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Thermodolia wrote:

Dogmeat wrote:"extremist Reichsbürger"

Hard to take them seriously when they sound like a Wendy's special.

It’s basically the equivalent of a “sovereign citizen” in the US

My understanding of this is that they are neo-nazis LARPing as monarchists LARPing as Sovereign citizens.

Nora Xent wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:It’s basically the equivalent of a “sovereign citizen” in the US

My understanding of this is that they are neo-nazis LARPing as monarchists LARPing as Sovereign citizens.

it's, uh, complicated.

I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine in that it is from 1920s or before.

Saiwania wrote:Objectively speaking, should Germany's present government be overthrown? I would say yes, the nation hasn't done well under them. Reopening coal power plants because they thought solar and wind to be more capable than nuclear? Letting the worst sort of immigration to occur?

It is too much indignity to bear. But unfortunately, it isn't currently a given that any replacement government will prove as capable or competent.

....you want to overthrow the German government because they opened coal power plants???

The Orson Empire wrote:

Saiwania wrote:Objectively speaking, should Germany's present government be overthrown? I would say yes, the nation hasn't done well under them. Reopening coal power plants because they thought solar and wind to be more capable than nuclear? Letting the worst sort of immigration to occur?

It is too much indignity to bear. But unfortunately, it isn't currently a given that any replacement government will prove as capable or competent.

....you want to overthrow the German government because they opened coal power plants???

Gotta make it look like the whole thing isn't about them letting the scary brown people onto the white clay.

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine is that it is from 1920s or before.

Saiwania zeroing in on the important issues.

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine is that it is from 1920s or before.

Are you under the impression that anyone here will sympathise with your inability to get Nazi memorabilia and help you out?

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine is that it is from 1920s or before.

...what does that have to do at all with the planned attack and subsequent arrests?

Oh, a former AfD Bundetag member was part of it. That's got to be embarrassing for them.

Platoon of Peace wrote:...what does that have to do at all with the planned attack and subsequent arrests?

If they bothered to produce any originally designed uniforms, now would be the best time to record and preserve that if any examples exist. I do love complete sets for any prominent group in history that didn't fail at the beginning stage. Sadly, I don't think the coup plotters were on that level.

The hunt for an RFB uniform, is perhaps as worthy as the search for the Blutfahne, as far as keeping someone occupied goes.

The Holy Therns wrote:Oh, a former AfD Bundetag member was part of it. That's got to be embarrassing for them.

Restoring the monarchy certainly would be an alternative for Germany.

Saiwania wrote:

Platoon of Peace wrote:...what does that have to do at all with the planned attack and subsequent arrests?

If they bothered to produce any originally designed uniforms, now would be the best time to record and preserve that if any examples exist. I do love complete sets for any prominent group in history that didn't fail at the beginning stage. Sadly, I don't think the coup plotters were on that level.

The hunt for an RBF uniform, is perhaps as worthy as the search for the Blutfahne, as far as keeping someone occupied goes.

No. Fascists and wannabe-insurrectionists don't deserve to have their shit memorialized.

Nora Xent wrote:

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Is this Heinrich XIII even in the line of succession to the former German throne?

He's not even a Hohenzollern, he is from the House of Reuss, which owned about half a rhode island in the german empire.

And apparently, he's wouldn't be in line for the throne, as he is the second cousin of the guy who is. So even if the monarchy didn't die during WW1 he still would be a nobody!

Ifreann wrote:

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine is that it is from 1920s or before.

Are you under the impression that anyone here will sympathise with your inability to get Nazi memorabilia and help you out?

Does Sai know that he would be labeled "arbeitsscheu", put in a concentration camp and would be wearing a black triangle if he lived in Nazi Germany?

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine in that it is from 1920s or before.

a coup was averted and one of your first thoughts was "gee, I wonder if they had synchronized t-shirts!"

Comrades arrested and brought to a speedy trial
And it appears... they'll be locked for a while...

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine in that it is from 1920s or before.

a coup was averted and one of your first thoughts was "gee, I wonder if they had synchronized t-shirts!"

Least neo-nazi response from Saiwania

Portzania wrote:

Sordhau wrote:
I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.

No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

Sordhau wrote:

Portzania wrote:
You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.

No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

There's options other than talking to them or killing them. Like, imprisoning them, like what happened here.
Not necessarily saying I support that, but it's a sensible third option.

Sordhau wrote:
No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

I am going to take your advice and not debate you on this, but the hypocrisy in your post is painful to say the least.

Resistance to fascism is essential in safeguarding a healthy society, but blanket-attacking something which tends to be so vaguely defined with something as fundamentally immoral like the death penalty seems risky.

Figuring out the source (“capitalism” no doubt) is probably also a good approach instead of just bludgeoning the symptoms.

Beric wrote:

Sordhau wrote:
No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

I am going to take your advice and not debate you on this, but the hypocrisy in your post is painful to say the least.

Any pain you feel has nothing to do with Sordhau's post

Probably just a migraine

They make pills for that

Sordhau wrote:

Nora Xent wrote:Honestly if they didn't get arrested and actually tried to overthrow the government, they probably would have been gunned down by federal troops. So this is the best outcome.

...No, Fascist insurrectionists being gunned down by federal troops is definitely the better outcome.

I’m guessing the Germans are familiar enough with what happened last time to not make Ms. Hitler Lite or that guy named after a Chilean hat the chancellor in a coalition agreement, so plotting is literally the only thing they can do. There’s no reason to let them try unless you have some kind of fetish for killing peace officers and innocent civilians.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

Saiwania wrote:I've been thinking, everyone knows of the notoreity and legacy of the uniforms of the Nazi era SS and SA in Germany. But during the Weimar Republic period, there were supposedly a lot of paramilitaries. Did the NSDAP's political rivals- the Roter Frontkämpferbund have any official uniforms of their own? If so, have any examples of such survived to the present day?

Seeing as how they lost out, I'm thinking a genuine article is even harder to find than any of the Nazi clothing. I'd consider it an acceptable compromise if I could acquire a replica that is faithful to original design, but made with new cloth/current textiles but not genuine in that it is from 1920s or before.

a coup was averted and one of your first thoughts was "gee, I wonder if they had synchronized t-shirts!"

Hot take: Nazis didn’t have, and never will have, drip.

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:

Sordhau wrote:
No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

There's options other than talking to them or killing them. Like, imprisoning them, like what happened here.
Not necessarily saying I support that, but it's a sensible third option.

Because that really stopped Hitler, huh?

Beric wrote:

Sordhau wrote:
No, actually. Killing Fascists does in fact solve the problem. This was established during WWII.

The "martyr" excuse has always been a bullshit justification for ignoring the problem. You can't debate people who fetishize mass slaughter of whole segments of the population. You can't use facts to defeat an ideology the survives on lies. Suppressing Fascism requires force. This has proven to be the only consistently reliable avenue to the destruction of Fascism.

I am going to take your advice and not debate you on this, but the hypocrisy in your post is painful to say the least.

It's not hypocrisy.

I don't dream of death camps where innocent people who shuffled into gas chambers and dumped in mass graves because their skull was the wrong size. Rather, I want to stop the people who do dream of those things because they're fucking evil. That you've chosen to side with them is very telling of where you stand on the matter.

Stellar Colonies wrote:Resistance to fascism is essential in safeguarding a healthy society, but blanket-attacking something which tends to be so vaguely defined with something as fundamentally immoral like the death penalty seems risky.

Figuring out the source (“capitalism” no doubt) is probably also a good approach instead of just bludgeoning the symptoms.

Capitalism is part of the problem, yes. Sapping the energy, hope, and will to live of working people leaves them disillusioned with the system; so they turn to more radical alternatives. On a good day they become Leftists and come to understand why exactly their life sucks and how the system is responsible. On a bad day a racist tells them that Jews, blacks, Feminists, Communists, and gays are making them miserable and are the "real" problem that needs to be dealt with.

Given the loss of vigor among the Left following the dissolution of the USSR, decades of anti-Communist suppression by Capitalist regimes, and the delusional copium spouted by modern Marxist-Leninists it's not a surprise that more people are turning to Fascism instead to express their frustration with the Capitalism system and all it's wrought.