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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:06 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:According to you and those who strongly agree with you. Not to me and those who strongly agree with me. Republican President Trump is a great and awesome President of the USA.[

Nobody agrees with you

He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:06 pm

Umeria wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Would rather not lose the election for a near zero chance of an inept, rather loony politician being able to fail in a different fashion from the previous one.

Williamson has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee than Biden, and a much better chance of implementing Medicare for All if elected.

Lol @ this post

Northern Seleucia wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Nobody agrees with you

He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.

I’m aware, I was just seeing how GMS would respond.

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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:08 pm

El Lazaro wrote:I’m aware, I was just seeing how GMS would respond.

I'm sure you are aware, but I just wanted to drop that comment.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:08 pm

Northern Seleucia wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Nobody agrees with you

He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.

More than likely the republicans will have a split vote in 2024, much like Taft and Teddy.

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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:10 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.

More than likely the republicans will have a split vote in 2024, much like Taft and Teddy.

Indeed, completely screwing anything and everything. It's gonna take forever to get rid of this influence.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:10 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.

More than likely the republicans will have a split vote in 2024, much like Taft and Teddy.


God, let's hope not.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:12 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:According to you and those who strongly agree with you. Not to me and those who strongly agree with me. Republican President Trump is a great and awesome President of the USA.[

Nobody agrees with you

GMS: Posted by El Lazaro: Nobody agrees with you, I know many Persons who strongly agree with me, they are not imaginary Persons as a certain Leftist who now has me on ignore for strongly disagreeing on Republican President Trump of the USA. I know you did not say this to me: The only Persons who agree with you are Imaginary Persons. I respectfully challenged him on his statement and he doubled down on it, and a few of his leftist friends defended his statement too me. Then he put me on ignore, while I don't put any Persons on ignore for strongly disagreeing with them on Trump, Cuba, CRT or any issues, or for any reasons of any kind. Lol, :) :rofl: This one is a classic. GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride and Honor.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:12 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Celritannia wrote:More than likely the republicans will have a split vote in 2024, much like Taft and Teddy.


God, let's hope not.

It all depends on the snowflake Trump faction.

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Postby Umeria » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:13 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Umeria wrote:Williamson has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee than Biden, and a much better chance of implementing Medicare for All if elected.

Lol @ this post

Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:14 pm

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
God, let's hope not.

It all depends on the snowflake Trump faction.

I turn 18 in November of this year, meaning in 2024 I can vote.

I'm telling you right now, if there's no split vote and Trump's the nominee, I will not be pleased.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:16 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:He's influence over the party is too strong, and his knuckleheads like MTG and Gaetz have gained far too much of a voice for their worth.

More than likely the republicans will have a split vote in 2024, much like Taft and Teddy.

If we’re going to make historical references, I’m calling the two factions the MAGAdōha and Santiseiha, and the victor will be resolved in the second January 6th incident because why not.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:18 pm

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
God, let's hope not.

It all depends on the snowflake Trump faction.

Lol, :) I GMS have been called a right wing nut job and a snowflake, evil and a Fascist Nazi, and anything and everything else you can think of and not think of, lol :) :rofl:. GMS with Pride and Honor.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:21 pm

Umeria wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Lol @ this post

Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

She couldn't even make it to the first primary last time around and Biden wasn't the sitting president? The whole 'speaking skills have declined considerably' prattle is just that. Can't take that shit seriously. It's just as goofball as diagnosing Trump was.

Maybe Biden won't have enough to win reelection but there's very little to indicate that this person would even beat him in the primary much less win in the general.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:22 pm

Umeria wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Lol @ this post

Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

My reasoning has already been explained, and I don’t feel like repeating myself. Nobody takes her seriously except for you. Biden is not a good option, but he is an option.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:25 pm

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
God, let's hope not.

It all depends on the snowflake Trump faction.


Presuming he doesn't win the primary.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:29 pm

Umeria wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Would rather not lose the election for a near zero chance of an inept, rather loony politician being able to fail in a different fashion from the previous one.

Williamson has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee than Biden, and a much better chance of implementing Medicare for All if elected.

Just to confirm my suspicion. A google search of "Williamson" does not even return her as a top result.

She doesn't have a chance.
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:30 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Umeria wrote:Williamson has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee than Biden, and a much better chance of implementing Medicare for All if elected.

Just to confirm my suspicion. A google search of "Williamson" does not even return her as a top result.

She doesn't have a chance.

I literally completely forgot that she also ran in 2020.
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Postby Umeria » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Umeria wrote:Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

She couldn't even make it to the first primary last time around and Biden wasn't the sitting president? The whole 'speaking skills have declined considerably' prattle is just that. Can't take that shit seriously. It's just as goofball as diagnosing Trump was.

Maybe Biden won't have enough to win reelection but there's very little to indicate that this person would even beat him in the primary much less win in the general.

Point was about chances in the general assuming primary victory. As for the primary, Sanders and Warren were in the race last time. If the progressive base shows up this time it will be fo Williamson. Now, will they show up? Given the state of the left it's honestly unlikely. But I might as well remain optimistic so as to avoid creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Postby Eahland » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:31 pm

Umeria wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Lol @ this post

Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

She's a lunatic.
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Postby Umeria » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:32 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Umeria wrote:Williamson has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee than Biden, and a much better chance of implementing Medicare for All if elected.

Just to confirm my suspicion. A google search of "Williamson" does not even return her as a top result.

She doesn't have a chance.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bush&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS808US812&oq=bush&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3.826j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Northern Seleucia
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:33 pm

Eahland wrote:
Umeria wrote:Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

She's a lunatic.

Between the two, I'd rather have Biden than Williamson tbh.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:34 pm

Umeria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:She couldn't even make it to the first primary last time around and Biden wasn't the sitting president? The whole 'speaking skills have declined considerably' prattle is just that. Can't take that shit seriously. It's just as goofball as diagnosing Trump was.

Maybe Biden won't have enough to win reelection but there's very little to indicate that this person would even beat him in the primary much less win in the general.

Point was about chances in the general assuming primary victory. As for the primary, Sanders and Warren were in the race last time. If the progressive base shows up this time it will be fo Williamson. Now, will they show up? Given the state of the left it's honestly unlikely. But I might as well remain optimistic so as to avoid creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Just because she represents a position left of Biden does not mean she can beat him. I’m probably left of Biden and would not win if I ran in the DNC primary.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:34 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Umeria wrote:Biden is unpopular and his public speaking skills have declined conisderably. Williamson advocates for popular policies and is well-spoken. What's your reasoning for dismissing her?

My reasoning has already been explained, and I don’t feel like repeating myself. Nobody takes her seriously except for you. Biden is not a good option, but he is an option.

El Lazaro, the Persons who take her seriously are my good old Leftist Friend Umeria and those who strongly agree with Umeria. They are Leftist Democrat American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor. They have a democratic right and Freedom of speech to strongly disagree with you and all Persons who strongly agree with you on Leftist Democrat Marianne Williamson. Its called Freedom of Speech and Democracy in America, the USA, which I strongly and respectfully Respect. GMS with Pride and Honor.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:35 pm

Umeria wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Just to confirm my suspicion. A google search of "Williamson" does not even return her as a top result.

She doesn't have a chance.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bush&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS808US812&oq=bush&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3.826j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

And?
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Umeria
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Postby Umeria » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:37 pm

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