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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:53 am

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The North Polish Union wrote:Interesting that this happens right after Scholz declared his intent to expand Germany's military and said that "Germans are intent on becoming the guarantor of European security"

Let's note that the Reuters article in the OP notes that several of those arrested were active service and reservists for the "Bundeswehr's KSK elite force, which has been overhauled in recent years due to a number of far-right incidents."

Germany attempting to more fully remilitarize while their military elite forces are overrun by political extremism? Who could have expected it!?

I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to the Germans guaranteeing European security. They have such a good past and former record of doing it well.


Yes, yes, Germany always evil because Nazis, we get it. Can you watch some other nonsense on History Channel for a change? Like Ancient Aliens? That's at least funny.

I don't have any problem with Germany itself I just don't want them trying to guarantee European security. Its even worse that this is happening when their elite forces harbor extremist elements that would overthrow the government. I don't exactly like that Japan is remilitarizing either FWIW.
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Postby The Selkie » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am

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Ifreann wrote:To punish you for seeking to undermine the Basic Law of Germany we are going to ignore the Basic Law of Germany.


I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.


What I'm reading is:
    "Fascists need to be punished, so let's ignore the German Grundgesetz/Constitution/Basic Law/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, the very thing designed after WW2 and the experience of National Socialism so that never again, Nazis or their successors could come to power. Let's shoot them all and create a bunch of martyrs, because that sounds like a good idea!"
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Postby Kerwa » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:03 am

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Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Is this Heinrich XIII even in the line of succession to the former German throne?

He's not even a Hohenzollern, he is from the House of Reuss, which owned about half a rhode island in the german empire.



Owning half a Rhode Island would be pretty cool though. (Just not Rhode Island). I can see why he wants it back.

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Postby The Selkie » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:03 am

The North Polish Union wrote:I don't have any problem with Germany itself I just don't want them trying to guarantee European security. Its even worse that this is happening when their elite forces harbor extremist elements that would overthrow the government. I don't exactly like that Japan is remilitarizing either FWIW.


Then who should guarantee security in Europe? France? Which can't even keep its fucking lights on? The UK? The US? Andorra? The Pope? Please, do enlighten us with your wisdom, who should take a leading position in the security of the democratic parts of Europe?
As for extremists in the military... a little study for you to read. Show me the military without any extremists in their ranks, no matter their colours, and I'll laugh.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:19 am

I wasn't expecting to wake up to a German Qanon plot to restore the Kaiserreich, but good on Germany for being on top of it.
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Postby German Empire 1914 RP » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:22 am

Rusozak wrote:I wasn't expecting to wake up to a German Qanon plot to restore the Kaiserreich, but good on Germany for being on top of it.

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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:22 am

The civilian authorities which oversee militaries are more often than not- a bunch of weenies who don't undergo the same work conditions and training. If they play as hard as they fight, we just have to maybe accept that political extremism is just apart of that.

Why should the rank and file of a military back a government which deprives it of funds and prestige?
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Postby Portzania » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:31 am

Sordhau wrote:
Ifreann wrote:To punish you for seeking to undermine the Basic Law of Germany we are going to ignore the Basic Law of Germany.


I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.


You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.
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Postby Nora Xent » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:34 am

Saiwania wrote:The civilian authorities which oversee militaries are more often than not- a bunch of weenies who don't undergo the same work conditions and training. If they play as hard as they fight, we just have to maybe accept that political extremism is just apart of that.

Why should the rank and file of a military back a government which deprives it of funds and prestige?

there is far-right political extremism in the german military, but not enough for them to organize a coup or overthrow of the government.

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Postby France WW1 RP » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:37 am

Gonna give my opinion quickly here, its probably good that they were arrested.

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Postby Beric » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:38 am

It wasn't that long ago that France had a similar scandal amongst its generals (not a planned coup I know). Europe as a whole would do well to review its policies instead of calling people fascists and continuing as they have been for years. It is clearly creating a unstable situation. 25 today were caught. How many were missed and what are they going to do but go deeper underground until they resurface stronger.
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:40 am

Saiwania wrote:The civilian authorities which oversee militaries are more often than not- a bunch of weenies who don't undergo the same work conditions and training. If they play as hard as they fight, we just have to maybe accept that political extremism is just apart of that.

Why should the rank and file of a military back a government which deprives it of funds and prestige?

Jesus christ, you treat everything like it's the 14th century.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:47 am

Portzania wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.


You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.


Try talking the fash out of doing their shit then. See how that goes for you.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:13 am

Portzania wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
I don't care about the Basic Law of Germany. I care about keeping Fascism in the dustbin of history where it belongs.


You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.


I will also add that the definition of fascist is so damn broad that social democrats are considered "fascists"
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:16 am

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A good case to haul them out before a firing squad, actually!

Respectfully, I think a better alternative is to strip away the right to hold public office for such people.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:16 am

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You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.


I will also add that the definition of fascist is so damn broad that social democrats are considered "fascists"
That is only by a certain subset of people who live mentally in the 1920's, and who have yet to receive party orders to update to the 30's.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:17 am

Saiwania wrote:The civilian authorities which oversee militaries are more often than not- a bunch of weenies who don't undergo the same work conditions and training.

The fuck would you know about either end of this equation?
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:19 am

monarchism is the greatest crime in the history of the world, the windsors, the wilhelms, the russian tsars, they are the original incarnation of the bavarian illuminati that was created by the monarchs to hijack republicanism and paint their rule with a friendly face, the ancient bloodlines are experts at manipulating public opinion and installing cult worship over them, they now know that brave patriots worldwide are fighting back against the bastions of cultural annihilation and forceful assimilation of the NWO that has taken over and ruined western civilization and they are trying to paint themselves as victims of the corrupt establishment, all patriots must see through their lies and know that the monarchs are evil people that want to bring back familial oppression and hoard patriots' money for themselves, instead we must rely on a charismatic outsider that was a direct victim of the evils of both neoliberalism and their family ancestors the victims of monarchism, for this is the greatest chance we have at destroying the NWO, both the old one and the new one
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:19 am

monarchism is the greatest crime in the history of the world, the windsors, the wilhelms, the russian tsars, they are the original incarnation of the bavarian illuminati that was created by the monarchs to hijack republicanism and paint their rule with a friendly face, the ancient bloodlines are experts at manipulating public opinion and installing cult worship over them, they now know that brave patriots worldwide are fighting back against the bastions of cultural annihilation and forceful assimilation of the NWO that has taken over and ruined western civilization and they are trying to paint themselves as victims of the corrupt establishment, all patriots must see through their lies and know that the monarchs are evil people that want to bring back familial oppression and hoard patriots' money for themselves, instead we must rely on a charismatic outsider that was a direct victim of the evils of both neoliberalism and their family ancestors the victims of monarchism, for this is the greatest chance we have at destroying the NWO, both the old one and the new one
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:22 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:monarchism is the greatest crime in the history of the world, the windsors, the wilhelms, the russian tsars, they are the original incarnation of the bavarian illuminati that was created by the monarchs to hijack republicanism and paint their rule with a friendly face, the ancient bloodlines are experts at manipulating public opinion and installing cult worship over them, they now know that brave patriots worldwide are fighting back against the bastions of cultural annihilation and forceful assimilation of the NWO that has taken over and ruined western civilization and they are trying to paint themselves as victims of the corrupt establishment, all patriots must see through their lies and know that the monarchs are evil people that want to bring back familial oppression and hoard patriots' money for themselves, instead we must rely on a charismatic outsider that was a direct victim of the evils of both neoliberalism and their family ancestors the victims of monarchism, for this is the greatest chance we have at destroying the NWO, both the old one and the new one


I am confused - are you condemning the coup plotters because they desire to bring monarchy back - or supporting them because they oppose "the NWO" ?
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:25 am

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Portzania wrote:
You're ignoring the problem here, killing fascists doesn't solve the problem, you only create martyrs and more extremists that way.


I will also add that the definition of fascist is so damn broad that social democrats are considered "fascists"

By like, 3 people at most.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:28 am

Bewaffnete Krafte wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
I will also add that the definition of fascist is so damn broad that social democrats are considered "fascists"

By like, 3 people at most.


Yes and no. The whole "nazis were socialists" meme thing is pretty popular amongst the less educated.
Sadly there are slightly more than 3 of those.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:monarchism is the greatest crime in the history of the world, the windsors, the wilhelms, the russian tsars, they are the original incarnation of the bavarian illuminati that was created by the monarchs to hijack republicanism and paint their rule with a friendly face, the ancient bloodlines are experts at manipulating public opinion and installing cult worship over them, they now know that brave patriots worldwide are fighting back against the bastions of cultural annihilation and forceful assimilation of the NWO that has taken over and ruined western civilization and they are trying to paint themselves as victims of the corrupt establishment, all patriots must see through their lies and know that the monarchs are evil people that want to bring back familial oppression and hoard patriots' money for themselves, instead we must rely on a charismatic outsider that was a direct victim of the evils of both neoliberalism and their family ancestors the victims of monarchism, for this is the greatest chance we have at destroying the NWO, both the old one and the new one


I am confused - are you condemning the coup plotters because they desire to bring monarchy back - or supporting them because they oppose "the NWO" ?

they were misguided patriots
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Postby Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza » Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:31 am

If the Kapp Putsch was the tragedy and the Munich Beer Hall Putsch was the farce, what does that make this? The bad modern remake?
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