American Politics 16: After The Ballooning

[Corrian]

Just letting everyone know now, the next thread may be some time as per a TG I got a few days ago, the Mods are debating the future of megathreads like this.

Why would there even be a debate? They seem great?

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's a question that I wonder about...why don't some third parties focus heavily on races where there is no opposing major party candidate? Say, in Colorado, if you have a state House contest and the Democrat is running unopposed, why don't the Greens put their efforts into challenging that Democrat? Same with Libertarians in Republican-only districts or offices.

They do.

The presidential runs are for the 5% threshold that opens federal funding and ballot access. No 'third party' thinks they're going to win the presidency and they wouldn't know what to do with it if they did. It's all an artifact of how parties are funded.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Just letting everyone know now, the next thread may be some time as per a TG I got a few days ago, the Mods are debating the future of megathreads like this.

Why would there even be a debate? They seem great?

Megathreads combined with the shuttering of LWDT and RWDT caused a massive decline in both quality and quantity of discussion on NSG. For some topics they're fine (Christian megathread, Ukraine war, etc) but not every single topic needs one.

[Shrillland]

Just letting everyone know now, the next thread may be some time as per a TG I got a few days ago, the Mods are debating the future of megathreads like this.

Why would there even be a debate? They seem great?

It had to do more with them being continuations and endless rolling threads from what Farn told me. I was given the green light, just not to put a number on them anymore, and the same goes for most numbered threads with a few exceptions for ongoing events.

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's a question that I wonder about...why don't some third parties focus heavily on races where there is no opposing major party candidate? Say, in Colorado, if you have a state House contest and the Democrat is running unopposed, why don't the Greens put their efforts into challenging that Democrat? Same with Libertarians in Republican-only districts or offices.

Who knows? I personally think that the minor parties think that if they can just capture the White House - somehow - the country will sing hymns of thanksgiving and Congress will line up to offer support for any bill they might want to propose. I dunno.

No third party anywhere believes for a second they're going to win the presidency and they're not trying to. They're trying to get 5% in a national election that grants them ballot access and eligibility to federal funds. They actually contest much smaller seats. The Green Party currently holds 128 seats nationally.. The Libertarian Party have over 300.

[Dystopian Texas]

Who knows? I personally think that the minor parties think that if they can just capture the White House - somehow - the country will sing hymns of thanksgiving and Congress will line up to offer support for any bill they might want to propose. I dunno.

No third party anywhere believes for a second they're going to win the presidency and they're not trying to. They're trying to get 5% in a national election that grants them ballot access and eligibility to federal funds. They actually contest much smaller seats. The Green Party currently holds 128 seats nationally.. The Libertarian Party have over 300.

Sadly not discussed very much for some reason.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Here's a question that I wonder about...why don't some third parties focus heavily on races where there is no opposing major party candidate? Say, in Colorado, if you have a state House contest and the Democrat is running unopposed, why don't the Greens put their efforts into challenging that Democrat? Same with Libertarians in Republican-only districts or offices.

At one time or another there were more than two important political parties in American History, my good leftist friend James knows the details better than I do, I mean I would have to look them up, but James knows the details. So its the fault of the persons who say we need third parties, but don't vote for third parties.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Here's a question that I wonder about...why don't some third parties focus heavily on races where there is no opposing major party candidate? Say, in Colorado, if you have a state House contest and the Democrat is running unopposed, why don't the Greens put their efforts into challenging that Democrat? Same with Libertarians in Republican-only districts or offices.

At one time or another there were more than two important political parties in American History, my good leftist friend James knows the details better than I do, I mean I would have to look them up, but James knows the details. So its the fault of the persons who say we need third parties, but don't vote for third parties.

I just want to abolish First Past The Post…

[What is the world really]

Here's a question that I wonder about...why don't some third parties focus heavily on races where there is no opposing major party candidate? Say, in Colorado, if you have a state House contest and the Democrat is running unopposed, why don't the Greens put their efforts into challenging that Democrat? Same with Libertarians in Republican-only districts or offices.

They do.

The presidential runs are for the 5% threshold that opens federal funding and ballot access. No 'third party' thinks they're going to win the presidency and they wouldn't know what to do with it if they did. It's all an artifact of how parties are funded.

the stars aligned in 2016 for the libertarian party, and they didn't even get 4% of the vote.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

At one time or another there were more than two important political parties in American History, my good leftist friend James knows the details better than I do, I mean I would have to look them up, but James knows the details. So its the fault of the persons who say we need third parties, but don't vote for third parties.

I just want to abolish First Past The Post…

Dude that was your cue to to post about the details of third parties in American history, I know you know well, since you have posted it to me through our back and forth TGs, in a respectful manner. James strongly respects the democratic right and freedom of speech of all Persons to think differently, with Pride and Honor, like I GMS do.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I just want to abolish First Past The Post…

Dude that was your cue to to post about the details of third parties in American history, I know you know well, since you have posted it to me through our back and forth TGs, in a respectful manner. James strongly respects the democratic right and freedom of speech of all Persons to think differently, with Pride and Honor, like I GMS do.

No I didn’t. I don’t remember that.

[Dystopian Texas]

They do.

The presidential runs are for the 5% threshold that opens federal funding and ballot access. No 'third party' thinks they're going to win the presidency and they wouldn't know what to do with it if they did. It's all an artifact of how parties are funded.

the stars aligned in 2016 for the libertarian party, and they didn't even get 4% of the vote.

Gary Johnson wasn't exactly their best bet for the job. The Libertarian Party has a bad habit of nominating people who come across as ignorant, amateurish, and generally unfit for high office. Though he arguably would have done a better job than Trump at least.

[The Jamesian Republic]

the stars aligned in 2016 for the libertarian party, and they didn't even get 4% of the vote.

Gary Johnson wasn't exactly their best bet for the job. The Libertarian Party has a bad habit of nominating people who come across as ignorant, amateurish, and generally unfit for high office. Though he arguably would have done a better job than Trump at least.

I think if I was centrist instead of leftist I would probably like Bill Weld. (Although gun control is cringe)

[What is the world really]

the stars aligned in 2016 for the libertarian party, and they didn't even get 4% of the vote.

Gary Johnson wasn't exactly their best bet for the job. The Libertarian Party has a bad habit of nominating people who come across as ignorant, amateurish, and generally unfit for high office. Though he arguably would have done a better job than Trump at least.

He was their best, especially compared to the toaster license guy. And the guys who are now currently running the libertarian party.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Dude that was your cue to to post about the details of third parties in American history, I know you know well, since you have posted it to me through our back and forth TGs, in a respectful manner. James strongly respects the democratic right and freedom of speech of all Persons to think differently, with Pride and Honor, like I GMS do.

No I didn’t. I don’t remember that.

Yes, you did, like the third political parties in American history that you supported, you posted this to me on a TG. Also Ross Perot did pretty good nationally, granted he was a billionaire.

[The Jamesian Republic]

No I didn’t. I don’t remember that.

Yes, you did, like the third political parties in American history that you supported, you posted this to me on a TG. Also Ross Perot did pretty good nationally, granted he was a billionaire.

Oh that? That was just a list of people I would vote for in presidential elections throughout history. If I remember correctly out of all elections I would vote third party in:
1848,1852,1892,1912,1924,1980, and 1992.

[Fractalnavel]

Who knows? I personally think that the minor parties think that if they can just capture the White House - somehow - the country will sing hymns of thanksgiving and Congress will line up to offer support for any bill they might want to propose. I dunno.

No third party anywhere believes for a second they're going to win the presidency and they're not trying to. They're trying to get 5% in a national election that grants them ballot access and eligibility to federal funds. They actually contest much smaller seats. The Green Party currently holds 128 seats nationally.. The Libertarian Party have over 300.

So there is actually potential value in voting for non-R/D in national elections, beyond 'sending a message'. Good to know.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Yes, you did, like the third political parties in American history that you supported, you posted this to me on a TG. Also Ross Perot did pretty good nationally, granted he was a billionaire.

Oh that? That was just a list of people I would vote for in presidential elections throughout history. If I remember correctly out of all elections I would vote third party in:
1848,1852,1892,1912,1924,1980, and 1992.

and at one time or another you posted to me through the TGs the names of the third political parties and candidates you support.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Oh that? That was just a list of people I would vote for in presidential elections throughout history. If I remember correctly out of all elections I would vote third party in:
1848,1852,1892,1912,1924,1980, and 1992.

and at one time or another you posted to me through the TGs the names of the third political parties and candidates you support.

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

[Greene County Association]

and at one time or another you posted to me through the TGs the names of the third political parties and candidates you support.

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

Incidentally, Hale's daughter, Lucy, was once engaged (secretly) to John Wilkes Booth. Yes, that John Wilkes Booth.

[The Jamesian Republic]

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

Incidentally, Hale's daughter, Lucy, was once engaged (secretly) to John Wilkes Booth. Yes, that John Wilkes Booth.

That must have been interesting given the Free Soil Party was opposed to the expansion of slavery.

[Greene County Association]

Incidentally, Hale's daughter, Lucy, was once engaged (secretly) to John Wilkes Booth. Yes, that John Wilkes Booth.

That must have been interesting given the Free Soil Party was opposed to the expansion of slavery.

Probably the "bad boy" effect. Actors, after all, were somewhat infamous already as well as famous. It was a two-edged sword. Theater wasn't quite "respectable" in some circles in those days. Lincoln was attacked at times for attending it.

[What is the world really]

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

Incidentally, Hale's daughter, Lucy, was once engaged (secretly) to John Wilkes Booth. Yes, that John Wilkes Booth.

to be fair, I would marry an famous-ish actor.

[Narland]

and at one time or another you posted to me through the TGs the names of the third political parties and candidates you support.

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

That's a good list. I might have voted for Teddy Roosevelt but out of excitement, not really out of policy. The rest, not so much. Except for Reagan and Trump, all my presidential votes have been 3rd Party. In 1980 I got to be a Young Republican shadow elector (learned what an Elector actually does and doesn't do). Mr. Anderson was articulate and charming. I agreed with many aspects of his radical republicansim, but came to differing conclusions. I was sorry to hear of his passing. Being young and zealous, my support was for Reagan.

1992, 1996, and 2000 (US Taxpayer Party) -- Phillips. In 1992 I wanted to go with Perot (Reform Party), but when he doubled down on abortion on demand and his wife made it clear they didn't want the support of Pro-Lifers, I went with Howard Phillips. My former fiancée went with Bo Gritz. She got back at me by dragging me to one of his meetings, and wrangling the conversation to whom I voted for.
2004 (LIbertarian) -- Badnarik
2008 (American Independent Party) -- Keyes
2012 (Write-In) -- Ron Paul
2016 and 2020 (GOP) -- Trump

[The Jamesian Republic]

1848 - Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852 - John P. Hale (Free Soil)
1892 - James B. Weaver (Populist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1924 - Robert M. LaFollette (Progressive)
1980 - John B. Anderson (Independent)
1992 - Ross Perot (Reform)

That's a good list. I might have voted for Teddy Roosevelt but out of excitement, not really out of policy. Except for Reagan and Trump, all my presidential votes have been 3rd Party. In 1980 I got to be a Young Republican shadow elector (learned what an Elector actually does and doesn't do). Mr. Anderson was articulate and charming. I agreed with many aspects of his radical republicansim, but came to differing conclusions. I was sorry to hear of his passing. Being young and zealous, my support was for Reagan.

1992, 1996, and 2000 (US Taxpayer Party) -- Phillips. In 1992 I wanted to go with Perot (Reform Party), but when he doubled down on abortion on demand and his wife made it clear they didn't want the support of Pro-Lifers, I went with Howard Phillips. My former fiancée went with Bo Gritz. She got back at me by dragging me to one of his meetings, and wrangling the conversation to whom I voted for.
2004 (LIbertarian) -- Badnarik
2008 (American Independent Party) -- Keyes
2012 (Write-In) -- Ron Paul
2016 and 2020 (GOP) -- Trump

Anderson is sometimes called a Rockefeller Republican and I do have a soft spot for them.