing points...

So when did DeSantis cite any of those other things when he decided to wield the wrath of god? Or was it all because Disney objected to his legislative homophobia?

Well, that's kind of the point im making. DeSantis only came after Disney once they started opposing him in the culture. Disney has been an evil corporation for years, screwing over millions of people who work for them or who live in communities dependent on them. If DeSantis really wanted to make a stand for moral values and justice, he would have started fighting Disney years earlier - not just when they start to push back on one hot button issue of the culture war.

But he didn't, and thats all we need to know about him

[Vassenor]

So when did DeSantis cite any of those other things when he decided to wield the wrath of god? Or was it all because Disney objected to his legislative homophobia?

Well, that's kind of the point im making. DeSantis only came after Disney once they started opposing him in the culture. Disney has been an evil corporation for years, screwing over millions of people who work for them or who live in communities dependent on them. If DeSantis really wanted to make a stand for moral values and justice, he would have started fighting Disney years earlier - not just when they start to push back on one hot button issue of the culture war.

But he didn't, and thats all we need to know about him

It’s almost like the GOP likes the idea of worker exploitation.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?

These, apparently:

God, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA.

On that note: stop me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure CRT & MAGA are very much recent things, and not "old-time".

Leftist CRT Critical Race Theory is new and anti Old Family Values, this is why we need Trump and DeSantis 2024 to MAGA - To Make America Great Again.

[Vassenor]

These, apparently:

On that note: stop me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure CRT & MAGA are very much recent things, and not "old-time".

Leftist CRT Critical Race Theory is new and anti Old Family Values, this is why we need Trump and DeSantis 2024 to MAGA - To Make America Great Again.

And what are Family Values? And what is CRT?

[Cannot think of a name]

Ah, so you’re upset that groups you don’t like are allowed to be shown on TV now.

Im upset that they've agenda behind their actions. Its not merely education, as you'd like to posit it, its an attempt at normalizing certain cultural practices.

Funny tho, you never seem to address any of my other more pressing points...

Oh man...you're probably gonna want to sit down for this.

You've been watching stuff with an agenda this whole time. The agenda of exclusion was more of a construct than the one of inclusion. The stuff you think of as 'neutral' or free of agenda...was not. This isn't introducing agenda, it's correct a record that was intentional obfuscated.

[-Astoria-]

Leftist CRT Critical Race Theory is new and anti Old Family Values, this is why we need Trump and DeSantis 2024 to MAGA - To Make America Great Again.

And what are Family Values? And what is CRT?

I feel we're going to go into a feedback loop yet again.

[Based Illinois]

Well, that's kind of the point im making. DeSantis only came after Disney once they started opposing him in the culture. Disney has been an evil corporation for years, screwing over millions of people who work for them or who live in communities dependent on them. If DeSantis really wanted to make a stand for moral values and justice, he would have started fighting Disney years earlier - not just when they start to push back on one hot button issue of the culture war.

But he didn't, and thats all we need to know about him

It’s almost like the GOP likes the idea of worker exploitation.

Oh they do. Republican voters are not represented by Republican politicians. There is a growing radicalness amongst the GOP working class base, that has definetly been picking up over the years. Ive finally bit the bullet and registered in hopes of helping that wave get the GOP to unwrap its lips around corporate America's dick. In the next 10 years, I expect to see some hopeful progress - not from the cunts who rule us, but from the poor people tired of getting trampled on by a government that hates them.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Leftist CRT Critical Race Theory is new and anti Old Family Values, this is why we need Trump and DeSantis 2024 to MAGA - To Make America Great Again.

And what are Family Values? And what is CRT?

He has no answers to those questions and he will take pride in his ignorance on what those terms mean.

There's no point in engaging.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

And what are Family Values? And what is CRT?

I feel we're going to go into a feedback loop yet again.

I agree, lets avoid it this time. To Vass, I Posted it and reedited it.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

And what are Family Values? And what is CRT?

I feel we're going to go into a feedback loop yet again.

Par for the course, when it comes to GMS. I learned my lesson in that regard at the least. Leave the soapbox orator with the poor use of pronouns to their prattle.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

...not from the cunts who rule us, but from the poor people tired of getting trampled on by a government that hates them.

Political division that is literally manufactured by the elites themselves to divide the population as well as many invisible barriers are effective at keeping the common people out of politics. Not to mention that the GOP's base unironically think that Tucker Carlson is a real populist when his goal is to distract from issues that matter.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I mean you’ve not actually provided examples of any of those things happening and just demanded that we accept that they do.

Well heres a Disney executive admitting to going out of her way to add as much queen content in her productions as possible

I don't want to see drag queens everywhere just as much as everybody else whose aesthetic isn't "explosion at a sex shop at the end of the rainbow".

What's always important to remember though is the pushing of this as some kind of cultural zeitgeist has come from a relatively small amount of radical queer activists and then coopted by liberals who are looking to use it as a political wedge issue.

And the political reaction against it by the other side's cultural warriors and the ultimate policy upshot of vague "return to traditional values" stories tends to delve into things that have actual impacts on real people who have very little to do with all of this, such as attacking rights for ordinary homosexualists and trans people and creating panic narratives around them. These people generally don't own big media channels, don't really appreciate the woke liberal appropriation of their identity and just want to be left alone.

So yes, the constant "drag everywhere" bullshit is annoying but responding by supporting the platforms of these opportunist politicians who always go after the wrong targets is like responding to getting punched by driving a car through an entire crowd of people in the hopes of hitting the person who punched you.

[Based Illinois]

I feel we're going to go into a feedback loop yet again.

I agree, lets avoid it this time. To Vass, I Posted it and reedited it after Astoria quoted me, like usual.

GMS, I feel like your heart is in the right place - BUT, can you name 5 things that Trump did you didn't like? I feel like even great leaders are prone to occasionally fail our expectations in some way, and a reasonable person should be able to spot these failures. Only a psychophant or someone of unhealthy mental disposition could find another human without flaw. So, test yourself, can you name 5 times you disagreed with something Trump did?

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

What do people make of Jair Bolsonaro's presence in Florida? Does he intend to become a resident or stay there indefinitely? Would the US extradite him if Brazil ever decided that they wanted him back? The ex-president of Brazil has supposedly fled to the US ahead of his opponent taking power.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/braz ... -rcna63802

i welcome him and believe he should apply for political asylum because he is lula's first target for oppression

I second your post.

[Vassenor]

I feel we're going to go into a feedback loop yet again.

I agree, lets avoid it this time. To Vass, I Posted it and reedited it.

Then it won't be hard for you to post it again.

[Based Illinois]

Well heres a Disney executive admitting to going out of her way to add as much queen content in her productions as possible

I don't want to see drag queens everywhere just as much as everybody else whose aesthetic isn't "explosion at a sex shop at the end of the rainbow".

What's always important to remember though is the pushing of this as some kind of cultural zeitgeist has come from a relatively small amount of radical queer activists and then coopted by liberals who are looking to use it as a political wedge issue.

And the political reaction against it by the other side's cultural warriors and the ultimate policy upshot of vague "return to traditional values" stories tends to delve into things that have actual impacts on real people who have very little to do with all of this, such as attacking rights for ordinary homosexualists and trans people and creating panic narratives around them. These people generally don't own big media channels, don't really appreciate the woke liberal appropriation of their identity and just want to be left alone.

So yes, the constant "drag everywhere" bullshit is annoying but responding by supporting the platforms of these opportunist politicians who always go after the wrong targets is like responding to getting punched by driving a car through an entire crowd of people in the hopes of hitting the person who punched you.

Don't get me wrong, I dont want to shove people back in the closet. Some people are just naturally attracted to the same sex, and I wouldn't want them to be unjustly ostracized from society just for that reason. They're deserving equal civility as anyone else.

But like damn, a lot of this shit is just so forced

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I agree, lets avoid it this time. To Vass, I Posted it and reedited it after Astoria quoted me, like usual.

GMS, I feel like your heart is in the right place - BUT, can you name 5 things that Trump did you didn't like? I feel like even great leaders are prone to occasionally fail our expectations in some way, and a reasonable person should be able to spot these failures. Only a psychophant or someone of unhealthy mental disposition could find another human without flaw. So, test yourself, can you name 5 times you disagreed with something Trump did?

GMS is completely ignorant of the truth and literally takes pride in that. You're not going to get through to the man.

His thinking boils down to:

Communism = bad
Democrats = Communists = Bad
Republicans = Opposing Democrats = Good
Trump = Republican = Good.

There is absolutely no point in engaging with him. I foe his puppets the second I see them, and people here should do the same.

[Vassenor]

I don't want to see drag queens everywhere just as much as everybody else whose aesthetic isn't "explosion at a sex shop at the end of the rainbow".

What's always important to remember though is the pushing of this as some kind of cultural zeitgeist has come from a relatively small amount of radical queer activists and then coopted by liberals who are looking to use it as a political wedge issue.

And the political reaction against it by the other side's cultural warriors and the ultimate policy upshot of vague "return to traditional values" stories tends to delve into things that have actual impacts on real people who have very little to do with all of this, such as attacking rights for ordinary homosexualists and trans people and creating panic narratives around them. These people generally don't own big media channels, don't really appreciate the woke liberal appropriation of their identity and just want to be left alone.

So yes, the constant "drag everywhere" bullshit is annoying but responding by supporting the platforms of these opportunist politicians who always go after the wrong targets is like responding to getting punched by driving a car through an entire crowd of people in the hopes of hitting the person who punched you.

Don't get me wrong, I dont want to shove people back in the closet. Some people are just naturally attracted to the same sex, and I wouldn't want them to be unjustly ostracized from society just for that reason. They're deserving equal civility as anyone else.

But like damn, a lot of this shit is just so forced

"But why did you make this character black/female/gay when they didn't need to be" is as much forcing an agenda as showing gay people in film is - it's showing that white, male and hetereosexual is the default and anything else is an aberation.