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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:46 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Good look getting that in Alabama.


At this rate an infiltration of the Republican Party will be needed.

My good and best leftist Friend, you are exaggerating it, we believe in freedom and democracy, but we have different economic and political views.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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San Lumen
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Posts: 81272
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:46 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How do you propose to do this?


Find people who support Medicare Expansion (but keep it secret until the time is right ) get them to win as a Republican and then work from there.


And how are they going to get the nomination? You don't think this topic and others wouldn't come up in a primary?

What is the candidate going to say? I decline to answer.

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Port Caverton
Senator
 
Posts: 4082
Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:48 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How do you propose to do this?


Find people who support Medicare Expansion (but keep it secret until the time is right ) get them to win as a Republican and then work from there.

Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.
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Dekerin Domains
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Posts: 431
Founded: Aug 16, 2009
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Dekerin Domains » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:48 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
At this rate an infiltration of the Republican Party will be needed.

My good and best leftist Friend, you are exaggerating it, we believe in freedom and democracy, but we have different economic and political views.


While consistently resisting the lawful, peaceful transfer of power after a perfectly valid election?
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain
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The Rio Grande River Basin
Senator
 
Posts: 4359
Founded: Sep 14, 2022
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:49 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Find people who support Medicare Expansion (but keep it secret until the time is right ) get them to win as a Republican and then work from there.

Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Posts: 25030
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:50 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Find people who support Medicare Expansion (but keep it secret until the time is right ) get them to win as a Republican and then work from there.

Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.

conservatism in economics is fucking the planet (and us) raw lol...
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The Daughters of Gaia
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 03, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Daughters of Gaia » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:52 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Daughters of Gaia wrote:i don't even live in america, these are my two cents.

they broke the law by storming the capitol, no?
so why aren't they being prosecuted?

You just said you were a Democrat. You cannot even keep your narrative straight.

https://www.democratsabroad.org/

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Dekerin Domains
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Posts: 431
Founded: Aug 16, 2009
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Dekerin Domains » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:53 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.

conservatism in economics is fucking the planet (and us) raw lol...


My sentiments exactly. With only a few exceptions, I find conservatism to be harmful to the greater good.
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:55 am

Dekerin Domains wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:conservatism in economics is fucking the planet (and us) raw lol...


My sentiments exactly. With only a few exceptions, I find conservatism to be harmful to the greater good.

when one lurches violently to the right from the 80's onwards thanks to reagan and thatcher etc but it's ok the richest 50 bums now owns half the planet, isn't it great?

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The Daughters of Gaia
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Founded: Jul 03, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Daughters of Gaia » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:55 am

The Daughters of Gaia wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:You just said you were a Democrat. You cannot even keep your narrative straight.

https://www.democratsabroad.org/
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Daughters of Gaia wrote:i don't even live in america, these are my two cents.

they broke the law by storming the capitol, no?
so why aren't they being prosecuted?

You just said you were a Democrat. You cannot even keep your narrative straight.

my dad was a pilot in the us airforce base here in the uk.
my mom was a briton
Im a u.s citizen by virtue of my father being an american but i never step foot outside of the uk and just joined democrats abroad

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San Lumen
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Posts: 81272
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:57 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.

*phil Scott says hello


Someone like him can’t win in Alabama.

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Greater Miami Shores 3
Senator
 
Posts: 4564
Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:59 am

Dekerin Domains wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:My good and best leftist Friend, you are exaggerating it, we believe in freedom and democracy, but we have different economic and political views.


While consistently resisting the lawful, peaceful transfer of power after a perfectly valid election?

Here you go again, Republican President Ronald Reagan quote. Rinse and Repeat you guys do it too like you are doing it right now and I will do it right now: How many times do I. we and us have to explain it in details like I have many times, and we strongly disagree with your opinions on it. We are Proud, Pro USA, Pro America First, Pro Freedom and Democracy, American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor and so is Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA. Just Ask Me and Ask US? He strongly supports our Policies and we strongly support his Policies. We are not Cultists.Just Ask Me and Ask US? I know you did not call us Cultists, just saying it for the Post Record.
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I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 159079
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:08 am

Pangurstan wrote:It’s so joever
U.S. first lady Jill Biden gave one of the clearest indications yet that President Joe Biden will run for a second term, telling The Associated Press in an exclusive interview on Friday that there’s “pretty much” nothing left to do but figure out the time and place for the announcement.

Joe Biden retire bitch.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Terrible, terrible mistake on his part.

His only hope is that Trump wins the Republican primary.


Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
We have term limits they are called elections.


Oh Hi Lumen. Nice to see you still don't know what either of those words mean. Thanks for stopping by, do come again anytime.

He's right, though. If you have a problem with an elected official continuing to hold office then clearly what should happen is you vote them out. If it's hard to vote them out then the answer is making it easier for people to vote, making it easier for people to run, take money out of elections, allow for recall elections, shit like that. The answer isn't arbitrary limits on how long someone can stay in office. The limit on how long someone can stay in office should be how long their constituents want them in office.

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Delvian States
Diplomat
 
Posts: 521
Founded: Aug 03, 2013
Father Knows Best State

Postby Delvian States » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:09 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Dekerin Domains wrote:
While consistently resisting the lawful, peaceful transfer of power after a perfectly valid election?

Here you go again, Republican President Ronald Reagan quote. Rinse and Repeat you guys do it too like you are doing it right now and I will do it right now: How many times do I. we and us have to explain it in details like I have many times, and we strongly disagree with your opinions on it. We are Proud, Pro USA, Pro America First, Pro Freedom and Democracy, American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor and so is Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA. Just Ask Me and Ask US? He strongly supports our Policies and we strongly support his Policies. We are not Cultists.Just Ask Me and Ask US? I know you did not call us Cultists, just saying it for the Post Record.


This doesn't answer the point about January 6 and the Big Lie. No one acting in good faith supports the Big Lie.
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"Reflect, if you will, how you are to govern a people who think that they ought to be free and think that they are not. Your scheme yields no revenue. It yields nothing but discontent, disorder, and disobedience. And such is the state of America, that after wading up to your eyes in blood, you can only end just where you began....." - Edmund Burke

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Delvian States
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Posts: 521
Founded: Aug 03, 2013
Father Knows Best State

Postby Delvian States » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:11 am

Ifreann wrote:

Joe Biden retire bitch.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Terrible, terrible mistake on his part.

His only hope is that Trump wins the Republican primary.


Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Oh Hi Lumen. Nice to see you still don't know what either of those words mean. Thanks for stopping by, do come again anytime.

He's right, though. If you have a problem with an elected official continuing to hold office then clearly what should happen is you vote them out. If it's hard to vote them out then the answer is making it easier for people to vote, making it easier for people to run, take money out of elections, allow for recall elections, shit like that. The answer isn't arbitrary limits on how long someone can stay in office. The limit on how long someone can stay in office should be how long their constituents want them in office.


We need someone more like Bernie, but younger. At the risk of sounding ageist, there is a legitimate fear, produced by lengthy experience of senile Presidents, of septuagenarians and octogenarians in executive office.
Distributist, pagan, history buff, civil libertarian, mostly republican, but willing to accept some monarchy as well being a big King Charles III stan. You've been warned. I'm also very skeptical and critical of Fourth Wave feminism.
Delvian States is a confederal monarchy with autonomous principalities that often have their own laws. NS Policies aren't entirely reliable canon for that reason at least.
"Reflect, if you will, how you are to govern a people who think that they ought to be free and think that they are not. Your scheme yields no revenue. It yields nothing but discontent, disorder, and disobedience. And such is the state of America, that after wading up to your eyes in blood, you can only end just where you began....." - Edmund Burke

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Port Caverton
Senator
 
Posts: 4082
Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:22 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Nah bro. What we need is (R)s that are Moderate on social issues but still conservative in economics.

conservatism in economics is fucking the planet (and us) raw lol...

I know but that's how mainstream conservatives are in other countries
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Greater Miami Shores 3
Senator
 
Posts: 4564
Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:23 am

Delvian States wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Here you go again, Republican President Ronald Reagan quote. Rinse and Repeat you guys do it too like you are doing it right now and I will do it right now: How many times do I. we and us have to explain it in details like I have many times, and we strongly disagree with your opinions on it. We are Proud, Pro USA, Pro America First, Pro Freedom and Democracy, American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor and so is Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA. Just Ask Me and Ask US? He strongly supports our Policies and we strongly support his Policies. We are not Cultists.Just Ask Me and Ask US? I know you did not call us Cultists, just saying it for the Post Record.


This doesn't answer the point about January 6 and the Big Lie. No one acting in good faith supports the Big Lie.

Dude those are your opinions which you have the freedom of speech and democratic right to have and post it too me, GMS, US and all of US. The Big Lie to Me, GMS, US and Trump, is The Big Leftist Liberal Democrat Progressive Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media s anti Republicans anti Trump Lies. We have the same freedom of speech and democratic rights as the Proud, Pro USA, Pro America First, Pro Freedom and Democracy, American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor and so is Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA we Are. Just Ask Me and Ask US?

It works both ways, not just one way, it works both ways. In Politics everything works both ways, not just one way, it works both ways. This is a logical Political Fact.

I Rest My Case and our Case with Pride and Honor. GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride and Honor.
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I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Dimetrodon Empire
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Posts: 1706
Founded: Sep 21, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:26 am

The Daughters of Gaia wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:You just said you were a Democrat. You cannot even keep your narrative straight.

my dad was a pilot in the us airforce base here in the uk.
my mom was a briton
Im a u.s citizen by virtue of my father being an american but i never step foot outside of the uk and just joined democrats abroad

Alright, my apologies then.
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The Daughters of Gaia
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Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 03, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Daughters of Gaia » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Daughters of Gaia wrote:my dad was a pilot in the us airforce base here in the uk.
my mom was a briton
Im a u.s citizen by virtue of my father being an american but i never step foot outside of the uk and just joined democrats abroad

Alright, my apologies then.

its fine.
my dad was an f-15 pilot in lakenheath in the 1990s, and i was born at that time there. he's since passed away but thanks to his citizenship i can participate in politics in america

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The Jamesian Republic
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Posts: 13913
Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Find people who support Medicare Expansion (but keep it secret until the time is right ) get them to win as a Republican and then work from there.


And how are they going to get the nomination? You don't think this topic and others wouldn't come up in a primary?

What is the candidate going to say? I decline to answer.


They could just repeat the party line on that and then when they win they push for it.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:54 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
At this rate an infiltration of the Republican Party will be needed.

My good and best leftist Friend, you are exaggerating it, we believe in freedom and democracy, but we have different economic and political views.


And when a Republican suggests Medicare Expansion somebody will call them traitors and post their number on Twitter.

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Pangurstan
Diplomat
 
Posts: 554
Founded: Aug 20, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pangurstan » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:00 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:conservatism in economics is fucking the planet (and us) raw lol...

I know but that's how mainstream conservatives are in other countries

Conservatives in other countries generally support much larger social safety nets than American conservatives, while being much more socially conservative (moderate republicans support gay marriage, which is exclusively a left-wing position outside of western europe and the rest of the anglophone world)
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Luna Amore
Issues Moderator
 
Posts: 15021
Founded: Antiquity
Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Luna Amore » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
It probably doesn't help that he has little experience in road construction...


do you post dumb comments and takes just for giggles or are you truly this obtuse?

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The Black Forrest
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Posts: 55613
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:42 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
She spent most of her campaign complaining about Joe Biden but didn’t end the grocery tax which could be a form of relief.


Did she do anything of substance for the people?
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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:44 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
She spent most of her campaign complaining about Joe Biden but didn’t end the grocery tax which could be a form of relief.


Did she do anything of substance for the people?


A few things but they leave at this moment.

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