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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:23 am

Based Illinois wrote:
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OK so basically you’re upset about things that aren’t actually happening. Got it.


Im surprised you could read this post, what with your head that deep in the sand.


I’m not the one ranting about things that only exist in the imagination of Tucker Carlson.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:24 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Define “woke ideology” without resorting to weird buzzwords.


Atomization is a buzzword?

Attempting to separate individuals from all forms of traditional identity: family, community, sex, race, nationality, culture, history, religion, etc.

To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

Oh this should be good...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Haganham » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:25 am

Vassenor wrote:your

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/atomization

It's a perfectly croulent word.

I notice you're refusing to address your decision to interpret "corporations are exploiting people:" as "gay people shouldn't be discussed"

Oh, perhaps it is because it's something "only exist in the imagination of Tucker Carlson."
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:25 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
Atomization is a buzzword?

Attempting to separate individuals from all forms of traditional identity: family, community, sex, race, nationality, culture, history, religion, etc.

To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

Oh this should be good...


Yeah it’s probably going to involve stuff like “they taught the kids about the not-heroic parts of American history”.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:25 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Define “woke ideology” without resorting to weird buzzwords.


Atomization is a buzzword?

Attempting to separate individuals from all forms of traditional identity: family, community, sex, race, nationality, culture, history, religion, etc.

To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

We strongly agree.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:26 am

Haganham wrote:
Vassenor wrote:your

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/atomization

It's a perfectly croulent word.

I notice you're refusing to address your decision to interpret "corporations are exploiting people:" as "gay people shouldn't be discussed"


So what exploitation are we talking about here? Because last time I checked we were talking about the claims that Disney is pushing “woke ideology”.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:26 am

Haganham wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Define “woke ideology” without resorting to weird buzzwords.

atomization
[ at-uh-mahy-zey-shuhn, ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for atomization on Thesaurus.com
noun
the act or process of splitting into smaller parts, sections, groups, etc.; fragmentation or disintegration:
The atomization of society into isolated individuals, who find nothing above them but the all-powerful state, is largely a modern phenomenon.

Literally the example in the first definition.

Why did you think that they didn't know the definition of the word and not that just some bullshit slogan to replace another bullshit slogan in no way clarifies a fucking thing? Don't be this insecure, man.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:27 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
Atomization is a buzzword?

Attempting to separate individuals from all forms of traditional identity: family, community, sex, race, nationality, culture, history, religion, etc.

To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

We strongly agree.


Of course you do. It’s textbook GOP fearmongering about how society isn’t the same as it was in the 1950s and that needs to be stopped.
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Postby Based Illinois » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
Im surprised you could read this post, what with your head that deep in the sand.


I’m not the one ranting about things that only exist in the imagination of Tucker Carlson.


Sure bud

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:29 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I’m not the one ranting about things that only exist in the imagination of Tucker Carlson.


Sure bud


I mean you’ve not actually provided examples of any of those things happening and just demanded that we accept that they do.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:29 am

Jesus, it's like pulling taffy. Just get to the fucking point. Christ.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:30 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:We strongly agree.


Of course you do. It’s textbook GOP fearmongering about how society isn’t the same as it was in the 1950s and that needs to be stopped.

We need the old Time Family Values Back.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:31 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Of course you do. It’s textbook GOP fearmongering about how society isn’t the same as it was in the 1950s and that needs to be stopped.

We need the old Time Family Values Back.

Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?
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Postby Based Illinois » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:32 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
Atomization is a buzzword?

Attempting to separate individuals from all forms of traditional identity: family, community, sex, race, nationality, culture, history, religion, etc.

To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

We strongly agree.


We shouldn't wait for bad businesses to get to this point though. If a business is hurting a community with its malpractice, then it shouldn't be tolerated - regardless of whether its political or not. DeSantis hasn't realized that yet, and I think he's still kind of rising the free market train gang

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:34 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:We strongly agree.


We shouldn't wait for bad businesses to get to this point though. If a business is hurting a community with its malpractice, then it shouldn't be tolerated - regardless of whether its political or not. DeSantis hasn't realized that yet, and I think he's still kind of rising the free market train gang


So how does “some people are gay and that’s OK” harm the community?
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:38 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:We strongly agree.


We shouldn't wait for bad businesses to get to this point though. If a business is hurting a community with its malpractice, then it shouldn't be tolerated - regardless of whether its political or not. DeSantis hasn't realized that yet, and I think he's still kind of rising the free market train gang

He is. His antics "against" Disney gave them a tax break and he is supported by the standard GOP megadonors, so he is just as "free market" as Romney. Probably even more so, tbh.

His populism is as fake as Trump's.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:40 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:We need the old Time Family Values Back.

Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?

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Postby Based Illinois » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Based Illinois wrote:
Sure bud


I mean you’ve not actually provided examples of any of those things happening and just demanded that we accept that they do.


Well heres a Disney executive admitting to going out of her way to add as much queen content in her productions as possible

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:41 am

Since this is America, or rather, American politics, the chance of any intelligent discussion drops close to zero percent.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:42 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I mean you’ve not actually provided examples of any of those things happening and just demanded that we accept that they do.


Well heres a Disney executive admitting to going out of her way to add as much queen content in her productions as possible


Ah, so you’re upset that groups you don’t like are allowed to be shown on TV now.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:44 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Of course you do. It’s textbook GOP fearmongering about how society isn’t the same as it was in the 1950s and that needs to be stopped.

We need the old Time Family Values Back.


Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?
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Postby Based Illinois » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:46 am

Vassenor wrote:


Ah, so you’re upset that groups you don’t like are allowed to be shown on TV now.


Im upset that they've agenda behind their actions. Its not merely education, as you'd like to posit it, its an attempt at normalizing certain cultural practices.

Funny tho, you never seem to address any of my other more pressing points...

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:47 am

Based Illinois wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I mean you’ve not actually provided examples of any of those things happening and just demanded that we accept that they do.


Well heres a Disney executive admitting to going out of her way to add as much queen content in her productions as possible


Ok. What am I supposed to take from that?
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:47 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:We need the old Time Family Values Back.


Oh I have heard that claim a few times.

What does that mean exactly?

It means jack shit, and we both know that. Honestly, the "old times" wouldn't even tolerate a man like Trump nor the antics of the modern right, not that they care, as they're postmodern.

Trump supporters like to romanticize the 1950s, yet the 1950s wouldn't tolerate most of their boorish attitude towards politics or their profane clothing and signs.
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