Chicago school passes around sex toys to students

[Cannot think of a name]

Who said anything about pre-teens?

The person I’m replying to.

When?

[Vassenor]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Action Man is a doll (effectively) of a soldier who, like the majority of soldiers on duty in the world, carries a gun.

People fear guns because of their association with death which owning a cat will expose children to in a very real way, they bring you the corpses of mice they kill as a gift.

I know, my father owned, and owns, a cat.

So there’s a difference between exposing children to the concept of death or even killing and trying to sexualise them or expose them to sexually explicit forms of entertainment.

How?

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

Action Man is a doll (effectively) of a soldier who, like the majority of soldiers on duty in the world, carries a gun.

People fear guns because of their association with death which owning a cat will expose children to in a very real way, they bring you the corpses of mice they kill as a gift.

I know, my father owned, and owns, a cat.

So there’s a difference between exposing children to the concept of death or even killing and trying to sexualise them or expose them to sexually explicit forms of entertainment.

How?

One is something the children are ready for and doesn’t psychologically damage them.

My father owning a cat at 14 didn’t lead me to run around killing birds for fun. After all I was a vegetarian back then.

Similarly, playing with Action Man doesn’t mean I’m a murderous psychopath because I can distinguish between the honourable use of force I can vaguely recall Action Man using (against enemy combatants only and not if they surrendered) and the actions of Ted Bundy, the Burmese Tatmandaw or the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan.

A child can’t philosophise adequately on who they should marry, the rights and duties of spouses and how to consider their feelings.

[Vassenor]

How?

One is something the children are ready for and doesn’t psychologically damage them.

My father owning a cat at 14 didn’t lead me to run around killing birds for fun. After all I was a vegetarian back then.

Similarly, playing with Action Man doesn’t mean I’m a murderous psychopath because I can distinguish between the honourable use of force I can vaguely recall Action Man using (against enemy combatants only and not if they surrendered) and the actions of Ted Bundy, the Burmese Tatmandaw or the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan.

A child can’t philosophise adequately on who they should marry, the rights and duties of spouses and how to consider their feelings.

So how was I psychologically damaged by receiving sex Ed classes when I was 11?

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

One is something the children are ready for and doesn’t psychologically damage them.

My father owning a cat at 14 didn’t lead me to run around killing birds for fun. After all I was a vegetarian back then.

Similarly, playing with Action Man doesn’t mean I’m a murderous psychopath because I can distinguish between the honourable use of force I can vaguely recall Action Man using (against enemy combatants only and not if they surrendered) and the actions of Ted Bundy, the Burmese Tatmandaw or the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan.

A child can’t philosophise adequately on who they should marry, the rights and duties of spouses and how to consider their feelings.

So how was I psychologically damaged by receiving sex Ed classes when I was 11?

Well I wasn’t but did they hand you a butt-plug or a dildo?
Didn’t think so.

I don’t understand what function it serves.

If even your kid’s uncle was doing this you’d be freaked out so why is it ok for a school?

[Vassenor]

So how was I psychologically damaged by receiving sex Ed classes when I was 11?

Well I wasn’t but did they hand you a butt-plug or a dildo?
Didn’t think so.

I don’t understand what function it serves.

If even your kid’s uncle was doing this you’d be freaked out so why is it ok for a school?

And I don’t understand what function blindly believing something happened purely because Project Vertias told you it happened serves.

[Cannot think of a name]

So how was I psychologically damaged by receiving sex Ed classes when I was 11?

Well I wasn’t but did they hand you a butt-plug or a dildo?
Didn’t think so.

I don’t understand what function it serves.

If even your kid’s uncle was doing this you’d be freaked out so why is it ok for a school?

Ah I see the confusion. Because Vass talked about her sex ed classes taking place in the sixth grade you have made the herculean leap to this particular segment being taught in 6th grade.

Don't do that. It's dishonest.

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

Well I wasn’t but did they hand you a butt-plug or a dildo?
Didn’t think so.

I don’t understand what function it serves.

If even your kid’s uncle was doing this you’d be freaked out so why is it ok for a school?

Ah I see the confusion. Because Vass talked about her sex ed classes taking place in the sixth grade you have made the herculean leap to this particular segment being taught in 6th grade.

Don't do that. It's dishonest.

No. They used it was an example of why this is ok, indicating they viewed the two as equivalent.

I’m not opposed to sex education, categorically.
If all it consists of is telling post-pubescent kids:
“this is where babies come from.”, “if they say no it’s never ok.” and even “it’s normal for married couples to consensually do this.”

I’m objecting to the idea of pushing a certain agendas, especially by encouraging kids to do so sexual practices whilst they are kids.

I have younger cousins and if someone years older was telling/asking them to do specific things for unknown reasons I’d want them to swing for it, though I’m unsure about the prudence of capital punishment as a rational decision.

And I don’t understand what function blindly believing something happened purely because Project Vertias told you it happened serves.

I’m believing it because no one on here explicitly denied it.
A sample of every ideology known to woman.

[Vassenor]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

It doesn’t much for older kids, especially as they need to know these things 4 to 1 years later when they’re legally old enough to get married.

But you can explain to children about the dangers AIDS, syphilis and monkeypox, as well as how to avoid spreading them to your spouse, without giving them dildos and buttplugs.

I think 18 year olds knowing about condoms isn’t bad because not every married couple wants 15 kids.

[Des-Bal]

The US currently, as evidenced by Chicago, but at least in the Netherlands showing sex toys during sex ed is just a normal way to engage students with the topic.

It's hilarious that the same people who teach gun safety to their pre-teens think kids will be irrepably harmed by the mere presence of a butt plug.

Show me where in the Netherlands they're passing around butt plugs. I have heard of classes where students are taught to put condoms on with aid of a dildo in Netherlands. I have never heard of them passing around butt plugs, certainly not as a normal practice.

Your specific claim is that this totally normal in any country that isn't totally prudish and your sole points of evidence are the country where it's being discussed as a problem and an unsourced claim about the Netherlands

[Worldly Philosophers]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

They need those firearms so in a few years, at the ripe old age of 17 they can take up their fathers' proud traditions of trying to intimidate people out of voting, shooting up unguarded infrastructure that provides electricity to thousands, and attempting to forcibly install whatever Fuhrer the Party has chosen for them between now and 2024.

[Stellar Colonies]

My high school had us put condoms on wooden models in freshman year as part of an STI awareness unit.

In hindsight, it seems extremely tame by comparison to this, assuming it's even real.

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

My high school had us put condoms on wooden models in freshman year as part of an STI awareness unit.

In hindsight, it seems extremely tame by comparison to this.

I don’t object to that for 18 year olds.

I don’t even object to single women being allowed the contraceptive pill,
This is because I recognise it can reduce the number of abortions.

[Des-Bal]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

"You should pass dildos and butt plugs around to kids in school."
Please agree or disagree with this statement.

Answer or stop pretending your part of the conversation. You have no stance on the actual subject of the thread.

[Cannot think of a name]

Ah I see the confusion. Because Vass talked about her sex ed classes taking place in the sixth grade you have made the herculean leap to this particular segment being taught in 6th grade.

Don't do that. It's dishonest.

No. They used it was an example of why this is ok, indicating they viewed the two as equivalent.

I’m not opposed to sex education, categorically.
If all it consists of is telling post-pubescent kids:
“this is where babies come from.”, “if they say no it’s never ok.” and even “it’s normal for married couples to consensually do this.”

I’m objecting to the idea of pushing a certain agendas, especially by encouraging kids to do so sexual practices whilst they are kids.

I have younger cousins and if someone years older was telling/asking them to do specific things for unknown reasons I’d want them to swing for it, though I’m unsure about the prudence of capital punishment as a rational decision.

Nevermind that you're basing the 'what happened' on the report of literally the most dishonest organization posing as news possible, you're extrapolating and equivocating all over the place.

Oh and champ, here's the thing...your prescribed sex education? Dripping with agenda. Just because it's your agenda doesn't mean it doesn't have one.

Also the intellectual dishonesty of trying to compare teachers teaching in a teaching environment to 'random adult' explaining butt plugs is fucking ridiculous and transparent.

You're leaning heavily on trying to evoke an emotional response by mischaracterizing Vass' argument and the already misrepresented issue presented in the fake ass report. (and make no mistake, if Project Veritas is doing the reporting, it's fucking fake. I'd sooner look to the Onion than believe a word Project Veritas says)

And this is before I try and unravel the weird Action Man thing where apparently exposing kids to GI Joe (I'm not looking up Action Man, I'm just going to assume it's some dumbass internet shit) doesn't make you shooty but apparently teaching people safe practices is tantamount to creating their Only Fans channel.

Just because Vass had her sex education in sixth grade doesn't mean that the whole segment would be taught then. I got my sex ed in 8th grade but reproductive health was a subject that was reviewed and added to throughout my time in high school as I acquired a better understanding of how the body functions.

Try this. Step back. Quit trying to evoke an emotional response so you can try and shame people into agreeing with your amorphous premise and then come back at it keeping claims consistent without making huge fucking leaps. You're not going to, but I thought I'd give you the opportunity to step your game up.

[Portzania]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

I don't think anyone is arguing against reproductive health and safety education, the problem is that the school was using SEX TOYS, when it could have easily been explained in a much more appropriate way.

Also, firearm education should also be mandatory.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The US currently, as evidenced by Chicago, but at least in the Netherlands showing sex toys during sex ed is just a normal way to engage students with the topic.

It's hilarious that the same people who teach gun safety to their pre-teens think kids will be irrepably harmed by the mere presence of a butt plug.

Show me where in the Netherlands they're passing around butt plugs. I have heard of classes where students are taught to put condoms on with aid of a dildo in Netherlands. I have never heard of them passing around butt plugs, certainly not as a normal practice.

Your specific claim is that this totally normal in any country that isn't totally prudish and your sole points of evidence are the country where it's being discussed as a problem and an unsourced claim about the Netherlands

If you wanna come here and attend a sex ed class... The thing about something being normalised is that, by definition, it is not news. My source is my own experience as a high schooler in the Netherlands.

Shockingly, you not having heard of a specific part of Dutch high school sex education is not really evidence, is it?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

"You should pass dildos and butt plugs around to kids in school."
Please agree or disagree with this statement.

Answer or stop pretending your part of the conversation. You have no stance on the actual subject of the thread.

Is this really the subject of the thread though rather than whether this even happened? We have no indication that this true and the fact that Project Veritas produced it would suggest it's not.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

I don't think anyone is arguing against reproductive health and safety education, the problem is that the school was using SEX TOYS, when it could have easily been explained in a much more appropriate way.

Except we still don't know if the school even was because, again, this is a claim made by Project Veritas.

[Des-Bal]

Is this really the subject of the thread though rather than whether this even happened? We have no indication that this true and the fact that Project Veritas produced it would suggest it's not.

Yes. I have expressed my doubts about the source and been very clear about what portions bother me and what portions don't. When you want to make your sole point of focus ranting about the evil anti sex conservatives clutching their pearls about literally anything having to do with sexual education refusing to take a stand on the conduct they're actually objecting to is dishonest and cowardly. It's a bullshit deflection.

[The Fantasy tech Caliphate]

No. They used it was an example of why this is ok, indicating they viewed the two as equivalent.

I’m not opposed to sex education, categorically.
If all it consists of is telling post-pubescent kids:
“this is where babies come from.”, “if they say no it’s never ok.” and even “it’s normal for married couples to consensually do this.”

I’m objecting to the idea of pushing a certain agendas, especially by encouraging kids to do so sexual practices whilst they are kids.

I have younger cousins and if someone years older was telling/asking them to do specific things for unknown reasons I’d want them to swing for it, though I’m unsure about the prudence of capital punishment as a rational decision.

Nevermind that you're basing the 'what happened' on the report of literally the most dishonest organization posing as news possible, you're extrapolating and equivocating all over the place.

Oh and champ, here's the thing...your prescribed sex education? Dripping with agenda. Just because it's your agenda doesn't mean it doesn't have one.

Also the intellectual dishonesty of trying to compare teachers teaching in a teaching environment to 'random adult' explaining butt plugs is fucking ridiculous and transparent.

You're leaning heavily on trying to evoke an emotional response by mischaracterizing Vass' argument and the already misrepresented issue presented in the fake ass report. (and make no mistake, if Project Veritas is doing the reporting, it's fucking fake. I'd sooner look to the Onion than believe a word Project Veritas says)

And this is before I try and unravel the weird Action Man thing where apparently exposing kids to GI Joe (I'm not looking up Action Man, I'm just going to assume it's some dumbass internet shit) doesn't make you shooty but apparently teaching people safe practices is tantamount to creating their Only Fans channel.

Just because Vass had her sex education in sixth grade doesn't mean that the whole segment would be taught then. I got my sex ed in 8th grade but reproductive health was a subject that was reviewed and added to throughout my time in high school as I acquired a better understanding of how the body functions.

Try this. Step back. Quit trying to evoke an emotional response so you can try and shame people into agreeing with your amorphous premise and then come back at it keeping claims consistent without making huge fucking leaps. You're not going to, but I thought I'd give you the opportunity to step your game up.

Oh and champ, here's the thing...your prescribed sex education? Dripping with agenda. Just because it's your agenda doesn't mean it doesn't have one.

I never said I object to all agendas being pushed only certain agendas,
For example I’m unashamed I’d push an anti-rape agenda as soon as the young are capable of such.

Also the intellectual dishonesty of trying to compare teachers teaching in a teaching environment to 'random adult' explaining butt plugs is fucking ridiculous and transparent

I don’t think I ever said it would only be wrong if either a random adult or a teacher did it.

I specifically questioned whether someone would be ok with the uncle of their children doing this and an uncle is not a “random adult”, for example if a child’s parents die, the preference is generally for extended family to adopt them, not a random adult and not even their teacher.

[Des-Bal]

If you wanna come here and attend a sex ed class... The thing about something being normalised is that, by definition, it is not news. My source is my own experience as a high schooler in the Netherlands.

Shockingly, you not having heard of a specific part of Dutch high school sex education is not really evidence, is it?

Yeah that's why there is no documented evidence of anything normal happening.

I did some research actually, that's why I specifically referenced condoms being applied to dildos because where I found accounts from normal people who attended classes in the Netherlands that was something that came up. Nobody mentioned "also they handed out buttplugs."

Also I don't care about your personal experience. One of my sex ed teachers choked a kid- it wasn't fucking normal.

[Vassenor]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

It doesn’t much for older kids, especially as they need to know these things 4 to 1 years later when they’re legally old enough to get married.

But you can explain to children about the dangers AIDS, syphilis and monkeypox, as well as how to avoid spreading them to your spouse, without giving them dildos and buttplugs.

I think 18 year olds knowing about condoms isn’t bad because not every married couple wants 15 kids.

And I am still waiting for evidence those things happened that isn’t a Project Veritas video.

[Vassenor]

So let’s re-assess the original question before it got buried under hyperbole and deflection: how does education about reproductive health and safety differ so much from education about safe and responsible use of firearms that it makes one acceptable for children and one not?

I don't think anyone is arguing against reproductive health and safety education, the problem is that the school was using SEX TOYS, when it could have easily been explained in a much more appropriate way.

Also, firearm education should also be mandatory.

So do you have evidence that’s what happened that isn’t just a Project Veritas video?